Brad Guth's Credentials

tomcat wrote:
Brad, as I once mentioned, the Astronauts on the Moon are not going to
dance around the uranium mine in the nude. You don't do that on Alien
Planets, Planetoids, and Moons.

Those Astronauts will be protected by their spacesuits, by their
vehicles, by their habitats, and deep underground tunnels, rooms, and
quarters. They might even bring some radiation protecting Beta Lights
with them too.
Those moonsuits in places represented as little as 0.5 g/cm2 worth of
shielding mass, and that's much less than a tenth of an inch of
aluminum, and otherwise at best being worth 1 g/cm2 or 0.156" of
aluminum. That's not going to buy your DNA frail butt more than 1.5%
reduction in hard-X-rays and perhaps not a 0.15% reduction in gamma. I
suppose wearing a lead cup might bring their testicles into the realm
of having as much a 5 g/cm2 worth of shield that's worth a good 12%
reduction from hard-X-rays and perhaps worth another good 1% reduction
in gamma.

As I've informed you that I hadn't previously said anything that was
close to 13 rads/hr, at least not as pertaining space travels external
to the magnetosphere, whereas if our physically dark and nasty moon is
not evolved and you've headed yourself away from our sun, it should
become much less than that amount of dosage unless your butt is getting
nailed by a bad solar/cosmic event, in which case it really doesn't
matter how low the average dosage level is because, from a singular bad
event you are either dead or soon going to become dead unless you've
got one hell of a massive spacecraft protecting your frail DNA. Having
an extremely well shielded cash of your sub-frozen bone marrow and a
few of those spare stem-cells available might save the day, whereas
otherwise don't plan upon coming home unless you're in a body-bag.

I had actually said many times that the Van Allen belt environment that
can offer an average of 23 rads/hr while shielded by 2g/cm2 (that's
roughly 5/16" worth of 5086 aluminum) is derived from a sufficiently
hard-science matter of fact, and as such is less TBI worthy than being
situated on the gamma and hard-X-ray moon of ours while using that same
2 g/cm2 worth of shielding, and that's only recently become a matter of
scientific fact because our moon having been recorded as being much
worse off than what the well known bad parts of our Van Allen expanse
has to offer. Therefore, I wouldn't expect a moonsuit dosage of
anything less than 50 rads/hr if it's a relatively passive solar day,
and otherwise we're talking several hundreds of rads/hr if it's a
somewhat more active solar day, with a truly bad solar day offering
several thousands of rads/hr that have frequently gone entirely off
scale upon having saturated the various detection instruments we've got
situated external to our magnetosphere's Van Allen expanse. However,
if our sun goes into a nearly passive mode is also when the most lethal
dosage of cosmic influx gets through. So, if you are out and about as
moonsuit walking on that physically dark and nasty moon of ours, you
are sort of in a no-win situation, especially getting double-IR and
unavoidably gamma plus extra X-ray TBI dosage worthy by day.

While on the moon, unless you're situated within a very small diameter
but otherwise deep crater, you're unavoidably surrounded by at least a
km radius of absolutely nasty badlands, therefore count on 3.14e6 m2
worth of whatever's locally radioactive and otherwise being unavoidably
reactive to the cosmic and solar influx as being of contributing
factors to the demise of your frail DNA. Since there's supposedly such
a slight amount of surface atmosphere to work with, that's regardless
still unfortunately capable of being nicely reactive (especially
reactive if there's heavy elements such a Rn222 are available), and
thereby affording hardly any measurable attenuation of whatever is
coming off each and every square meter of that naked moon, whereas such
each m2 doesn't actually have to represent all that much individual
gamma and hard-X-ray dosage. A few local millirads/m2/hr times 3.14e6
and your DNA is going to be seriously fried from all directions, as
well as from the inside out as that local and whatever influx gamma
interacts with the bone and bone marrow of your own body. And, since
it's of an environment that's no longer representing itself as a given
point source of radiation, but that of a surrounding terrain of
radioactive and otherwise unavoidably reactive badlands, as such
there's nothing much you can do to save your soul, other than getting
the hell out of there as soon as possible or going deep underground,
because it's simply not practical much less affordable or even
technically as of yet doable to deliver a necessary amount of suitable
shield material to that moon of ours, that is without such an effort
creating yet another delivery impact crater.

Of course, if we had the efficient 'tomcat' VTOL spaceplane with it's
nifty million pound payload capability, as such we could obviously go
to/from that nasty sucker of a moon as often as we'd like and as
quickly as perhaps managing such within 7 day round trips, spending as
little as an hour on the earthshine illuminated deck where the local
reactive environment is getting least impacted by the solar influx. Of
course, just having to nearby orbit that nasty moon of ours in simply
not going to represent a safe margin of crew and passender safety,
fudge factor or that of any measurable attenuation factor from being
fully exposed to that nasty lunar surface that's more than a wee bit
radioactive as well as remaining unavoidably reactive for as far as
that spaceplane can see, whereas we are talking about a 600 km or
better radius, of at least getting nailed by 1.13e12 m2 of exposure,
that which the extremely large but otherwise relatively low density
spaceplane has to contend with. Thus how much shield mass and/or
volume of whatever's similar to water is that of our 'tomcat'
spaceplane planning upon accommodating for benefiting that of the crew
and passenders, or is having a one-way ticket to ride and certain death
their one and only viable option?

Venus on the other hand offers whatever DNA considerably less of the
nasty solar and cosmic influx as getting through to that geothermally
toasty surface environment, therefore at least the likes of such lethal
cosmic and solar radiation that's seriously bad for one's DNA is simply
less than right here on mother Earth.
-
Brad Guth

Brad Guth wrote:
tomcat wrote:
Brad, as I once mentioned, the Astronauts on the Moon are not going to
dance around the uranium mine in the nude. You don't do that on Alien
Planets, Planetoids, and Moons.

Those Astronauts will be protected by their spacesuits, by their
vehicles, by their habitats, and deep underground tunnels, rooms, and
quarters. They might even bring some radiation protecting Beta Lights
with them too.
Those moonsuits in places represented as little as 0.5 g/cm2 worth of
shielding mass, and that's much less than a tenth of an inch of
aluminum, and otherwise at best being worth 1 g/cm2 or 0.156" of
aluminum. That's not going to buy your DNA frail butt more than 1.5%
reduction in hard-X-rays and perhaps not a 0.15% reduction in gamma. I
suppose wearing a lead cup might bring their testicles into the realm
of having as much a 5 g/cm2 worth of shield that's worth a good 12%
reduction from hard-X-rays and perhaps worth another good 1% reduction
in gamma.

As I've informed you that I hadn't previously said anything that was
close to 13 rads/hr, at least not as pertaining space travels external
to the magnetosphere, whereas if our physically dark and nasty moon is
not evolved and you've headed yourself away from our sun, it should
become much less than that amount of dosage unless your butt is getting
nailed by a bad solar/cosmic event, in which case it really doesn't
matter how low the average dosage level is because, from a singular bad
event you are either dead or soon going to become dead unless you've
got one hell of a massive spacecraft protecting your frail DNA. Having
an extremely well shielded cash of your sub-frozen bone marrow and a
few of those spare stem-cells available might save the day, whereas
otherwise don't plan upon coming home unless you're in a body-bag.

I had actually said many times that the Van Allen belt environment that
can offer an average of 23 rads/hr while shielded by 2g/cm2 (that's
roughly 5/16" worth of 5086 aluminum) is derived from a sufficiently
hard-science matter of fact, and as such is less TBI worthy than being
situated on the gamma and hard-X-ray moon of ours while using that same
2 g/cm2 worth of shielding, and that's only recently become a matter of
scientific fact because our moon having been recorded as being much
worse off than what the well known bad parts of our Van Allen expanse
has to offer. Therefore, I wouldn't expect a moonsuit dosage of
anything less than 50 rads/hr if it's a relatively passive solar day,
and otherwise we're talking several hundreds of rads/hr if it's a
somewhat more active solar day, with a truly bad solar day offering
several thousands of rads/hr that have frequently gone entirely off
scale upon having saturated the various detection instruments we've got
situated external to our magnetosphere's Van Allen expanse. However,
if our sun goes into a nearly passive mode is also when the most lethal
dosage of cosmic influx gets through. So, if you are out and about as
moonsuit walking on that physically dark and nasty moon of ours, you
are sort of in a no-win situation, especially getting double-IR and
unavoidably gamma plus extra X-ray TBI dosage worthy by day.

While on the moon, unless you're situated within a very small diameter
but otherwise deep crater, you're unavoidably surrounded by at least a
km radius of absolutely nasty badlands, therefore count on 3.14e6 m2
worth of whatever's locally radioactive and otherwise being unavoidably
reactive to the cosmic and solar influx as being of contributing
factors to the demise of your frail DNA. Since there's supposedly such
a slight amount of surface atmosphere to work with, that's regardless
still unfortunately capable of being nicely reactive (especially
reactive if there's heavy elements such a Rn222 are available), and
thereby affording hardly any measurable attenuation of whatever is
coming off each and every square meter of that naked moon, whereas such
each m2 doesn't actually have to represent all that much individual
gamma and hard-X-ray dosage. A few local millirads/m2/hr times 3.14e6
and your DNA is going to be seriously fried from all directions, as
well as from the inside out as that local and whatever influx gamma
interacts with the bone and bone marrow of your own body. And, since
it's of an environment that's no longer representing itself as a given
point source of radiation, but that of a surrounding terrain of
radioactive and otherwise unavoidably reactive badlands, as such
there's nothing much you can do to save your soul, other than getting
the hell out of there as soon as possible or going deep underground,
because it's simply not practical much less affordable or even
technically as of yet doable to deliver a necessary amount of suitable
shield material to that moon of ours, that is without such an effort
creating yet another delivery impact crater.

Of course, if we had the efficient 'tomcat' VTOL spaceplane with it's
nifty million pound payload capability, as such we could obviously go
to/from that nasty sucker of a moon as often as we'd like and as
quickly as perhaps managing such within 7 day round trips, spending as
little as an hour on the earthshine illuminated deck where the local
reactive environment is getting least impacted by the solar influx. Of
course, just having to nearby orbit that nasty moon of ours in simply
not going to represent a safe margin of crew and passender safety,
fudge factor or that of any measurable attenuation factor from being
fully exposed to that nasty lunar surface that's more than a wee bit
radioactive as well as remaining unavoidably reactive for as far as
that spaceplane can see, whereas we are talking about a 600 km or
better radius, of at least getting nailed by 1.13e12 m2 of exposure,
that which the extremely large but otherwise relatively low density
spaceplane has to contend with. Thus how much shield mass and/or
volume of whatever's similar to water is that of our 'tomcat'
spaceplane planning upon accommodating for benefiting that of the crew
and passenders, or is having a one-way ticket to ride and certain death
their one and only viable option?

Venus on the other hand offers whatever DNA considerably less of the
nasty solar and cosmic influx as getting through to that geothermally
toasty surface environment, therefore at least the likes of such lethal
cosmic and solar radiation that's seriously bad for one's DNA is simply
less than right here on mother Earth.
-
Brad Guth




I really think NASA got hold of some top notch, and probably
classified, radiation blocking material(s) which they used but told no
one about. The Apollo Program had America's highest priority. That
would get the 'stuff' from the Army or wherever.

We now know about polyethelene. The Army has a derivative that is even
better. How long they have had it is unknown -- possibily decades.
And, I am still curious about those 13 rad/hr panels and radiation
blocking Beta Lights.


tomcat

wrote:
Look, there's a difference between science and faith and
pseudo-science. Science is what you can do in a lab, like the
experiment I recounted for you in detail. Faith is something you know
from some source beyond experiment. Pesudo-science is just lies trying
to justify one's faith by picking an choosing what you want from
science, and then just making **** up and say its real. Pseudo-science
is bad religion and bad science- the worst of both. Pseudo-science
undermines faith to the extent the ill-informed and illogical believe
the bull****. Pseudo-science undermines scientific advance. As Joe
Campbell was fond of saying, the hero task of this age is to have a
religious insight that is scientifically defensible and bring science
and faith together in a new age of enlightenment. This hasn't happened
yet, and it won't happen if we cave in to the pseudo-scientific
bull**** out there.

The problem I have with tomass' commentary is that he implies the
double slit experiment cares about whether we look at it or not - in a
conventional sense. WRONG! He implies that the experiment tells us
there's scientific evidence that the universe cares about what we
think. WRONG! He implies that the experiment shows that WE control
the universe with our minds. WRONG!


What William is doing now is called a 'Strawman Argument'. It is a
fallacy. In it he states that tomcat imparts feelings to those tricky
little photons. False. He further states that tomcat imparts feelings
to the universe. False. Then, he states that tomcat holds that people
can control the universe with our minds.

I have never stated that either myself or just anyone can control the
universe. I stated the facts that 'remote viewing 'and 'psychic
phenomena' are real. I further stated that the USAF has attempted to
get funding to study 'psychic teleportation'. These are all facts.

If so much as a single case can be verified that someone's mind altered
our physical world, then the point that it is possible that the mind
can do these things is established. This is what tomcat said, not
"that the experiment shows that WE control the universe with our
minds." In fact, I doubt that William Mook controls anything with his
.. . . 'mind'.



Now, we may indeed be able to effect experiments with our conventional
observations of them, the universe may care about our feelings and we
may be able to some day concoct experiments to demonstrate this, and we
may actually be able to choose the path through the many potential
pathways in our life by thinking alone and we may be able to
demonstrate this somehow someday. The problem is the double slit
experiment in all its variations, including the very interesting
experiments done by Japanese researchers in the 1960s involving
electrons, doesn't do any of these things. It suggests that our
understanding of mundane reality is deeply flawed. That's about it.
And that's the best thing we can say.


Yes, William Mook's understanding of mundane reality is deeply flawed.
I agree. "That's about it." Again complete agreement. "And that's
the best thing we can say." I am in total and absolute agreement.


Why do we not say more - as scientists? Because if we say more we're
not doing science. If we assert things that are not true, we undermine
the potential we have created. If we say we know more than we do, if
we lie like that, then we block the ability to learn. We must first
say what we do not know, before we can even hope to learn more.
Guthball and tomass don't do that. They assert all sorts of things
without evidence because it feels good. It they said clearly what
they were doing, I would have no problem with them. But when they say
its science, and all the other bull**** they say, it irritates me. It
irritates me enough to call them on it.

"We must first say what we do not know, before we can even hope to
learn more. Guthball and tomass don't do that. They assert all sorts
of things without evidence because it feels good."

William Mook has asserted that "Guthball and tomass" don't say what
they don't know and that they "assert all sorts of things without
evidence because it feels good."


William Mook asserted this wouldn't admit that he doesn't know what
Brad Guth and tomcat know, or don't know for that matter. And,
furthermore, he purports this to be a fact but provides no evidence
whatsoever. And, I'll bet that he said this because it made him,
William Mook, feel good.


Finally, I want to say what I believe. I believe there are three
levels of reality accessible to human understanding. The first is the
physical world. Everyday mundane reality. The world of our senses.
The world we have evolved in and operate with every day. The second is
the quantum world. This is the world of the very small - beyond our
direct experience, but accessible with experiment. Then, there is the
psychological world. The world created by our thoughts and feelings
and deeper mental capacity, which some might call spiritual.


William needs to be reminded that his 'beliefs' are unimportant by his
own expressed convictions. So why does he state them? What follows is
an analysis, of sorts, but is totally unfounded. No evidence is
presented whatsoever.


It sounds a little like Air, Earth, Fire, and Water to me. He then
adds: very small, beyond direct experience, psychological world,
thoughts, feelings, mental, and spiritual. He provides no evidence
whatsoever for any of these assertions. Some of William's vaporous
thoughts I would guess. He needs to stick to science.


The physical world is a side effect of the operation of the quantum
world. The mental world is a side effect of the operation of the
physical world - as I've described. This much science can find reason
for.

Where's the evidence? Mook holds that consciousness or mind pops up
from matter. He sees it as a little butterfly in a steel mill. There
is no evidence for this, however. He needs to tell us where the steel
mill is so that we can hunt for the butterfly. It must be caught,
photographed, DNA tested, examined, and psychanalyzed. This, however,
has not been done as of this writing.


As an article of faith, not of science (yet), one may argue that it is
very satisfying to believe the quantum world is a side effect of the
mental world. Closing the loop so to speak. And, it may be that
non-local effects which correlated particles are capable of, may one
day show us how this works. Maybe not. But the correlated events of
the double slit experiment is suggestive ONLY.

William Mook has left a lot unsaid here. There has been a lot of water
over the dam since the Double Slit Experiment. This experiment dates
to the beginning of the 20th Century.


Larry Dossey, is very much into metaphysics, and a very honest
individual, says that nonlocal events have three important qualities
that distinguish them from the physical world: They are correlated and
this correlation is unmediated, unmitigated, and immediate. Events are
acausally interrelated.

Well this is very much what mystics believe about life in general.
Enlightened souls are individual personalities who have given up
worrying about the mundane because they know they will be perfectly
provided for and protected by seeming chance events that will appear at
a time and place that allows the perfect unfoldment of their lives.

There is no SCIENTIFIC evidence for such a belief. But the acausal
nature of both the experimental result and the mystical belief is
suggestive. And to those of faith, conclusive. But we must always be
honest and point out where we have faith, and where we have scientific
evidence. A scientific result may inspire faith, but there is no
scientific result that says such faith is anything more than faith has
always been. To suggest otherwise is be dishonest to the detriment of
both science and faith. Hence my irritation at guthball and tomass.


" . . . nonlocal events have three important qualities that distinguish
them from the physical world: They are correlated and this correlation
is unmediated, unmitigated, and immediate. Events are acausally
interrelated."


While I maintain the 'possibility' of 'mind over matter' I have never
made any assertion of their "correlation" or the attributes thereof.
This is just another STRAWMAN. This is typical of Mook.


tomcat

wrote:

Get an expander and do the same experiment and see the effect change.
What's an expander? Well, you can shine the laser into the eyepiece of
a telescope and it will expand the beam. You might want to put a
piece of wax paper across the eyepiece depending on the quality of the
laser.

hmm..

I wanted to respond to some private messages I've received since in the
past I have spoken in defense of the ethereal versus the mundane. lol.
Have I gone over to the other side? Aren't you making an exception of
tomass and guthball just to win an argument? Haven't you made similar
statements in the past on precisely this same topic?



Although I do occasionally run into stuff (say, every day or so) that
seems odd in a world that is presumably run by the laws of physics and
mathematics, I tend toward a strictly rationalist world view in regards
to chance, and lack of predestination for the individual or a society.
Guth is out of his ever-loving mind, Tomcat is floating around in
Timothy Leary's kaleidoscope heaven, and if you really want to torque
off OM just keep top posting and not trimming your quotes.
His teeth have extra nerves, his gall bladder has croaked, and in his
state (Texas) he is probably about as safe to **** off as Vermithrax
Pejorative in "Dragonslayer".
That having been said, I'm still going to attach the minus to the plus,
the plus to the minus, and reanimate dead matter...as that is my
family's and my own personal destiny....DESTINY! DESTINY! NO ESCAPING
DESTINY!
MY NAME ISN'T FLANNERY.....IT'S FLANENSTEIN! ;-)

Pat

Pat Flannery wrote:
wrote:

Get an expander and do the same experiment and see the effect change.
What's an expander? Well, you can shine the laser into the eyepiece of
a telescope and it will expand the beam. You might want to put a
piece of wax paper across the eyepiece depending on the quality of the
laser.

hmm..

I wanted to respond to some private messages I've received since in the
past I have spoken in defense of the ethereal versus the mundane. lol.
Have I gone over to the other side? Aren't you making an exception of
tomass and guthball just to win an argument? Haven't you made similar
statements in the past on precisely this same topic?



Although I do occasionally run into stuff (say, every day or so) that
seems odd in a world that is presumably run by the laws of physics and
mathematics, I tend toward a strictly rationalist world view in regards
to chance, and lack of predestination for the individual or a society.
Guth is out of his ever-loving mind, Tomcat is floating around in
Timothy Leary's kaleidoscope heaven, and if you really want to torque
off OM just keep top posting and not trimming your quotes.
His teeth have extra nerves, his gall bladder has croaked, and in his
state (Texas) he is probably about as safe to **** off as Vermithrax
Pejorative in "Dragonslayer".
That having been said, I'm still going to attach the minus to the plus,
the plus to the minus, and reanimate dead matter...as that is my
family's and my own personal destiny....DESTINY! DESTINY! NO ESCAPING
DESTINY!
MY NAME ISN'T FLANNERY.....IT'S FLANENSTEIN! ;-)

Pat




". . . Tomcat is floating around in Timothy Leary's kaleidoscope heaven
.. . ."


For the record, I don't use drugs. I sit down at my computer with a
steaming hot cup of coffee and a chocolate bar. That's it.


tomcat

William.Mook; We must first say what we do not know, before
we can even hope to learn more. Guthball and tomass don't do
that. They assert all sorts of things without evidence because
it feels good."
How typically out-of-context, of pagan incest bigotry and just plain
old and mean and pathetic is that statement of your's, or what?

Mooks's naysayism of such obvious lies upon lies is now worth something
less than used toilet paper.

For everything that I think that I know, I've asked a thousand
questions and given credit wherever possible. However, time after time
only to get the incest naysayism of Lord Mook's anti-everything in the
universe in return. As such I do believe there's crapolla on Earth
that's more honest and thereby more intelligent than Mook.
-

"If you're not looking for the truth, you will not find it."
-Brad Guth

"To believe with certainty we must begin with doubting."
-Stanislaus I

"The real voyage of discovery consists not in seeking new landscapes,
but having new eyes."
-Marcel Proust

"Truth is given, not to be contemplated, but to be done. Life is an
action, not a thought."
-F.W. Robertson
~
Even Kurt Vonnegut would have to agree that; WAR is WAR, thus "in war
there are no rules" - In fact, war has been the very reason why honest
folks are having to deal with the likes of others that haven't been
playing by whatever the supposed rules, such as our resident LLPOF
warlord(GW Bush) having invented WMD seems to come to mind.

Life upon Venus, a township w/Bridge & ET/UFO Park-n-Ride Tarmac:
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-town.htm
The Russian/China LSE-CM/ISS (Lunar Space Elevator)
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/lunar-space-elevator.htm
Venus ETs, plus the updated sub-topics; Brad Guth / GASA-IEIS
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-topics.htm

In article om,
mumbled

What are Beta Lights?

The glowing numbers on the front of Brad's Sony VCR...

Tankfixer wrote:
In article om,
mumbled

What are Beta Lights?

The glowing numbers on the front of Brad's Sony VCR...



Officially Beta Lights are tritium glow lights. But they have been
said to protect against external radiation? Perhaps this was an error
on the author's part, or it may indicate some possible 'classified'
technology used on the Apollo Missions.


tomcat

tomcat wrote:
Tankfixer wrote:
In article om,
mumbled

What are Beta Lights?

The glowing numbers on the front of Brad's Sony VCR...



Officially Beta Lights are tritium glow lights. But they have been
said to protect against external radiation? Perhaps this was an error
on the author's part, or it may indicate some possible 'classified'
technology used on the Apollo Missions.

There's nothing all that magical about stopping gamma and hard-X-rays,
and the moon is physically much worse off than what the Van Allen belts
have to offer.

Generating a few spare terajoules of energy for that of sustaining an
artificial lunar magnetosphere seems doable. Although that's only
trapping the nasty stuff as much as it's capable of deflecting solar
wind. Then what? Don't you still need a robust atmosphere?
-
Brad Guth

Brad Guth wrote:
William.Mook; We must first say what we do not know, before
we can even hope to learn more. Guthball and tomass don't do
that. They assert all sorts of things without evidence because
it feels good."
How typically out-of-context, of pagan incest bigotry and just plain
old and mean and pathetic is that statement of your's, or what?

Mooks's naysayism

You're the one who spouts naysayism whenever anyone points out
something rather simple in a vain effort to protect your INSANE world
view.

I mean, you went off the deep end talking about how bad the radiation
environment was, and TOTALLY IGNORE and TALK DOWN, clearly obvious
evidence like the actual record of radiation exposure of the Apollo
astronauts taken on their voyage.

of such obvious lies upon lies is now worth something
less than used toilet paper.

Listen to yourself. You accuse me of naysayism, but what is that
statement here but naysaysim itself. You say obvious lies - what the
hell are you talking about? What obvious lies? Calling something an
obvious lie without showing clear obvious evidence supporting it is
naysayism pure and simple. You are engaged in the very activity you
decry. Shut the **** up and learn a thing or two before you waste my
time and eveyrone else who has to put up with your obvious BULL****!

For everything that I think that I know, I've asked a thousand
questions

And yet have not listend to ONE answer! ****, you asked an intelligent
question once about mass ratio - and I went into gory detail going over
every mass fraction of every stage, and the performance of every
engine, and went through the delta vee requirements and all the rest to
show you how the Saturn V not only was capable of sending Apollo to the
Moon and bringing it back, but showing that the Saturn V was OPTIMAL
for that journey. SURPRISE SURPRISE why the hell wouldn't it be? The
best and the brightest of a generatiion designed and built it sparing
no expense. Sheez. You are a freakin' LUNATIC with no respect for the
truth, no capacity for logic, and no appreciation of the hard work of
others - even those who are trying to get you through whatever bad spot
you're obviously going through.

and given credit wherever possible.

The best liars lie to themselves, and that describes you GUTHBALL!

However, time after time
only to get the incest naysayism of Lord Mook's anti-everything in the
universe in return.

BULL****! I spent hours analyziing Saturn V for your step by step.
YOU **** ON IT DOING NO WORK WHATEVER TO TRY TO UNDERSTAND WHAT I WAS
SAYING - TALK ABOUT NAYSAYISM - THAT'S YOU TO A TEE GUTHBALL.

I spend hours analyziing your flawed Radon/Radium rocket bull**** -
showing you the power levels oare hopelessly too low, that the
quantities of Radium on Earth are hopelessly too small to achieve
anything, even if the power levels were up to par. Spent hours trying
to educate you on the concept that fission achieves what you want to
achieve, but at power levels that make sense. What do you do? YOU
**** ON IT DOING NO WORK WHATEVER TO TRY TO UNDERSTAND WHAT I WAS
SAYING - TALK ABOUT NAYSAYISM - THAT'S YOU TO A TEE GUTHBALL!


As such I do believe there's crapolla on Earth
that's more honest and thereby more intelligent than Mook.

I may not be the brightest bulb in the pack Guthball, but one things
certain, I'm brighter than you by about a billion times! LOL


"If you're not looking for the truth, you will not find it."
-Brad Guth

Which explains why you are still confused and mystified by life the
universe and everythying you worthless piece of ****.

"To believe with certainty we must begin with doubting."
-Stanislaus I

Well, you should do more than read quotes, you should read entire works
asshole, then you'd get the whole picture;

Have the courage to face a difficulty lest it kick you harder than you
bargain for.
Stanislaus I

"The real voyage of discovery consists not in seeking new landscapes,
but having new eyes."
-Marcel Proust

Gee Guthball, if you'd actually read these quotes and come to
understand them then there might be hope for you. But I doubt you even
read them, let alone take time to consider them fully. Here's another
for you... hopefully when you have new eyes you will come to
understand it.

There is no man, however wise, who has not at some period of his youth
said things, or lived in a way the consciousness of which is so
unpleasant to him in later life that he would gladly, if he could,
expunge it from his memory.
- Marcel Proust

"Truth is given, not to be contemplated, but to be done. Life is an
action, not a thought."
-F.W. Robertson
~

Do you just go to Brainy Quote and pull **** up? You don't read any of
this **** do you? Do you even know who Robertson is? What is your
favorite work of his? lol. You pathetic moron.

Instruction ends in the schoolroom, but education ends only with life.
A child is given to the universe to be educated.
-Frederick W. Robertson

Even Kurt Vonnegut would have to agree that; WAR is WAR, thus "in war
there are no rules" -

Bull****. Read The Art of War


In fact, war has been the very reason why honest
folks are having to deal with the likes of others that haven't been
playing by whatever the supposed rules, such as our resident LLPOF
warlord(GW Bush) having invented WMD seems to come to mind.

Totally pointless ranting having nothing to do with the fact that the
US went to the moon, there is no life on Venus, Guthballs' radon/radium
rocket won't work, and nothing guthball ever said or is likely to say,
or is saying now, has an ounce of credibility or validity to it.

Life upon Venus, a township w/Bridge & ET/UFO Park-n-Ride Tarmac:
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-town.htm
The Russian/China LSE-CM/ISS (Lunar Space Elevator)
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/lunar-space-elevator.htm
Venus ETs, plus the updated sub-topics; Brad Guth / GASA-IEIS
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-topics.htm


hahaha....