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Uniform expanding universe questions.
Pre-amateur astronomer here. Take it easy on me!
I've been told many times that the universe is expanding uniformly since the beginning; all objects are moving away from each other, which makes it seem like every point is the center. Now, I'm not questioning the validity of that statement - though I probably should - because it seems that everything I read/hear says nearly the same thing. With that said, I would like to know (1) how it's possible that galaxies collide if everything is expanding away from everything else, or why we would see blue shifting galaxies at all (Andromeda). (3) If a galaxy 1000 light years from here is moving away from us at 1000 miles per second (for example), and a galaxy 2000 light years away is moving 2000 miles per second away from us, you would only have to get 186000 light years away before the objects are moving away from us as fast as the speed of light, right? That means that on that edge we might eventually see a flicker of their light, but then we'll start seeing less and less of the universe from then on, right? Because that part of the universe is expanding away from us faster than light can travel to us. Well, I can hear the forehead slaps now, just take it easy on me. Thanks, Pope Darren |
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Uniform expanding universe questions.
Dear PopeDarren:
wrote in message ... Pre-amateur astronomer here. Take it easy on me! I've been told many times that the universe is expanding uniformly since the beginning; all objects are moving away from each other, which makes it seem like every point is the center. Now, I'm not questioning the validity of that statement - though I probably should - because it seems that everything I read/hear says nearly the same thing. With that said, I would like to know (1) how it's possible that galaxies collide if everything is expanding away from everything else, or why we would see blue shifting galaxies at all (Andromeda). Expansion (so far) does not affect "gravitationally bound systems". This includes, for example, the Virgo supercluster, of which Andromeda and the Milky Way are members. Missing (2) (3) If a galaxy 1000 light years from here is moving away from us at 1000 miles per second (for example), and a galaxy 2000 light years away is moving 2000 miles per second away from us, you would only have to get 186000 light years away before the objects are moving away from us as fast as the speed of light, right? With that example, yes. That means that on that edge we might eventually see a flicker of their light, but then we'll start seeing less and less of the universe from then on, right? No and yes. Consider that for classical Doppler (sound) the fastest receding "redshift" of sound is x2. The CMBR is redshifted by more than x1000. But much of what we are seeing now, is no longer within our Rindler horizon. Because that part of the universe is expanding away from us faster than light can travel to us. See the old stuff is not moving away from us, as mauch as new space is being created between us. Like salt water taffy between your two hands... sagging, generating longer paths along the taffy between your hands. Well, I can hear the forehead slaps now, just take it easy on me. Why? Just because you are using your brain? That is a good thing. You might want to start he http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/cosmo_01.htm http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/co...y_faq.html#FTL http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/photons_outrun.html Good reading! David A. Smith |
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