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Old June 9th 09, 09:32 PM posted to sci.space.history,sci.space.policy
Pat Flannery
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Will hit in the South Polar Region:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/06..._lunar_impact/

Pat
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Old June 9th 09, 09:37 PM posted to sci.space.history,sci.space.policy
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On Jun 9, 1:32*pm, Pat Flannery wrote:
Will hit in the South Polar Region:http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/06..._lunar_impact/

Pat


And still after all this time, effort and public investment, there's
not one image of anything Apollo, other than sites of recent impacts
where controlled landings supposedly took place.

~ BG
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Old June 12th 09, 06:07 AM posted to sci.space.history,sci.space.policy
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"KAGUYA"(SELENE), the big flop and nothing Apollo

"KAGUYA"(SELENE) encounters our physically dark and extremely dusty
moon at an angle of just 1 degree, and theres no bounce, skip or
hardly if any gouge, perhaps because the surface of this impact site
was simply way too soft, as in tens of meters deep kind of crystal dry
and electrostatic charged carbonado and basalt dust thats saturated
in all kinds of local minerals (including sodium) plus countless
meteorite deposits.

Lots of terrific private astronomy equipment had to be pointed at the
carefully specified impact site with more than enough resolution and
terrific dynamic range, not to mention the ten fold better stuff at
the disposal of NASA, or the ten fold better yet from team KECK, or
for that matter the greatly improved resolution, dynamic range and
wide spectrum capability from Hubble. Of course at least the HDTV and
its full color spectrum via KAGUYA should have functioned up to a
fraction of a second or a frame or two prior to impact.

Thus far weve got zip/nada/zilch to look at. Way to go JASA, NASA
and other guys.

~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG / Guth Usenet

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Old June 12th 09, 11:37 AM posted to sci.space.history,sci.space.policy
Bob Haller
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Default Japanese Moon probe to impact tomorrow

imagine if they had just left it to detoriate and crash into the
apollo 11 landimg site
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Old June 13th 09, 01:51 AM posted to sci.space.history,sci.space.policy
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The LRO set to launch soon will be a LONG-TERM mission. Slelene COULD
have been one using ion engines and a more proper orbit, or maybe a
few million more yen$. To intentionally build our robots to fail is a
re-hashing and re-manufacturing 'myth' that we can't build ANYTHING to
last longer than 6 months. I reject that outright. Our engineers
need to think and use long lasting material that stands the rigors of
space, and we MUST begin my SHARING what DARPA knows with Academic
Scientists. Otherwise we WILL be screwed when we cross the plane of
the Milky Way Galaxy in 3 years. Earth will look like Mars.

Bah...even the Soviets won't OPENLY at east put a Lunar Orbiter up, I
quess we should be lucky that NASA is putting one up AFTER the X-37B
test flight.

Bob...
http://www.mycommonsensepolitics.net
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Old June 13th 09, 02:59 PM posted to sci.space.history,sci.space.policy
BradGuth
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On Jun 12, 5:51*pm, rhw007 wrote:
The LRO set to launch soon will be a LONG-TERM mission. *Slelene COULD
have been one using ion engines and a more proper orbit, or maybe a
few million more yen$. *To intentionally build our robots to fail is a
re-hashing and re-manufacturing 'myth' that we can't build ANYTHING to
last longer than 6 months. *I reject that outright. *Our engineers
need to think and use long lasting material that stands the rigors of
space, and we MUST begin my SHARING what DARPA knows with Academic
Scientists. *Otherwise we WILL be screwed when we cross the plane of
the Milky Way Galaxy in 3 years. *Earth will look like Mars.

Bah...even the Soviets won't OPENLY at east put a Lunar Orbiter up, I
quess we should be lucky that NASA is putting one up AFTER the X-37B
test flight.

Bob... http://www.mycommonsensepolitics.net


The Soviets also lost all of their R&D pertaining to fly-by-rocket
landers, Guess if you were a rocket scientist of that era, being
unable to document whatever prototypes and their terrestrial fly-by-
rocket testing was the exact same problem that our DARPA and NASA had.

~ BG
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Old June 13th 09, 06:24 AM posted to sci.space.history,sci.space.policy
Pat Flannery
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Default Japanese Moon probe to impact tomorrow



OM wrote:

...Did anyone else's Guthball detector go off when this guy started
posting here?


I still think "Marvin The Martian" is "Space Bombardment Force" under a
new name.
The whole argument style is _very_ similar.
BTW, although far crazier than rhw007, Brad Guth - the very platinum
meter bar of posting craziness, kept somewhere in Geneva in a
nitrogen-filled padded vault - also _spells_ a lot better than rhw007.
"Mi naim is Bond, Jamse Bond." ;-)

Pat
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Old June 13th 09, 12:38 PM posted to sci.space.history,sci.space.policy
Greg D. Moore \(Strider\)
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"bob haller" wrote in message
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imagine if they had just left it to detoriate and crash into the
apollo 11 landimg site



Given the odds, I expect they'd all go out and buy lottery tickets the next
day.

A) the odds of hitting a particular spot on a smooth sphere of that size is
EXTREMELY small.

B) Now, figure the odds of impacting the plain of Mare Tranquillitatis and
NOT hitting a peak on the way is even smaller.



--
Greg Moore
Ask me about lily, an RPI based CMC.

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Old June 13th 09, 02:45 PM posted to sci.space.history,sci.space.policy
BradGuth
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Default Japanese Moon probe to impact tomorrow

On Jun 12, 3:37*am, bob haller wrote:
imagine if they had just left it to detoriate and crash into the
apollo 11 landimg site


You mean the Apollo 11 impact site. If there were a landing sire, as
such there should have be a number of bright and very shiny items that
would have made it easy for the Apollo mission to have recorded a very
bright 10 meter pixel that marked the exact spot, or as of the last 4
months at 50 km would have made that a 5 meter pixel.

~ BG
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Old June 13th 09, 03:01 PM posted to sci.space.history,sci.space.policy
BradGuth
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On Jun 9, 1:32*pm, Pat Flannery wrote:
Will hit in the South Polar Region:http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/06..._lunar_impact/

Pat


JAXA "KAGUYA"(SELENE), the big impact flop and still nothing Apollo,
but who really cares if our DARPA and NASA have been telling us fibs?

"KAGUYA"(SELENE) encounters our physically dark and extremely dusty
moon at an angle of just 1 degree, and theres no bounce, skip or
hardly if any gouge, perhaps because the surface of this impact site
was simply way too soft, as in tens of meters deep kind of crystal dry
and electrostatic charged carbonado and basalt dust thats saturated
in all kinds of local minerals (including sodium) plus countless
meteorite deposits along with their secondary shards.

Lots of terrific private astronomy equipment had to have been pointed
at the carefully specified impact site, with more than enough
resolution and absolutely terrific dynamic range, not to mention the
ten fold better stuff at the disposal of NASA, or the hundred fold
better yet from team KECK, or for that matter the greatly improved
resolution, dynamic range and wide color/hue spectrum capability from
Hubble. Of course at least the HDTV and its full color spectrum via
KAGUYA should have functioned all the way up to a fraction of a second
or a couple frames prior to impact.

And what about all of those better TC (terrain camera) images for the
past 4 months while orbiting at 50 km, of resolution near 5 meters and
exceptional dynamic range?

Thus far weve got zip/nada/zilch to look at. Way to go JAXA, ISAS,
NASA and all you other guys.

Heres an example of what a private astronomer can accomplish.
http://www.avertedimagination.com/moon_1.htm
http://www.avertedimagination.com/latest_1.htm
http://www.avertedimagination.com/im...oon100407.html
http://djsenn.podbean.com/wp-content...on_color_1.jpg

NASA color/hue over-saturated image:
http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/image/0602...chedler_35.jpg

Just imagine what our NASA at 10 fold better can do, and KECK at least
100 fold better, as well as each of these images in full/extended
color saturation along with terrific dynamic range so that mineral
elements and any impact created vapors can be easily imaged and
deductively extrapolated. Not to mention the JAXA/Selene X-Ray
fluorescence spectrometer (XRS) and their Gamma ray spectrometer
(GRS). Im told that Japan has nifty telescopes too, but apparently
theirs are only braille scopes that at best can only detect monochrome
and at **** poor resolution at that. And what about the somewhat
secretive ISRO Chandrayaan-1 mission thats entirely run by 5th
graders that also cant quite figure out how the internet works best?

Of course there is always the warm and fuzzy mainstream swarm and
subsequent damage-control gauntlet of our Usenet/newsgroup battery of
brown-nosed clowns, that by rights should know the physics and the
math of observationology science that's perfectly peer replicated,
even by those of their very own kind that sees nothing wrong with
publishing multiple stacked and false colorized eye-candy, of which
their perpetual denials and obfuscation is what clearly makes them
part of the DARPA and NASA ruse/sting of our mutually perpetrated cold-
war century. Everything they've ever contributed is proof positive of
exactly what they are and of who they represent, because not even 5th
grade morons can be that snookered and dumbfounded past the point of
no return.

So, if not playing some part in a complex conspiracy, then why are
these folks telling us such blatant lies upon lies by way of imposing
such obfuscation (excluding evidence), and by otherwise denial and/or
intentionally suggesting otherwise as to what was never the case?

Ever heard of photographic dynamic range?
Ever heard of bandpass optical filters or coated optics?
Ever heard of using the CCD/CMOS imager spectral range?
Ever hear of using PhotoShop or computer extrapolated images?
Would you like to see some amateur color images of our Selene/moon?
Would you like to see planets along with our moon in the same FOV?
Would you like to see our moon, sun and Venus all in the same FOV?

How about sharing a satellite shot (FOV) of our physically dark but
fully illuminated moon along with the absolutely vibrant and bluish
plus unavoidable UV worth of the Sirius star system?

Are they suggesting that our naked Selene/moon is as highly reflective
and otherwise has no viable minerals or unusual elements and thereby
passive as documented by their Apollo missions, and thus insisting
that nothing of this lunar surface or of anything artificial is the
least bit UV reactive or otherwise capable of generating secondary/
recoil photons of any significant color/hue saturation kind?

In other words, do they really expect us to so easily cave in, as
though we outsiders are something less than preschool worthy and
thereby at best village idiots? (because it really seems to be the
case)

~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG / Guth Usenet
 




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