Thank you, anti-SV folks!

atcaca (RichardN22) wrote in
:

I agree with Jon. If you're going to quote something, you need to
give a source.

The source is so extremely easy to find with google that it is not worth
asking, imho

http://minilien.com/?elDpclVfeO

(no disrespect to Jon, he is indeed one of the most agreable fellows around
here)

Yes, this is a newsgroup, but you do need credibility.

Some of the undoubtly most technically competent posters here have
virtually zero credibility for anything else but a very narrow field.

Please note that the whole thing began because pro-SV lack credibility in
anti-SV people's eyes and vice versa.


There are plenty of nuts spewing goofy opinions. If you're giving
facts, you need to support them or you're going to get raked over the
coals around here.

Hey, that is why it's good to be out there.


--
Pierre Vandevenne - DataRescue - www.datarescue.com
Home of the IDA Pro Disassembler - leader in hostile code analysis
Home of PhotoRescue - risk free data recovery for digital media.

atcaca (RichardN22) wrote in
:

I agree with Jon. If you're going to quote something, you need to
give a source.

The source is so extremely easy to find with google that it is not worth
asking, imho

http://minilien.com/?elDpclVfeO

(no disrespect to Jon, he is indeed one of the most agreable fellows around
here)

Yes, this is a newsgroup, but you do need credibility.

Some of the undoubtly most technically competent posters here have
virtually zero credibility for anything else but a very narrow field.

Please note that the whole thing began because pro-SV lack credibility in
anti-SV people's eyes and vice versa.


There are plenty of nuts spewing goofy opinions. If you're giving
facts, you need to support them or you're going to get raked over the
coals around here.

Hey, that is why it's good to be out there.


--
Pierre Vandevenne - DataRescue - www.datarescue.com
Home of the IDA Pro Disassembler - leader in hostile code analysis
Home of PhotoRescue - risk free data recovery for digital media.

Hi Jon,
You are wright in one repect. Providing a link would have been easy to do
and would have apparently illiminated a lot of unforsen confusion. Lesson
learned.

As far as intent, I can see why you may have felt the way you did but in all
honesty, it just was not a hot topic for me. I was really just trying to
share some info.

Most inportantly, I'll be glad to let this debate end peacefully. As I said,
you seem like a good guy and I look forward to continue reading your posts
on saa.

Clear Skies
Brian A

Hi Jon,
You are wright in one repect. Providing a link would have been easy to do
and would have apparently illiminated a lot of unforsen confusion. Lesson
learned.

As far as intent, I can see why you may have felt the way you did but in all
honesty, it just was not a hot topic for me. I was really just trying to
share some info.

Most inportantly, I'll be glad to let this debate end peacefully. As I said,
you seem like a good guy and I look forward to continue reading your posts
on saa.

Clear Skies
Brian A

Most inportantly, I'll be glad to let this debate end peacefully. As I said,
you seem like a good guy and I look forward to continue reading your posts
on saa.

Clear Skies
Brian A

I will be more than glad to join you in ending this debate/discussion
peacefully, are rare thing ending indeed. I also look forward to reading your
posts on S.A.A.

Best wishes

jon

Most inportantly, I'll be glad to let this debate end peacefully. As I said,
you seem like a good guy and I look forward to continue reading your posts
on saa.

Clear Skies
Brian A

I will be more than glad to join you in ending this debate/discussion
peacefully, are rare thing ending indeed. I also look forward to reading your
posts on S.A.A.

Best wishes

jon

(ValeryD) wrote in message news:
......

Rich,

I dislike Aries' bussines practices because VD sells refurbished
Chromacor as new for full price without disclosure to the buyer.
Vic Maris sells blems on ebay.

David

You simply don't know what is what. If we _exchanged_ the cell,
re-coat the surfaces, assembled and tested it again. It looks absolutely
same as new. No reason to sell them for lower price.


V.D.

Yes, there is a reason. The Ukrainian Law on Consumers Rights
Protection:
The seller should provide to the buyer all necessary information
concerning the goods he sells. So in your situation it is violation of
articles 3 and 12 of the Law.

Article 3 of above mentioned Law determines the following rights of
the consumer: the right for the proper quality of goods and for
necessary and true information concerning the goods. And Article 12
says that the consumer has the right to demand that the quality of
goods that corresponds to the information the seller provides.

Once again my advice - contact the holders of refurbished and testing
units and offer them an exchange or some form of compensation. The
problem would be if you do not know where such units ended. One more
reason for having serial numbers.

David

"David" wrote in message
om...
(ValeryD) wrote in message news:
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Once again my advice - contact the holders of refurbished and testing
units and offer them an exchange or some form of compensation. The
problem would be if you do not know where such units ended. One more
reason for having serial numbers.

David


Just curious and no offense intended, but if that unit, (or a totally
refurbished, like-new Nagler) was in absolutely perfect and like-new
condition, why would the end user care as long as it worked perfectly
and did the job as advertised?

I have seen some people on Astromart pass up a perfectly immaculate
eyepiece, for a great price, because of a tiny barrel mark. I buy
eyepieces, filters, etc to actually use, not to display as a collection
in a glass case on the coffee table. There are quite a few items selling
on Astromart for MORE than original cost because someone wants that
particular piece and can't buy new because they aren't made any more.
Such as the Orion 10.5mm Megavista, and for awhile, the Lumicon UHC
filters. I saw one 1.25" UHC sell for $145. Lots of AP APO's sell for
more than cost because of the waiting list.

Scott

Scott Milner wrote:

I have seen some people on Astromart pass up a perfectly immaculate
eyepiece, for a great price, because of a tiny barrel mark. I buy
eyepieces, filters, etc to actually use, not to display as a collection
in a glass case on the coffee table. There are quite a few items selling
on Astromart for MORE than original cost because someone wants that
particular piece and can't buy new because they aren't made any more.
Such as the Orion 10.5mm Megavista, and for awhile, the Lumicon UHC
filters. I saw one 1.25" UHC sell for $145. Lots of AP APO's sell for
more than cost because of the waiting list.

It is strange, isn't it. Astromart buyers are buying a used astro
products, for use in the field viewing the heavens presumably; yet an
original box is important? What's up with that?

It is strange, isn't it. Astromart buyers are buying a used astro
products, for use in the field viewing the heavens presumably; yet an
original box is important? What's up with that?

Interesting, some how the original box adds something to the completeness of
the sale. I have a couple of thoughts as to its possible meaning:

1. Anyone who was careful enough and organized enough to save the original box
is likely to have taken pretty good care of the eyepiece.

2. The original box makes the eyepiece seem more "new." One can always think,
"It really is new, the guy never used it."

3. Its like Enhanced SCT coatings, most of the justification seems to be "It
will retain its value better.

Jon