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Old April 16th 15, 08:14 PM posted to sci.astro,sci.physics.electromag,sci.math,sci.philosophy.meta
James Redford
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Default Quantum Nonlocality Does Not Exist

For the journal paper with this post's eponymous title, see:

Frank J. Tipler, "Quantum nonlocality does not exist", Proceedings of
the National Academy of Sciences of the United States of America, Vol.
111, No. 31 (Aug. 5, 2014), pp. 11281-11286,
doi:10.1073/pnas.1324238111,
http://www.pnas.org/content/111/31/11281.full.pdf ,
https://wayback.archive.org/web/2015...11281.full.pdf
, http://www.webcitation.org/6WeupHQoM ,
http://www.pdf-archive.com/2014/08/0...er-11281-6.pdf
,
http://megalodon.jp/2014-0807-1142-1...er-11281-6.pdf
..

What physicist and mathematician Prof. Frank J. Tipler's foregoing
paper demonstrates is that a large portion of the physics community
has falsely and unthinkingly assumed that experimental confirmations
of quantum entanglement meant that nonlocality is real. Tipler's said
paper shows that that assumption doesn't follow, and it is invaluable
in clearing away the miasma of befuddled thinking that has long lain
over the physics community regarding this subject.

Moreover, if one accepts the validity of General Relativity (which has
been confirmed by every experiment to date), then nonlocality does not
exist, since the speed of light is the fastest anything can travel,
and therefore the multiverse of the Many-Worlds Interpretation
logically must exist (i.e., due to the reason given in Prof. Tipler's
above paper: that experiments of quantum entanglement actually involve
three measurements within the multiverse rather than two measurements
within a single universe).

The assumption that General Relativity does not apply to quantum
entanglement is an invalid presupposition which came from assuming
that quantum entanglement necessarily had to have a nonlocal
explanation, and hence experiments confirming quantum entanglement
were erroneously taken to confirm that General Relativity is not valid
when applied to such quantum mechanical phenomena. Since this
assumption of nonlocality is a non sequitur, this means that there has
never been any experimental evidence that anything travels faster than
the speed of light.

Given that there has never been any empirical evidence for
superluminal-speed phenomena, unless and until such time as said
experimental evidence should be forthcoming, then there exists no
rational reason to believe that the speed-restriction imposed by
General Relativity can be violated (not counting the always-known
mathematical exception of when energies become infinite).

Therefore, when the speed-restriction required by General Relativity
is taken into account, what this further means is that the multiverse
of the Many-Worlds Interpretation is experimentally confirmed to exist
in doing quantum entanglement experiments.

And the existence of the multiverse can be experimentally confirmed in
other ways: see Frank J. Tipler, "Testing Many-Worlds Quantum Theory
By Measuring Pattern Convergence Rates", arXiv:0809.4422, Sept. 25,
2008, http://arxiv.org/abs/0809.4422 ; and Frank Tipler,
"Experimentally Testing the Mulitverse/Many-Worlds Theory", American
Astronomical Society 224th Meeting, June 1-5, 2014, #304.01 (June 4),
bibcode: 2014AAS...22430401T,
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2014AAS...22430401T .

Further, if Quantum Mechanics is true, then the multiverse's existence
follows as a mathematically-unavoidable consequence. For the details,
see Frank J. Tipler, The Physics of Immortality: Modern Cosmology, God
and the Resurrection of the Dead (New York, NY: Doubleday, 1994), pp.
483-488.

*****

Prof. Tipler's above PNAS paper is based on:

Frank J. Tipler, "Does Quantum Nonlocality Exist? Bell's Theorem and
the Many-Worlds Interpretation", arXiv:quant-ph/0003146, Mar. 30,
2000, http://arxiv.org/abs/quant-ph/0003146 .

Which in turn is based upon:

Frank J. Tipler, "Quantum Nonlocality Does Not Exist: Bell's Theorem
and the Many-Worlds Interpretation", 3rd draft, Feb. 13, 1998; PS,
396121 bytes, MD5: c61e88935bf21bfc02d632bb931f3b73,
ftp://bach.math.tulane.edu/pub/tipler/tipler.ps ,
http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc...=10.1.1.48.268 ,
http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc...p=rep1&type=ps
,
https://wayback.archive.org/web/2015...p=rep1&type=ps
, http://www.webcitation.org/69fnybAIK ,
http://megalodon.jp/2015-0416-0220-0...p=rep1&type=ps
..

The proof that nonlocality is obviated in the Many-Worlds
Interpretation is apparently original to Prof. Tipler, even though it
has long been thought that such is the case. Regarding this matter,
Tipler writes in his aforecited PNAS paper, p. 1:

""
I outlined the arguments in an earlier paper (6). Everett was the
first to suggest (ref. 3, p. 149) that nonlocality would disappear in
the MWI, but this paper is to my knowledge the first to prove what
Everett claimed.
""

Wherein "(6)" is Frank J. Tipler, "Nonlocality as Evidence for a
Multiverse Cosmology", Modern Physics Letters A, Vol. 27, No. 4 (Feb.
10, 2012), Art. No. 1250019, 6 pp., doi:10.1142/S0217732312500198,
bibcode: 2012MPLA...2750019T, http://www.webcitation.org/6F9YgJKkD ;
which is based on id., "Nonlocality as Evidence for a Multiverse
Cosmology", arXiv:1008.2764, Aug. 16, 2010,
http://arxiv.org/abs/1008.2764 .

And wherein "ref. 3" is the reprint of Hugh Everett III, "'Relative
State' Formulation of Quantum Mechanics", Reviews of Modern Physics,
Vol. 29, No. 3 (July-Sept. 1957), pp. 454-462,
doi:10.1103/RevModPhys.29.454, contained in pp. 141-149 of Bryce S.
DeWitt and Neill Graham (Eds.), The Many-Worlds Interpretation of
Quantum Mechanics (Princeton, NJ: Princeton University Press, 1973).
Everett's passage on p. 149 of the reprint that Prof. Tipler refers to
is the following:

""
Consider the case where the states of two object systems are
correlated, but where the two systems do not interact. Let one
observer perform a specified observation on the first system, then let
another observer perform an observation on the second system, and
finally let the first observer repeat his observation. Then it is
found that the first observer always gets the same result both times,
and the observation by the second observer has no effect whatsoever on
the outcome of the first's observations. Fictitious paradoxes like
that of Einstein, Podolsky, and Rosen which are concerned with such
correlated, noninteracting systems are easily investigated and
clarified in the present scheme.
""

*****

In addition to Prof. Tipler's above-cited work in demonstrating that
the multiverse is a requirement of the known physical laws, Tipler has
shown that the known laws of physics (viz., the Second Law of
Thermodynamics, General Relativity, and Quantum Mechanics)
mathematically require that sapient life take control over all matter
in the universe, for said life to eventually force the collapse of the
universe, and for the computational resources of the universe (in
terms of both processor speed and memory space) to diverge to infinity
as the universe collapses into a final singularity, termed the Omega
Point. Said Omega Point cosmology is also an intrinsic component of
the Feynman-DeWitt-Weinberg quantum gravity/Standard Model Theory of
Everything (TOE) correctly describing and unifying all the forces in
physics, of which TOE is itself mathematically forced by the aforesaid
known physical laws. The Omega Point cosmology has been published and
extensively peer-reviewed in leading physics journals.

Interestingly, the Omega Point final singularity has all the unique
properties (quiddities) claimed for God in the traditional religions.

For much more on this, see my following article, which also addresses
the societal implications of the Omega Point cosmology:

James Redford, "The Physics of God and the Quantum Gravity Theory of
Everything", Social Science Research Network (SSRN), Sept. 10, 2012
(orig. pub. Dec. 19, 2011), 186 pp., doi:10.2139/ssrn.1974708; PDF,
1741424 bytes, MD5: 8f7b21ee1e236fc2fbb22b4ee4bbd4cb,
http://ssrn.com/abstract=1974708 ,
https://archive.org/details/ThePhysi...OfEveryth ing
, http://theophysics.host56.com/Redfor...ics-of-God.pdf ,
https://alphaomegapoint.files.wordpr...ics-of-god.pdf
,
http://sites.google.com/site/physico...ics-of-God.pdf
..

Additionally, in the below resource are six sections which contain
very informative videos of Prof. Tipler explaining the Omega Point
cosmology and the Feynman-DeWitt-Weinberg quantum gravity/Standard
Model TOE. The seventh section therein contains an audio interview of
Tipler. I also provide some helpful notes and commentary for some of
these videos.

James Redford, "Video of Profs. Frank Tipler and Lawrence Krauss's
Debate at Caltech: Can Physics Prove God and Christianity?",
alt.sci.astro, Message-ID:
, July 30, 2013,
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!to...ro/KQWt4KcpMVo ,
http://archive.today/a04w9 , http://webcitation.org/6IUTAMEyS . The
plain text of this post is available at: TXT, 42423 bytes, MD5:
b199e867e42d54b2b8bf6adcb4127761, http://ge.tt/3lOTVbp ,
http://webcitation.org/6WGd90MBa , http://archive.today/cVRmc .

----------------------------------------

James Redford, author of "Jesus Is an Anarchist", Social Science
Research Network (SSRN), Dec. 4, 2011 (orig. pub. Dec. 19, 2001),
doi:10.2139/ssrn.1337761, http://ssrn.com/abstract=1337761 ,
http://theophysics.host56.com/anarchist-jesus.pdf ,
http://webcitation.org/66AIz2rJw

Theophysics: God Is the Ultimate Physicist (a website with information
on Prof. Frank J. Tipler's Omega Point Theorem and the quantum gravity
Theory of Everything [TOE]), http://theophysics.host56.com ,
http://theophysics.freevar.com
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Old April 16th 15, 09:43 PM posted to sci.astro,sci.physics.electromag,sci.math,sci.philosophy.meta
Jos Bergervoet
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Default Quantum Nonlocality Does Not Exist

On 4/16/2015 9:14 PM, James Redford wrote:
...
...
What physicist and mathematician Prof. Frank J. Tipler's foregoing
paper demonstrates is that a large portion of the physics community
has falsely and unthinkingly assumed that experimental confirmations
of quantum entanglement meant that nonlocality is real.


Why do you think a large portion assumes so?! The standard
model of physics is purely built on local quantum field theory.
....
...
and therefore the multiverse of the Many-Worlds Interpretation
logically must exist


It is more like a non-interpretation. Many-worlds takes
quantum mechanics for real, the interpretations try to
somehow bring it back to classical physics. They (the
interpretations) try to get rid of the superposition of
different situations which each have nonzero amplitude.

Some interpretations use the "collapse" idea to make all
but one component vanish. Other interpretations are using
"probability amplitude" instead of amplitude, a suggestive
wording to express the believe that even with many non-
zero amplitudes, there is still just one component of
the superposition which is the true one.

Many-worlds makes no such attempt. It simply accepts the
Schroedinger evolution of the quantum state and if this
state turns out to describe different situations in a
superposition, then so be it. In my view this means it is
not an interpretation (which is one of its merits).

--
Jos
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Old April 17th 15, 05:44 AM posted to sci.astro,sci.physics.electromag,sci.math,sci.philosophy.meta
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Default Quantum Nonlocality Does Not Exist

In , on 04/16/2015
at 03:14 PM, James Redford said:

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Your nonsense has nothing to do with Mathematics or with
Electromagnetism.

Moreover, if one accepts the validity of General Relativity (which
has been confirmed by every experiment to date), then nonlocality
does not exist, since the speed of light is the fastest anything
can travel,


That is a common misconception, but the fact is that nothing in either
SR or GR precludes the existence of tachyons.

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Old April 18th 15, 12:19 AM posted to sci.astro,sci.philosophy.meta
James Redford
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Default Quantum Nonlocality Does Not Exist

On Fri, 17 Apr 2015 00:44:22 -0400, Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
wrote:

In , on 04/16/2015
at 03:14 PM, James Redford said:

Newsgroups:
sci.astro,sci.physics.electromag,sci.math,sci.ph ilosophy.meta


Your nonsense has nothing to do with Mathematics or with
Electromagnetism.

Moreover, if one accepts the validity of General Relativity (which
has been confirmed by every experiment to date), then nonlocality
does not exist, since the speed of light is the fastest anything
can travel,


That is a common misconception, but the fact is that nothing in either
SR or GR precludes the existence of tachyons.


Hi, Seymour J. Metz.

The assumption that General Relativity does not apply to quantum
entanglement is an invalid presupposition which came from assuming
that quantum entanglement necessarily had to have a nonlocal
explanation, and hence experiments confirming quantum entanglement
were erroneously taken to confirm that General Relativity is not valid
when applied to such quantum mechanical phenomena. Since this
assumption of nonlocality is a non sequitur, this means that there has
never been any experimental evidence that anything travels faster than
the speed of light.

Given that there has never been any empirical evidence for
superluminal-speed phenomena, unless and until such time as said
experimental evidence should be forthcoming, then there exists no
rational reason to believe that the speed-restriction imposed by
General Relativity can be violated (not counting the always-known
mathematical exception of when energies become infinite).

Therefore, when the speed-restriction required by General Relativity
is taken into account, what this further means is that the multiverse
of the Many-Worlds Interpretation is experimentally confirmed to exist
in doing quantum entanglement experiments.

For more on this, see the following Proceedings of the National
Academy of Sciences paper:

Frank J. Tipler, "Quantum nonlocality does not exist", Proceedings of
the National Academy of Sciences of the United States of America, Vol.
111, No. 31 (Aug. 5, 2014), pp. 11281-11286,
doi:10.1073/pnas.1324238111,
http://www.pnas.org/content/111/31/11281.full.pdf ,
https://wayback.archive.org/web/2015...11281.full.pdf
, http://www.webcitation.org/6WeupHQoM ,
http://www.pdf-archive.com/2014/08/0...er-11281-6.pdf
,
http://megalodon.jp/2014-0807-1142-1...er-11281-6.pdf
..

----------------------------------------

James Redford, author of "Jesus Is an Anarchist", Social Science
Research Network (SSRN), Dec. 4, 2011 (orig. pub. Dec. 19, 2001),
doi:10.2139/ssrn.1337761, http://ssrn.com/abstract=1337761 ,
http://theophysics.host56.com/anarchist-jesus.pdf ,
http://webcitation.org/66AIz2rJw

Theophysics: God Is the Ultimate Physicist (a website with information
on Prof. Frank J. Tipler's Omega Point Theorem and the quantum gravity
Theory of Everything [TOE]), http://theophysics.host56.com ,
http://theophysics.freevar.com
 




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