Hoagland a fraud?

On Tue, 16 Mar 2004 19:11:16 -0600, Herb Schaltegger
wrote:

In article ,
* wrote:

On 16 Mar 2004 16:16:38 -0800, (George William
Herbert) wrote:

The US government (or, everyone) owns the images and data, both raw
and processed, throughout.

Liar.

During Malin's 'proprietary period' Malin has *exclusive ownership* of the
MOC photographs, and during that time Malin and his staff doctor the
photographs.

Repeating unsubstantiated

It's not unsubstantiated. It's fact and needs no defense. If you have a
problem with it take it up with NASA/Lockheed, not me. I'm just the
messenger and attacking me is a logical fallacy.

bull**** over and over doesn't make it true.

Projection noted.

I've already filed one abuse complaint today over your off-topi

Since when is discussing space related topics in space related newsgroups
off topic, eh?

and
off-charter nonsense for sci.space. Would you like me to add another
for your dozen-plus posts containing nothing but the same text over and
over?

Go right ahead and continue your inane threats. You're paranoid, but
that;'s par for the course with people like you -- can't face the horrid
truth.

On 16 Mar 2004 18:07:07 -0800, (George William
Herbert) wrote:

In article ,
* wrote:
On 16 Mar 2004 16:16:38 -0800, (George William
Herbert) wrote:
Anyone in the *world* is allowed to view the raw science imagery.
All you need is a 30 to 70 meter radio antenna dish and the appropriate
data extraction tools. It's not encrypted.

Yes, and the 'extraction tools' are decoding programs and NO ONE ON EARTH
EXCEPT MALIN has those tools.

The data format has been published.
Looking it up would require some actual
research in a library looking at journals,
however, which may be beyond your limited
capabilities.

You'd probably have to write some software to do it,
though there's an outside chance that Malin would
give it to you.

You keep making this out to be harder than it is.

Translation: no one has the programs to retrieve the raw Mars photographs
but Malin.


-george william herbert

On 16 Mar 2004 18:02:13 -0800, (George William
Herbert) wrote:

In article ,
* wrote:
On 16 Mar 2004 16:16:38 -0800, (George William
Herbert) wrote:
The US government (or, everyone) owns the images and data, both raw
and processed, throughout.

Liar.

During Malin's 'proprietary period' Malin has *exclusive ownership* of the
MOC photographs, and during that time Malin and his staff doctor the
photographs.

1) NASA keeps their original downlink data.

And Malin keeps the original coded downlink Mars MOC data.

2) If you keep posting 4 copies of everything you send,
Earthlink will turn your account off within a day or two.

You keep repeating yourself and looking like a fool.

And earthlink has no policy about disallowing on topic posts in newsgroups
related to the subject.


-george william herbert

On 16 Mar 2004 18:16:10 -0800, (George William
Herbert) wrote:

In article ,
* wrote:
And this is what NASA/Lockheed are hiding:

1. Hoagland a fraud. He's being paid by Lockheed to be a
diversion and to make NASA/Lockheed secret discoveries on Mars look
ridiculous.

2) Ruins of a previous sophisticated and technologically advanced
civilization on Mars. This extinct Martian civilization shows evidence of
being more technologically advanced than current earth.

3) Evidence of a sudden, catastrophic mass extinction of that civilization
on Mars.

4). A breathable atmosphere on Mars.

5). Vegetation on Mars.

6). Grey aliens currently have established a base on Mars.


And your evidence for this is?

Malin has the evidence, I'm just the messenger.


-george william herbert

On Wed, 17 Mar 2004 02:33:29 GMT, Wally Anglesea™
wrote:

On Wed, 17 Mar 2004 00:29:21 GMT, * wrote:

On 16 Mar 2004 16:16:38 -0800, (George William
Herbert) wrote:

The proprietary period also allows the scientists to remove
instrument noise and to calibrate the data properly.


Liar.

Oh, the IRONY. You are the biggest liar to have posted oin usnet in
ages.

Proof?

To the sci. heir achy, welcome to Alexa,

Ah yes, every time you get paranoid you mention Alexa.

Well, she's not posting here, and in fact never has.

And your claim is provable how?

who takes a particularly
strong stupid pill each time it posts.

This individual has never been seen to post logic or truth in each
suck poppet incarnation.

Liar.

On Wed, 17 Mar 2004 02:32:26 GMT, Wally Anglesea™
wrote:

On Tue, 16 Mar 2004 21:10:18 GMT, * wrote:

On Tue, 16 Mar 2004 19:56:02 GMT, Ian Stirling
wrote:

In sci.space.policy * wrote:
On Mon, 15 Mar 2004 16:44:49 -0500, Patty Brooks
wrote:

snip

Is Hoagland a fraud? Yes he is. He's being paid by Lockheed to be a
diversion and to make NASA/Lockheed secret discoveries on Mars look
ridiculous.

What secret discoveries?

1) Ruins of a previous sophisticated and technologically advanced
civilization on Mars. This extinct Martian civilization shows evidence of
being more technologically advanced than current earth.

Nope, there are none

That's not what NASA insiders say.


2) Evidence of a sudden, catastrophic mass extinction of that civilization
on Mars.

Nope, see above.

That's not what NASA insiders say.


3). A breathable atmosphere on Mars.

Nope.

That's not what NASA insiders say.

Not at all, nada. Even *amateur* astronomers can test for that.
I guess they must be part of a grand international conspiracy, huh?

Care to explain how that is possible, kook?

You believe NASA lies, that's why.



4). Vegetation on Mars.

None seen so far.

You've been looking at NASA photographs, hua.

That's not what NASA insiders say.

5). Grey aliens currently have established a base of Mars.

Since there are no grey aliens, it follows there are no grey aliens on
Mars.

Geeze, did you take a particularly strong stupid pill this morning?

Attacking the messenger again, eh? Your logic is non-existant.

In article ,
* wrote:
And this is what NASA/Lockheed are hiding:

1. Hoagland a fraud.

NASA is making no attempt whatsoever to hide this. Hoagland proves it
himself with every statement.

On Wed, 17 Mar 2004 04:39:39 GMT, * wrote:

On Wed, 17 Mar 2004 02:33:29 GMT, Wally Anglesea™
wrote:

On Wed, 17 Mar 2004 00:29:21 GMT, * wrote:

On 16 Mar 2004 16:16:38 -0800, (George William
Herbert) wrote:

The proprietary period also allows the scientists to remove
instrument noise and to calibrate the data properly.


Liar.

Oh, the IRONY. You are the biggest liar to have posted oin usnet in
ages.

Proof?

Yes, Every one of your psots. Google is your friend.


To the sci. heir achy, welcome to Alexa,

Ah yes, every time you get paranoid you mention Alexa.

You hat it when another suck poppet is exploded don't you., kook?


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"You can't fool me, it's turtles all the way down."

On Wed, 17 Mar 2004 04:38:00 GMT, * wrote:

On 16 Mar 2004 18:16:10 -0800, (George William
Herbert) wrote:

In article ,
* wrote:
And this is what NASA/Lockheed are hiding:

1. Hoagland a fraud. He's being paid by Lockheed to be a
diversion and to make NASA/Lockheed secret discoveries on Mars look
ridiculous.

2) Ruins of a previous sophisticated and technologically advanced
civilization on Mars. This extinct Martian civilization shows evidence of
being more technologically advanced than current earth.

3) Evidence of a sudden, catastrophic mass extinction of that civilization
on Mars.

4). A breathable atmosphere on Mars.

5). Vegetation on Mars.

6). Grey aliens currently have established a base on Mars.


And your evidence for this is?

Malin has the evidence, I'm just the messenger.

IN other wordfs, you are making it up as you go along, like you did
about the sekrit flying saucer underground at Groom Lake.

Yep, You took a strong stupid pill today, didn't you, kook?


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http://users.bigpond.net.au/wanglese/Alien_recipes.html

"You can't fool me, it's turtles all the way down."

On Wed, 17 Mar 2004 01:25:06 GMT, Bruce Palmer wrote:

* wrote:

[detritus snipped]



Hey anything to keep the thread in the public eye.


Putting you in my killfile keeps you away from my eyes and that's all I
really care about.

*PLONK*

Still doesn't erase the fact that Hoagland if a fraud/