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Eric Chomko wrote:
: And I find it fascinating how you define 'sensible people' as 'people : who agree with your world view'. : That is not how I define 'sensible people. I find it fascinating that : you think that it is. Ordover has a long history of being a : non-sensible person. You say that about a lot of people and the list appears to be growing. No, not many. Is Derek next, because he isn't another yes-man to you? No, he's just a curmudgeon. |
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Eric Chomko wrote:
How does state government money end up backing commercial spaceflight? New Mexico is investing over $200M in a commercial spaceport. |
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Derek Lyons wrote:
And I find it fascinating how you define 'sensible people' as 'people who agree with your world view'. That is not how I define 'sensible people. I find it fascinating that you think that it is. Ordover has a long history of being a non-sensible person. I think it is, because you said so in plain black and white (at least those are the colors on my monitor). Or, you may be playing word games again. You're entitled to misinterpret whatever you want. I certainly can do nothing to stop you. |
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Rand Simberg wrote: Eric Chomko wrote: How does state government money end up backing commercial spaceflight? New Mexico is investing over $200M in a commercial spaceport. Please source this, including the specific tracking data on the bill passed by the NM legislature investing this money, or the official goverment department that cut the check or is planning to do so. In fact, Rand, there's really no point in you posting anything without sourcing it. |
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wrote: Rand Simberg wrote: Eric Chomko wrote: How does state government money end up backing commercial spaceflight? New Mexico is investing over $200M in a commercial spaceport. Please source this, including the specific tracking data on the bill passed by the NM legislature investing this money, or the official goverment department that cut the check or is planning to do so. In fact, Rand, there's really no point in you posting anything without sourcing it. Never mind - if this is the source of your claim http://www.space.com/news/060102_nm_spaceport.html then please note that as yet the state of NM has not appropriated any such sum of money for a spaceport. At this moment it's all possible proposals, and relies on -adding a tax burden to the residents of New Mexico- to support the project that is already spending taxpayers money. From the above article: "New Mexico Governor Bill Richardson announced on December 14 that he will work with the state legislature to secure a three-year commitment for a total of $100 million for the state's share of the funding to build the world's first commercial spaceport to be built in southern New Mexico. Richardson's funding package will be the keystone of a larger $225 million financial construction package that includes local, state and federal funding to build New Mexico's spaceport in Upham. Homans said the additional funding is expected to come from a combination of sources, including: Federal earmarks and appropriations over the next three fiscal years; Southern New Mexico cities and counties, by a proposed local option gross receipts tax that will be decided by the voters; and other state sources, including future transportation funding and money that has already been approved by the state legislature for construction of the spaceport." |
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Rand Simberg wrote: wrote: How does state government money end up backing commercial spaceflight? New Mexico is investing over $200M in a commercial spaceport. Please source this, including the specific tracking data on the bill passed by the NM legislature investing this money, or the official goverment department that cut the check or is planning to do so. In fact, Rand, there's really no point in you posting anything without sourcing it. And there's really no point in you posting anything, period. Wow, look, no sourcing, and an insult instead. |
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Rand Simberg wrote: New Mexico is investing over $200M in a commercial spaceport. Please source this, including the specific tracking data on the bill passed by the NM legislature investing this money, NM House Bill 835, signed into law on February 24, 2006. http://legis.state.nm.us/lcs/BillFin...er.asp?year=06 will let you find it. or the official goverment department that cut the check or is planning to do so. Try the New Mexico Economic Development Department, and the newly created New Mexico Spaceport Authority. In fact, Rand, there's really no point in you posting anything without sourcing it. John, whatever time had done to temper my beliefs that you usually speak out against things you don't understand has just been undone. Rand overstated the amount -- New Mexico's legislature actually only appropriated $100 million of the expected $225M cost of the spaceport's construction -- but what he says is based solidly in reality (as usual). A brief web search on "New Mexico spaceport" gives plenty of information. You might want to start he http://ww1.edd.state.nm.us/index.php...20Commercializ ation/ |
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"Scott Hedrick" wrote in message . .. "jonathan" wrote in message . .. Besides, I'm not talking about the foreseeable future. Obviously. If it's as easy as you say, why aren't *you* doing it? I'm doing what I can. Ya know, in the next Presidential election the issues of gas prices, oil dependency and especially global warming should all be key issues. And Hillary doesn't seem to have any policy on Nasa. Maybe a letter writing campaign to convince her SPS should be revived might have an effect. After all, SPS could be a potential long term solution to three of the most heated issues of the day. Oil, global warming and wars over oil. Maybe an open letter with some Nasa 'titles' attached to it would get her ear? Sometimes convincing everyone is not needed to create change, but convincing just the right person can be enough. |
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"Rand Simberg" wrote in message ... wrote: If space can provide something else cheaper and better than you can get it on Earth, that will attract investment too. What it might be I can't imagine, but where you need to focus energy on is imagining it. That says much more about the paucity of your imagination than about the nature or reality of space markets. Lacking anything valid to say, you just hurl insults. No, while I occasionally insult when I think it appropriate, I rarely "just" do so. And in this case, I simply describe reality, logically derived from your own statement. But he is absolutely correct in that the solution to our greatest problems will flow from our imagination. Which is what is entirely lacking in our current space vision. They failed to imagine how Nasa's goal would inspire public support, they failed to imagine how it would create a space industry. Or how the vision would generate tangible benefits to society. The vision does very little on any of these counts. But imagining the future, a future where solar power, not oil is our primary energy source leads to a solution that accomplishes all of the above in boatloads. As SPS could hold the long term solution to three of our greatest most pressing issues today. Our dependence on oil, the global warming that results. And the wars over oil that could dominate our future. Not to mention the present. It's through these tremendous possible benefits to society that brings public and Congressional support. The kind of support that could transform Nasa into more than just an agency of pure science. But turn Nasa into the agency that could save our future and our planet. Isn't that what the high frontier is all about, the future? Jonathan s |
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