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"Derek Lyons" wrote in message ... (LaDonna Wyss) wrote: Which lands it back in the lap of a military operation. Once again you state an opinion as a conclusion, without having actually supported it. I suppose the ultimate question she needs to answer is who they took orders from? D. -- Touch-twice life. Eat. Drink. Laugh. |
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Derek Lyons wrote:
The Pentagon 'decided' to obey the President, who ordered that the initial group of astronauts come from the services. (The DoDs interest in space comes somewhat later.) Sorry, the bracketed remark is incorrect. Both the USAF's X-15 and MISS (Main in Space Soonest) projects pre-date both the formation of NASA and the selection of the Original 7. In fact, the first ever U.S. (preliminary) astronaut selection was announced in a USAF briefing concerning MISS on 25 June 1958. The list included test pilots Robert Walker, Scott Crossfield, Neil Armstrong, Robert Rushworth, William Bridgeman, Alvin White, Iven Kincheloe, Robert White, and Jack McKay. The project was cancelled on 1 Aug 1958 when NASA was formed. It's interesting to note that it seems that Armstrong was simply destined to get into space one way or another. (MISS candidate, X-15 pilot, X-20 candidate, NASA Group II.) -- Dave Michelson |
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In article 9F3zc.749160$oR5.235666@pd7tw3no,
Dave Michelson wrote: It's interesting to note that it seems that Armstrong was simply destined to get into space one way or another. (MISS candidate, X-15 pilot, X-20 candidate, NASA Group II.) Indeed, he might well have been in the first astronaut group if he hadn't been a civilian. (The first group had to be active-duty military.) -- "Think outside the box -- the box isn't our friend." | Henry Spencer -- George Herbert | |
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On Sun, 13 Jun 2004 21:27:33 GMT, Dave Michelson
wrote: Derek Lyons wrote: The Pentagon 'decided' to obey the President, who ordered that the initial group of astronauts come from the services. (The DoDs interest in space comes somewhat later.) Sorry, the bracketed remark is incorrect. Both the USAF's X-15 and MISS (Main in Space Soonest) projects pre-date both the formation of NASA and the selection of the Original 7. ....Which is what I was going to post, but since Derek's being a twit and has killfiled me simply because I was exercising my Constitutional right to trash trolls under the 2nd Amendment, 33rd clause, I passed on correcting his misconception. In addition, I argue that you should also include Project Manhigh, even though orbit was nowhere near a stated goal. OM -- "No ******* ever won a war by dying for | http://www.io.com/~o_m his country. He won it by making the other | Sergeant-At-Arms poor dumb ******* die for his country." | Human O-Ring Society - General George S. Patton, Jr |
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John Beaderstadt wrote in message . ..
While reading in the bathroom on Sun, 13 Jun 2004 19:39:48 GMT, I saw that (Derek Lyons) had written: Folks in uniform can be found in all manner of odd places. (Or to put it another way, yes the DoD loans out troops and individuals for various reasons and periods of time quite routinely.) Several expeditions of exploration spring to mind, beginning with Lewis and Clark. Then there was the Jeanette expedition to find the North Pole, the Schwatka trek across the interior of Alaska, etc. Then there are the occasional worldwide relief expeditions run primarily by military personnel. I suppose these were technically military operations, owing to their composition, but one would be hard pressed to describe a distinctly military purpose. Seems to me this entire conversation is fueled by the insistence of some people on considering the national interest to be synonymous with military purposes. It's useless to argue or attempt rational discussion with people who think like that; there's virtually no difference between them and the conspiracy theorists. Personally, I could never be that paranoid. -------------- Beady's Corollary to Occam's Razor: "The likeliest explanation of any phenomenon is almost always the most boring one imaginable." -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 100,000 Newsgroups - 19 Different Servers! =----- Sorry. Not only do I not deal in psycho-babble, I also don't care about "likeliest." I deal in truth. LaDonna |
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Dave Michelson wrote in message news:9F3zc.749160$oR5.235666@pd7tw3no...
Derek Lyons wrote: The Pentagon 'decided' to obey the President, who ordered that the initial group of astronauts come from the services. (The DoDs interest in space comes somewhat later.) Sorry, the bracketed remark is incorrect. Both the USAF's X-15 and MISS (Main in Space Soonest) projects pre-date both the formation of NASA and the selection of the Original 7. In fact, the first ever U.S. (preliminary) astronaut selection was announced in a USAF briefing concerning MISS on 25 June 1958. The list included test pilots Robert Walker, Scott Crossfield, Neil Armstrong, Robert Rushworth, William Bridgeman, Alvin White, Iven Kincheloe, Robert White, and Jack McKay. The project was cancelled on 1 Aug 1958 when NASA was formed. It's interesting to note that it seems that Armstrong was simply destined to get into space one way or another. (MISS candidate, X-15 pilot, X-20 candidate, NASA Group II.) Exactly right. |
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On 12 Jun 2004 16:23:11 -0700, (LaDonna Wyss)
wrote: Just because they were TDA to NASA did NOT mean they were no longer in military service. Gosh, can you not put it in historical context? I don't think you mean TDA, since it's either TAD or TDY (USN and USAF respectively), meaning temporary, not permanent. The military folks that work at NASA have PCSed there. Mary -- Mary Shafer Retired aerospace research engineer |
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"John Beaderstadt" Seems to me this entire conversation is fueled by the insistence of some people on considering the national interest to be synonymous with military purposes. It may have fueled the conversation back in the late 50s, but Eisenhower established NASA specifically because he made a judgement that space flight should be a civilian endeavor. It's useless to argue or attempt rational discussion with people who think like that; there's virtually no difference between them and the conspiracy theorists. The militarists had solid arguments for a mil-sponsored space program. We pay them to defend the country. Their ideas lost out. Personally, I could never be that paranoid. Hurray. |
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On 13 Jun 2004 20:32:18 -0700, (LaDonna Wyss)
wrote: In fact, I have a cute piece of information for you: Did you know that, according to St. Louis Military Personnel records, the Air Force never heard of Gus Grissom or Ed White, and the Navy never heard of Roger Chaffee? (Those of you who have emailed me to send information, would you like copies of those "Lt. Col. Who?" letters as well?) Steve Chaffee thought that was a riot, especially considering his father was given a medal posthumously for his service during the Cuban Missile Crisis. I've tried the Pentagon, Air Force and Navy headquarters in Washington, and the aforementioned personnel office (and yes, I sent them everything but social security numbers and fingerprints; there is NO excuse for them having "no record" of Gus, Ed, and Roger.) I'm currently trying the historical records archives of those branches of the military, but as it stands at the moment, three men died on Pad 34 who (according to the military) never existed. :-0 Scott may not have mentioned this, but his father's name was Virgil. He was nicknamed Gus, but the USAF wouldn't have that on his records. As far as they're concerned, no one named Gus Grissom existed in the USAF and they're right. Mary -- Mary Shafer Retired aerospace research engineer |
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