Why I am still here posting aboiut safety

Honestly I am livid that dittmores group was so casual about issues and ignored
their own flight rules even traveling and vacationing during flights.

Right after the loss Roger and others supported Ron and management and said
"Wait till the jury is in"

Well that time has arrived. Sadly this was like challenger preventable....

Gross miss management and carelesness. Theres a saying your only as good as
your manager. Well nasa fell right like Ron, sloppy and careless. His
replacement saddened me by the WERE SOLID HERE NO BIG CHANGES NEEDED.

Obviously he has a anal view of the situation and should be shown the door
before he allows more to die.

Spaceflight is hard, we need only the best to lead.

As new articles come out about traveling vacationing and other poor choices I
will be here pointing each one out. In the hope that such will maybe prevent a
reoccurence.

Challenger and Columbia both preventable both possible because of poor
management.

On 04 Jul 2003 13:54:03 GMT, (Hallerb) wrote:

As new articles come out about traveling vacationing and other poor choices I
will be here pointing each one out. In the hope that such will maybe prevent a
reoccurence.

This is delusional, Bob. You won't prevent anything by posting here. This isn't
some kind of NASA oversight board. It's only a newsgroup...

Dale

This is delusional, Bob. You won't prevent anything by posting here. This
isn't
some kind of NASA oversight board. It's only a newsgroup...

Dale


No but spreading the word to everyone might just influence the future.

Who said when we forget the lessons of the past we are destined to repeatr the
mistakes in the future?

On 04 Jul 2003 14:14:35 GMT, (Hallerb) wrote:

This is delusional, Bob. You won't prevent anything by posting here. This
isn't
some kind of NASA oversight board. It's only a newsgroup...

No but spreading the word to everyone might just influence the future.

True enough. But there's something to be said in favor of "quality" over
"quantity". You put many people off by not bothering to use proper English.
I see from this post that you're capable of writing well. You aren't very tolerant
of "carelessness" in others. Why be that way yourself? It doesn't help your
cause. Nor does saying the same thing over and over...

Who said when we forget the lessons of the past we are destined to repeatr the
mistakes in the future?

I think that was Richard Nixon. Just kidding

Dale

In news:Tim Kozusko typed:
edward ohare wrote in message
...

There's an old saying that nothing that happens on Usenet affects
real life. Heck, just try talking with Joe Average ISP customer,
and
you'll be lucky to find one in fifty who knows what Usenet is.

Exactly. Usenet is a bathroom wall at one of those out-of-the-way
interstate exits that has an old geezer half asleep sitting on a milk
crate out front.

Excellent analogy. g Which, of course, gets back to the original
question of this thread in the subject line. Why?
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Excellent analogy. g Which, of course, gets back to the original
question of this thread in the subject line. Why?

Gotta be something to do with human nature I would think.

On Fri, 04 Jul 2003 10:14:35 -0400, Hallerb wrote:


This is delusional, Bob. You won't prevent anything by posting here. This
isn't
some kind of NASA oversight board. It's only a newsgroup...

Dale


No but spreading the word to everyone might just influence the future.


Do you really think YOU are the ONLY one who thinks of these things? That
YOU are the smartest person on the planet and that no one at NASA or
anywhere else is thinking about this stuff? You need a reality check bub.


Who said when we forget the lessons of the past we are destined to
repeatr the mistakes in the future?


Spaceflight will ALWAYS be a VERY RISKY business. Regardless of how
careful we are. Regardless of HOW anal we are about safety people will die
in the future as well. It's the nature of the business. Get used to it. We
can only do so much and think of so much. It's part of progress in any
endeavor we chosse to do. Be it deep sea exploration,
spaceflight,mining,etc.

Hindsight is always 20/20.

Giganews hosts/posts Bob Mosley's abuse for Illuminati Online.

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John Thomas Maxson, Retired Engineer (Aerospace)
Author, The Betrayal of Mission 51-L (www.mission51l.com)


OM om@our_blessed_lady_mary_of_the_holy_NASA_researc h_facility.org
wrote in message ...
On Fri, 04 Jul 2003 17:44:56 -0400, Fred Garvin
wrote:

No but spreading the word to everyone might just influence the future.

Do you really think YOU are the ONLY one who thinks of these things?
That
YOU are the smartest person on the planet and that no one at NASA or
anywhere else is thinking about this stuff? You need a reality check bub.

...Fred, Bob Haller's in the terminal phases of Maxson's Syndrome.
Best to toss his ass into Killfile Hell as a lost cause and let him
quietly pass away down there.


OM

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On Fri, 04 Jul 2003 17:44:56 -0400, Fred Garvin
wrote:

No but spreading the word to everyone might just influence the future.


Do you really think YOU are the ONLY one who thinks of these things? That
YOU are the smartest person on the planet and that no one at NASA or
anywhere else is thinking about this stuff? You need a reality check bub.

....Fred, Bob Haller's in the terminal phases of Maxson's Syndrome.
Best to toss his ass into Killfile Hell as a lost cause and let him
quietly pass away down there.


OM

--

"No ******* ever won a war by dying for | http://www.io.com/~o_m
his country. He won it by making the other | Sergeant-At-Arms
poor dumb ******* die for his country." | Human O-Ring Society

- General George S. Patton, Jr

Do you really think YOU are the ONLY one who thinks of these things? That
YOU are the smartest person on the planet and that no one at NASA or
anywhere else is thinking about this stuff? You need a reality check bub.


Who said when we forget the lessons of the past we are destined to
repeatr the mistakes in the future?


Spaceflight will ALWAYS be a VERY RISKY business. Regardless of how
careful we are. Regardless of HOW anal we are about safety people will die
in the future as well. It's the nature of the business. Get used to it. We
can only do so much and think of so much. It's part of progress in any
endeavor we chosse to do. Be it deep sea exploration,
spaceflight,mining,etc.

Hindsight is always 20/20.


Sadly this loss like challenger was preventable. Allowing foam loss to move
from critical one to maintenance, poor imaging of boost phase, inexperienced
workers evaluatuing foam strikes, no strike evaluation of RCC, sloppy managers
vacationing and traveling during the flight, sloppy managers not holding daily
meetings as they are supposed to, the list goes on.....

Its not like this was a sudden ailure of something that had been carefully
watched while managers did their job.

JUST LIKE CHALLENGER MANAGEMENT BLEW IT