CO2 and global warming

On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 12:37:55 GMT, in a place far, far away, "Dave
O'Neill" made the phosphor on my
monitor glow in such a way as to indicate that:


I'd suggest that that isn't "manufacturing" - the US is fine on services but
outside of the aircraft industry I do struggle to think of a manufacturing
sector where US goods are common the world over, not in the same way as, for
example, Japanese or German cars are.

Caterpiller still does a healthy export business.

In sci.space.policy vonroach wrote:
On Sat, 25 Sep 2004 22:17:56 +0000 (UTC), Sander Vesik
wrote:

And it wil probably be resolved by applying ever higher carbon
taxes to non-Kyoto adhering countries until they lowered their
emissions sufficently. And as its not a question of fair but
economic pressure there isno need for complicted calculations
on what to tax.

Sander

Ah now it is clear it is just another foolish socialist notion to be
exploited to raise taxes.


hanx for showing your aptness on talking about things you have
no idea about

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Sander

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Michael Smith wrote:
On Sat, 25 Sep 2004 22:17:56 +0000 (UTC)
Sander Vesik wrote:

And it wil probably be resolved by applying ever higher carbon
taxes to non-Kyoto adhering countries until they lowered their
emissions sufficently. And as its not a question of fair but
economic pressure there isno need for complicted calculations
on what to tax.

The world is not going to be able to impose a carbon tax on countries like the USA and Australia for their carbon producing practices.

I think you are unnecessarily pessimistic on that.


But the atmosphere might just be imposing that carbon tax from Florida in the form of storm damaged infrastructure.


Well, it will take a bit longer until spindoctors run out of excuses...

Suggested reading: Heavy Weather by Bruce Sterling.

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Sander

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h (Rand Simberg) wrote:

No, I readily admit error when I make it, as almost any regular reader
of this forum will tell you. I don't know what "small blunder" you're
referring to.

As "Christopher M. Jones" wrote:

You'll figure it out eventually.

h (Rand Simberg) wrote:

On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 12:37:55 GMT, in a place far, far away, "Dave
O'Neill" made the phosphor on my
monitor glow in such a way as to indicate that:


I'd suggest that that isn't "manufacturing" - the US is fine on services but
outside of the aircraft industry I do struggle to think of a manufacturing
sector where US goods are common the world over, not in the same way as, for
example, Japanese or German cars are.

Caterpiller still does a healthy export business.

Impossible to imagine having this much difficulty finding US
manufacturing predominances 20 or 30 years ago. Just look at the props
your steel industry needs.

The UK is in a similar condition, made worse by a high pound a low
dollar. We too are doing very nicely on the service front - but it
worries me.

Our service industries are based to some extent on new technology, on
domestic stuff like plumbing and mobile phones, and to a large and, so
far, lucrative extent on services to industries in which we used to
predominate.

How long can a service company flourish in a field where none of its
current employees have any direct experience of the industry? The time
is rapidly approaching when the Chinese will not need to put an
American (or UK) name on the cardboard box.

In sci.space.policy Dave O'Neill wrote:
"Christopher M. Jones" wrote in message ...
Dave O'Neill wrote:
What are the US key exported manufactured goods?

(I'm really curious to know)

Automobiles.

Which markets do the US export cars to? At least in Europe GM and
Ford design and build generally completely different models. Does the
US physically export cars and to whom?

Microchips.

Ok.

Sort of OK though - once you look at where the chips are manufactured,
you'll notice locations like Ireland, Germany, Israel, Taiwan, South
Korea and Japan. Sure, there are still US fabs, but the mahority of
the physical chips made by US companies are manufactured elsewhere.
This is especially true for say desktop CPUs.

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Sander

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"Rand Simberg" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 12:37:55 GMT, in a place far, far away, "Dave
O'Neill" made the phosphor on my
monitor glow in such a way as to indicate that:


I'd suggest that that isn't "manufacturing" - the US is fine on services
but
outside of the aircraft industry I do struggle to think of a
manufacturing
sector where US goods are common the world over, not in the same way as,
for
example, Japanese or German cars are.

Caterpiller still does a healthy export business.

They also do a lot of regional manufacture - they're one of the larger
employers still in the North East of England. They've also got a pretty
significant design facility there although how that correlates to the US arm
I have no idea.

I'm always astounded by the vehicles I see on US roads and construction
sites, you don't see them elsewhere, or rather elsewhere that I regularly
travel to (RSA, Oz, Europe, bits of South East Asia) - is it that the US
mostly manufacturers for a domestic market, or that US companies
manufacturer regional products in situe.

Dave

On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 22:08:12 -0700, in a place far, far away, Alain
Fournier made the phosphor on my monitor glow
in such a way as to indicate that:

Is there nothing you won't say rather than admit even a small blunder?


No, I readily admit error when I make it, as almost any regular reader
of this forum will tell you.

Will you admit that there is an error in that post? :-)

In which post?

I still await someone pointing out an actual error in this thread.

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Dave O'Neill wrote:

"Christopher M. Jones" wrote in message ...

Dave O'Neill wrote:

What are the US key exported manufactured goods?

(I'm really curious to know)

Automobiles.


Which markets do the US export cars to?

That would be Canada. Cars built in North America are
mostly built for the North American market. Usually a
car model is built either in the US or in Canada (with
some parts from the other country). So a car factory in
Canada will send about 90% of its production to the
US and a car factory in the US will send 10% of its
production to Canada.

Alain Fournier

Rand Simberg wrote:

On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 22:08:12 -0700, in a place far, far away, Alain
Fournier made the phosphor on my monitor glow
in such a way as to indicate that:


Is there nothing you won't say rather than admit even a small blunder?


No, I readily admit error when I make it, as almost any regular reader
of this forum will tell you.

Will you admit that there is an error in that post? :-)


In which post?

I still await someone pointing out an actual error in this thread.

The post to which I was responding, you know if you look up a
little, the one where you wrote: "No, I readily admit error when I
make it, as almost any regular reader of this forum will tell you."

Alain Fournier