How many degrees in their orbit do the planets travel in one Earth year?

On Monday, August 17, 2015 at 11:45:14 PM UTC+1, Dr J R Stockton wrote:

I don't recall whether I got the method traceably to Huygens, but an
algorithm is demonstrated at
http://www.merlyn.demon.co.uk/js-demos.htm#App.

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I could waste all my time undoing the empirical fraud and especially the dubious ability to make the original astronomers say and act in a way that suits mathematicians even when their methods and insights in their own words wouldn't support the fraud.

Kepler never wrote a law and neither did his correlation between orbital periods and distance from the Sun incorporate an explanation for planetary orbits in isolation much less a planet's orbital geometry. Not only do the empiricists not comprehend the scheme of Newton, more importantly, they are lost with the technical details which Kepler employed and even then Kepler's outlook is flawed .

"But it is absolutely certain and exact that the ratio which exists
between the periodic times of any two planets is precisely the ratio
of the 3/2th power of the mean distances, i.e., of the spheres
themselves; provided, however, that the arithmetic mean between both
diameters of the elliptic orbit be slightly less than the longer
diameter. And so if any one take the period, say, of the Earth, which
is one year, and the period of Saturn, which is thirty years, and
extract the cube roots of this ratio and then square the ensuing ratio
by squaring the cube roots, he will have as his numerical products the
most just ratio of the distances of the Earth and Saturn from the sun.
1 For the cube root of 1 is 1, and the square of it is 1; and the cube
root of 30 is greater than 3, and therefore the square of it is
greater than 9. And Saturn, at its mean distance from the sun, is
slightly higher than nine times the mean distance of the Earth from
the sun." Kepler

Relative motions between planets only work for the outer planets and the Earth as this is how the structure of the solar system and the Earth's motion and position within the framework is accounted for so a different set of rules apply to the inner planets .

"The proportion existing between the periodic times of any two planets is exactly the sesquiplicate proportion of the mean distances of the orbits, or as generally given,the squares of the periodic times are proportional to the cubes of the mean distances." Kepler

That statement is a condensed form of the more expanded view quoted earlier on in the thread using Saturn and the Earth but in the hands of Newton it morphs into a hideous form that none of you stand a chance of dealing with as it uses the wayward notion of absolute/relative time,space and motion -

"That the fixed stars being at rest, the periodic times of the five primary planets, and (whether of the sun about the earth, or) of the earth about the sun, are in the sesquiplicate proportion of their mean distances from the sun...This proportion, first observed by Kepler, is now received by all astronomers; for the periodic times are the same, and the dimensions of the orbits are the same, whether the sun revolves about the earth,or the earth about the sun." Newton

At least Newton's approach has a structure to it but his followers never knew what it was and some even admitted it -

"The demonstrations throughout the book [Principia] are geometrical,
but to readers of ordinary ability are rendered unnecessarily
difficult by the absence of illustrations and explanations, and by the
fact that no clue is given to the method by which Newton arrived at
his results." Rouse Ball 1908

Empiricists are inclined to think I am going out of my way to attack Newton when I see these things as obstacles to productive 21st century astronomy and trying to get genuine observers to see that they really don't have to go back in history to sort things out, they can simply look at contemporary graphics and imaging to create narratives which they can enjoy almost immediately.

On Thursday, August 13, 2015 at 11:03:22 AM UTC-4, peterson wrote:
On Thu, 13 Aug 2015 06:10:19 -0700 (PDT), wsnell01 wrote:

Of what, exactly, are you accusing the College of Cardinals, peterson?

Mainly, of being an organization of truly awful human beings. It's
hard to imagine how a moral human could be associated with such an
organization. Mental illness in a few cases, but mostly just bad
people.

You're evading my question, peterson.

You had written of the College of Cardinals:

"Indeed, they have the finest pedophilia program on Earth."

peterson, you seem to fancy yourself an expert on just about everything, so why not elaborate on your outrageous statement? Or maybe you don't actually have any facts to back it up? Which?

On Tue, 18 Aug 2015 19:34:05 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Thursday, August 13, 2015 at 11:03:22 AM UTC-4, peterson wrote:
On Thu, 13 Aug 2015 06:10:19 -0700 (PDT), wsnell01 wrote:

Of what, exactly, are you accusing the College of Cardinals, peterson?

Mainly, of being an organization of truly awful human beings. It's
hard to imagine how a moral human could be associated with such an
organization. Mental illness in a few cases, but mostly just bad
people.

You're evading my question, peterson.

You had written of the College of Cardinals:

"Indeed, they have the finest pedophilia program on Earth."

peterson, you seem to fancy yourself an expert on just about everything, so why not elaborate on your outrageous statement? Or maybe you don't actually have any facts to back it up? Which?

Catching up on old messages now that you're out of rehab again?

On Wednesday, August 19, 2015 at 11:20:56 AM UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
On Tue, 18 Aug 2015 19:34:05 -0700 (PDT), wsnell01 wrote:

On Thursday, August 13, 2015 at 11:03:22 AM UTC-4, peterson wrote:
On Thu, 13 Aug 2015 06:10:19 -0700 (PDT), wsnell01 wrote:

Of what, exactly, are you accusing the College of Cardinals, peterson?

Mainly, of being an organization of truly awful human beings. It's
hard to imagine how a moral human could be associated with such an
organization. Mental illness in a few cases, but mostly just bad
people.

You're evading my question, peterson.

You had written of the College of Cardinals:

"Indeed, they have the finest pedophilia program on Earth."

peterson, you seem to fancy yourself an expert on just about everything, so why not elaborate on your outrageous statement? Or maybe you don't actually have any facts to back it up? Which?

Catching up on old messages now that you're out of rehab again?

It's really amazing that you would keep track of when I post messages and even more amazing are the fanciful explanations you try to come up with to explain why I post when I do. Clearly, you have too much time on your hands, peterson.

Basically, I will post to this group whenever I feel like doing so, and YOU can go **** yourself. Understood, pea-brain?

Now, provide the data and other info that you believe will support your absurd notion(s) about the College of Cardinals, peterson.

On Wednesday, August 12, 2015 at 1:43:27 AM UTC-4, Brian Denzer wrote:
Get pulled away for a couple of days, and see what happens. My gosh.

edit

You had better post more often and more regularly, lest peterson make accusations and libelous comments about you.

On Saturday, August 15, 2015 at 3:38:37 PM UTC-4, Brian Denzer wrote:
If anyone posts any more culture war comments in this thread, I'll begin reporting abuse.

You might have noticed by now that peterson likes to troll. Furthermore, his collectivist "culture" involves coercion, whereas my individualist culture does not. Which would you support?

Thank you RichA, oriel36, & Dr J R Stockton for staying on topic.

The oriole certainly stays on topic... unfortunately, no one really seems to know what that topic is.

On Wed, 19 Aug 2015 09:13:36 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Saturday, August 15, 2015 at 3:38:37 PM UTC-4, Brian Denzer wrote:
If anyone posts any more culture war comments in this thread, I'll begin reporting abuse.

You might have noticed by now that peterson likes to troll. Furthermore, his collectivist "culture" involves coercion, whereas my individualist culture does not. Which would you support?

When they let you out, they forgot to give you your OCD meds, I see.

wrote:
On Thursday, August 13, 2015 at 11:03:22 AM UTC-4, peterson wrote:
On Thu, 13 Aug 2015 06:10:19 -0700 (PDT), wsnell01 wrote:

Of what, exactly, are you accusing the College of Cardinals, peterson?

Mainly, of being an organization of truly awful human beings. It's
hard to imagine how a moral human could be associated with such an
organization. Mental illness in a few cases, but mostly just bad
people.

You're evading my question, peterson.

You had written of the College of Cardinals:

"Indeed, they have the finest pedophilia program on Earth."

peterson, you seem to fancy yourself an expert on just about everything,
so why not elaborate on your outrageous statement? Or maybe you don't
actually have any facts to back it up? Which?

http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...rs-review-says

On Wednesday, August 19, 2015 at 1:15:54 PM UTC-4, peterson wrote:
On Wed, 19 Aug 2015 09:13:36 -0700 (PDT), wsnell01 wrote:

On Saturday, August 15, 2015 at 3:38:37 PM UTC-4, Brian Denzer wrote:
If anyone posts any more culture war comments in this thread, I'll begin reporting abuse.

You might have noticed by now that peterson likes to troll. Furthermore, his collectivist "culture" involves coercion, whereas my individualist culture does not. Which would you support?

When they let you out, they forgot to give you your OCD meds, I see.

You're projecting again, peterson.

And didn't I tell you to go **** yourself? Are you having trouble remembering and following simple instructions?

On Wednesday, August 19, 2015 at 1:19:29 PM UTC-4, Mike Collins wrote:
wsnell01 wrote:
On Thursday, August 13, 2015 at 11:03:22 AM UTC-4, peterson wrote:
On Thu, 13 Aug 2015 06:10:19 -0700 (PDT), wsnell01 wrote:

Of what, exactly, are you accusing the College of Cardinals, peterson?

Mainly, of being an organization of truly awful human beings. It's
hard to imagine how a moral human could be associated with such an
organization. Mental illness in a few cases, but mostly just bad
people.

You're evading my question, peterson.

You had written of the College of Cardinals:

"Indeed, they have the finest pedophilia program on Earth."

peterson, you seem to fancy yourself an expert on just about everything,
so why not elaborate on your outrageous statement? Or maybe you don't
actually have any facts to back it up? Which?

http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...rs-review-says

Such incidents are crimes and should be reported to the police, not to the church.