Kazakh space plans

Kazakh Space Plans

ALMATY, Kazakhstan (AP) -- Kazakhstan plans to spend $345 million on its
first space program, the country's prime minister, Daniyal Akhmetov, said
Friday.

Kazakhstan leases the Soviet-built Baikonur space-vehicle launch site,
the world's largest, to Russia. The country's space program will include
launching the country's first satellite.

About $200 million of the funds will be used to build a takeoff site for
a more environmentally friendly launch vehicle in a joint project with
Russia, Akhmetov said in a statement.

The current launch vehicle, the Soyuz, uses poisonous fuel and the
countryside is littered with the debris of burnt-out rocket stages.

Kazakhstan is also training two cosmonauts, one of them scheduled to go
into space in 2006.

Andi Kleen wrote...
"Revision" writes:

The current launch vehicle, the Soyuz, uses poisonous
fuel and the countryside is littered with the debris
of burnt-out rocket stages.

That sounds wrong. Isn't it the Proton who uses the
poisonous fuel?

Yep. Proton uses unsymmetrical di-methyl hydrazine (UDMH) and nitrogen
tetroxide (N2O4) in its first three stages while Soyuz uses liquid oxygen
and kerosene.

The UDMH is pretty toxic.
http://ehp.niehs.nih.gov/roc/tenth/p...s/s077umdh.pdf

- Peter

"Andi Kleen" wrote in message
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That sounds wrong. Isn't it the Proton who uses the poisonous fuel?

The Proton with the neutron uses fuel that is cruel.

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Andi Kleen wrote:
The current launch vehicle, the Soyuz, uses poisonous fuel and the
countryside is littered with the debris of burnt-out rocket stages.

That sounds wrong. Isn't it the Proton who uses the poisonous fuel?

Proton and several other lesser rockets, but not Soyuz.
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-- George Herbert |

"Revision" writes:
The current launch vehicle, the Soyuz, uses poisonous
fuel and the countryside is littered with the debris
of burnt-out rocket stages.

Andi Kleen wrote...
That sounds wrong. Isn't it the Proton who uses the
poisonous fuel?

"Peter Smith" wrote in message ...
Yep. Proton uses unsymmetrical di-methyl hydrazine (UDMH) and nitrogen
tetroxide (N2O4) in its first three stages while Soyuz uses liquid oxygen
and kerosene.

The UDMH is pretty toxic.
http://ehp.niehs.nih.gov/roc/tenth/p...s/s077umdh.pdf

It's correct that Proton's fuel is quite toxic.

As for Soyuz. Actually, to the eyes of 'some people', the use of
kerosene is considered as 'poisonous' and 'enviromentally unfriendly'.
And to some, it says that the use of it will revive a monster named
"Global Warming" (just like on how an atomic blast mutated a dinosaur
into the monster now known as "Gojira"/"Godzilla") that will unleash
an ancient curse known as the "Ice Age", and its other uses also that
if it was burn in a low oxygen enviroment, it will reach an extreme
temperature that is capable of melting or at least bend steel!

Hey, don't ask me, that's what some said about kerosene. The same
people probably want a hydrogen and oxygen combination, despite the
fact that liquid hydrogen is quite expensive, inefficient, and
probably only avaiable through certain suppliers. But then again,
maybe that's the originial intentions.


As for debris of burnt-out rocket stages.

I will assume that this will mean the development of some type of fly
back booster, like Baikal or StarBooster.

- Peter

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EAC wrote:
Hey, don't ask me, that's what some said about kerosene. The same
people probably want a hydrogen and oxygen combination, despite the
fact that liquid hydrogen is quite expensive, inefficient, and
probably only avaiable through certain suppliers...

Not to mention being bad for the ozone layer. (This may be a real issue
for a "hydrogen economy", depending on your estimates of leakage losses.)
Some of the hydrogen gets up past the tropopause "cold trap", which keeps
water vapor out of the stratosphere, before combining with oxygen. The
result is more ice crystals in the stratosphere, and quite a bit of
ozone-destroying chemistry happens much more readily on their surfaces.
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"Think outside the box -- the box isn't our friend." | Henry Spencer
-- George Herbert |

Proton and several other lesser rockets, but not Soyuz.

Okay, the AP reporter got it wrong and it should have been Proton.

The story says that Kazakhstan is going to spend $200 million on a new
launch pad at Baikonur to serve a more environmentally friendly Proton(?)
replacement, and that the replacement rocket is a Kazakh-Russia joint
poject.

The remaining $145 million in the space budget will cover other projects,
including the launch of the first Kazakh satellite. (If you are a
partner in the development of a launcher, you get to launch a payload.)

As for Soyuz. Actually, to the eyes of 'some people', the use of
kerosene is considered as 'poisonous' and 'enviromentally unfriendly'.
And to some, it says that the use of it will revive a monster named
"Global Warming" (just like on how an atomic blast mutated a dinosaur
into the monster now known as "Gojira"/"Godzilla") that will unleash
an ancient curse known as the "Ice Age", and its other uses also that
if it was burn in a low oxygen enviroment, it will reach an extreme
temperature that is capable of melting or at least bend steel!


The ironic thing is that water (or steam rather) is a far more
powerful greenhouse gas than CO2, so all these people going on about
hydrogren "fixing the global warming problem" are running pretty much
on rumour.

And personally, I would be much more afraid of changing the worlds
water cycle than carbon cycle, but that's just me.

Mike.
Nb. I do think the hydrogen economy should and will happen, however
not for environmental reasons.

Mike Jones wrote:

The ironic thing is that water (or steam rather) is a far more
powerful greenhouse gas than CO2, so all these people going on about
hydrogren "fixing the global warming problem" are running pretty much
on rumour.

You could condense it though. Not in the rocket, of course* but in a car.

Pat

* But you give him a week, and William Mook will come up with a way to
do this. :-)

"Scott Hedrick" wrote in message
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"Andi Kleen" wrote in message
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That sounds wrong. Isn't it the Proton who uses the poisonous fuel?

The Proton with the neutron uses fuel that is cruel.



But the A-4 from the war has the Stoff which is off?


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