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Old November 28th 09, 11:21 PM posted to sci.physics,sci.astro,alt.sci.physics
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Default Britain's Drowned World - a Time Team special on climate change

http://www.channel4.com/programmes/t...ls/4od#2922370



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Old November 29th 09, 12:58 PM posted to sci.physics,sci.astro,alt.sci.physics
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7 wrote:
Androcles wrote:

http://www.channel4.com/programmes/t...ls/4od#2922370



It is a deep insult to politicians to be fed BS by holowarming pseudo
scientists with made up data to take public money and spend it on
fabricating dangerous policies that have no basis in fact.

The landscapes that holowarming pseudo scientists are shaping based on
creating and managing public perceptions are dangerous to public
safety.

Where objective science for dams, flood defenses, and river
management is replaced by pseudo science policies like carbon trading
it does nothing for the public and the constituents of politicians
that are going to get killed to satisfy the lust for power and
attention by holowarmers and their pseudo science.


So are you claiming that archaeologists are wrong to say that the area now
under the North Sea and English Channel was dry land 10,000 years ago?
Because that's what the program is about, and the evidence is very clear on
the change of sea levels between 8,000 BC and today, and the nature of that
land and its occupants.

The fact that you seem to have gone off on a tangent indicates that you
didn't even check to see what the program was about before spouting off.

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Old November 29th 09, 07:18 PM posted to sci.physics,sci.astro,alt.sci.physics
Mike Dworetsky
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7 wrote:
Mike Dworetsky wrote:


http://www.channel4.com/programmes/t...ls/4od#2922370


It is a deep insult to politicians to be fed BS by holowarming
pseudo scientists with made up data to take public money and spend
it on fabricating dangerous policies that have no basis in fact.

The landscapes that holowarming pseudo scientists are shaping based
on creating and managing public perceptions are dangerous to public
safety.

Where objective science for dams, flood defenses, and river
management is replaced by pseudo science policies like carbon
trading it does nothing for the public and the constituents of
politicians that are going to get killed to satisfy the lust for
power and attention by holowarmers and their pseudo science.


So are you claiming that archaeologists are wrong to say that the
area now under the North Sea and English Channel was dry land 10,000
years ago? Because that's what the program is about, and the
evidence is very clear on the change of sea levels between 8,000 BC
and today, and the nature of that land and its occupants.

The fact that you seem to have gone off on a tangent indicates that
you didn't even check to see what the program was about before
spouting off.



Are you claiming holowarmers are using real data?
Now there is an inconvenient truth for you!


Your views are not stated clearly except, apparently, that you think there
is an EvilConspiracy(tm) out there and you are a Caped Crusader fighting
against it. Presumably, you think that the world is due for an Ice Age and
so we better keep pumping out the CO2 and CH4 to prevent it. You had a
knee-jerk reaction to a thread *title*, without even checking that the link
is to a TV archaeology program about sea levels and land use c. 10,000 years
ago in the Neolithic. It had nothing whatsoever to do with current events
and "Global Warming".

Oh, and yes, they are using real data. Do you have better data that you
gathered yourself, and can you convince the scientific community that your
data are correct by publishing them in peer-reviewed literature? Stealing
e-mails is not the same thing.

--
Mike Dworetsky

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Old November 29th 09, 07:27 PM posted to sci.physics,sci.astro,alt.sci.physics
Robert Higgins
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Default Britain's Drowned World - a Time Team special on climate change

On Nov 29, 1:18*pm, "Mike Dworetsky"
wrote:
7 wrote:
Mike Dworetsky wrote:


*http://www.channel4.com/programmes/t...ls/4od#2922370


It is a deep insult to politicians to be fed BS by holowarming
pseudo scientists with made up data to take public money and spend
it on fabricating dangerous policies that have no basis in fact.


The landscapes that holowarming pseudo scientists are shaping based
on creating and managing public perceptions are dangerous to public
safety.


Where objective science for dams, flood defenses, and river
management is replaced by pseudo science policies like carbon
trading it does nothing for the public and the constituents of
politicians that are going to get killed to satisfy the lust for
power and attention by holowarmers and their pseudo science.


So are you claiming that archaeologists are wrong to say that the
area now under the North Sea and English Channel was dry land 10,000
years ago? Because that's what the program is about, and the
evidence is very clear on the change of sea levels between 8,000 BC
and today, and the nature of that land and its occupants.


The fact that you seem to have gone off on a tangent indicates that
you didn't even check to see what the program was about before
spouting off.


Are you claiming holowarmers are using real data?
Now there is an inconvenient truth for you!


*Your views are not stated clearly except, apparently, that you think there
is an EvilConspiracy(tm) out there and you are a Caped Crusader fighting
against it. * Presumably, you think that the world is due for an Ice Age


Such was the view of "settled science" in the 1970's. Ask Al Gore.

and
so we better keep pumping out the CO2 and CH4 to prevent it.


The earth can experience significant cooling without an ice age. What
about those pesky volcanoes that keep erutping. What was the climatic
effect of Mt. Pinatubo?

*You had a
knee-jerk reaction to a thread *title*, without even checking that the link
is to a TV archaeology program about sea levels and land use c. 10,000 years
ago in the Neolithic. *It had nothing whatsoever to do with current events
and "Global Warming".

Oh, and yes, they are using real data. *Do you have better data that you
gathered yourself, and can you convince the scientific community that your
data are correct by publishing them in peer-reviewed literature?


Why isn't the Hadley CRU data available to everyone? The problem isn't
the quality of the data, but the interpretation of the data.
Apparently, the computer code for the climate models is so poorly
documented that it is difficult to assess the validity of the output.

*Stealing
e-mails is not the same thing.



--
Mike Dworetsky

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Old November 29th 09, 11:00 PM posted to sci.physics,sci.astro,alt.sci.physics
Mike Dworetsky
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Robert Higgins wrote:
On Nov 29, 1:18 pm, "Mike Dworetsky"
wrote:
7 wrote:
Mike Dworetsky wrote:


http://www.channel4.com/programmes/t...ls/4od#2922370


It is a deep insult to politicians to be fed BS by holowarming
pseudo scientists with made up data to take public money and spend
it on fabricating dangerous policies that have no basis in fact.


The landscapes that holowarming pseudo scientists are shaping
based on creating and managing public perceptions are dangerous
to public safety.


Where objective science for dams, flood defenses, and river
management is replaced by pseudo science policies like carbon
trading it does nothing for the public and the constituents of
politicians that are going to get killed to satisfy the lust for
power and attention by holowarmers and their pseudo science.


So are you claiming that archaeologists are wrong to say that the
area now under the North Sea and English Channel was dry land
10,000 years ago? Because that's what the program is about, and the
evidence is very clear on the change of sea levels between 8,000 BC
and today, and the nature of that land and its occupants.


The fact that you seem to have gone off on a tangent indicates that
you didn't even check to see what the program was about before
spouting off.


Are you claiming holowarmers are using real data?
Now there is an inconvenient truth for you!


Your views are not stated clearly except, apparently, that you think
there is an EvilConspiracy(tm) out there and you are a Caped
Crusader fighting against it. Presumably, you think that the world
is due for an Ice Age


Such was the view of "settled science" in the 1970's. Ask Al Gore.


An Ice Age may eventually occur but is likely to be thousands of years away.
The orbital elements of the Earth and the inclination of the axis are
thought to be involved and these things change slowly.


and
so we better keep pumping out the CO2 and CH4 to prevent it.


The earth can experience significant cooling without an ice age. What
about those pesky volcanoes that keep erutping. What was the climatic
effect of Mt. Pinatubo?


Important but the effect of major eruptions is temporary.


You had a
knee-jerk reaction to a thread *title*, without even checking that
the link is to a TV archaeology program about sea levels and land
use c. 10,000 years ago in the Neolithic. It had nothing whatsoever
to do with current events and "Global Warming".

Oh, and yes, they are using real data. Do you have better data that
you gathered yourself, and can you convince the scientific community
that your data are correct by publishing them in peer-reviewed
literature?


Why isn't the Hadley CRU data available to everyone? The problem isn't
the quality of the data, but the interpretation of the data.
Apparently, the computer code for the climate models is so poorly
documented that it is difficult to assess the validity of the output.


You'll have to take that up with them.


Stealing
e-mails is not the same thing.


--
Mike Dworetsky

(Remove pants sp*mbl*ck to reply)

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Old November 29th 09, 11:02 PM posted to sci.physics,sci.astro,alt.sci.physics
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On Nov 29, 10:27*am, Robert Higgins
wrote:

(snip to the crash)

Why isn't the Hadley CRU data available to everyone?


Because much of the original data were discarded (beware line wrap):

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/c...eneration.html

"They have come up with every possible excuse for concealing the
background data on which their findings and temperature records were
based.

"This in itself has become a major scandal, not least Dr Jones's
refusal to release the basic data from which the CRU derives its
hugely influential temperature record, which culminated last summer in
his startling claim that much of the data from all over the world had
simply got "lost". Most incriminating of all are the emails in which
scientists are advised to delete large chunks of data, which, when
this is done after receipt of a freedom of information request, is a
criminal offence. "

Only the reduced data are left (think "hockey stick" and Hansen's
GISS), and that's only available because of Liberal-backed Freedom Of
Information laws designed to prevent government agencies from "keeping
the truth from the people". Talk about unintended consequences...

The problem isn't
the quality of the data, but the interpretation of the data.

Apparently, the computer code for the climate models is so poorly
documented that it is difficult to assess the validity of the output.


"What is tragically evident from the Harry Read Me file is the
picture it gives of the CRU scientists hopelessly at sea with the
complex computer programmes they had devised to contort their data in
the approved direction, more than once expressing their own
desperation at how difficult it was to get the desired results. "

*Stealing e-mails is not the same thing.


ITYM "whistle-blowing".

AGW isn't science, it's pure polemics.


Mark L. Fergerson
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Old December 3rd 09, 01:37 AM posted to sci.physics,sci.astro,alt.sci.physics
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" wrote in message

...
On Nov 29, 10:27 am, Robert Higgins
wrote:

(snip to the crash)

(snip)

ITYM "whistle-blowing".

AGW isn't science, it's pure polemics.


Mark L. Fergerson


And, in todays news.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o83XM...layer_embedded



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Old December 3rd 09, 01:49 AM posted to sci.physics,sci.astro,alt.sci.physics
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"Vince Morgan" wrote in message
u...

" wrote in message

...
On Nov 29, 10:27 am, Robert Higgins
wrote:

(snip to the crash)

(snip)

ITYM "whistle-blowing".

AGW isn't science, it's pure polemics.


Mark L. Fergerson


And, in todays news.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o83XM...layer_embedded

A tip: you don't need the "&feature=player_embedded",
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o83XMMl9Yzc
is enough.


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Old December 3rd 09, 03:19 AM posted to sci.physics,sci.astro,alt.sci.physics
Vince Morgan[_2_]
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"Androcles" wrote in message
news

"Vince Morgan" wrote in message
u...

" wrote in message

...
On Nov 29, 10:27 am, Robert Higgins
wrote:

(snip to the crash)

(snip)

ITYM "whistle-blowing".

AGW isn't science, it's pure polemics.


Mark L. Fergerson


And, in todays news.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o83XM...layer_embedded

A tip: you don't need the "&feature=player_embedded",
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o83XMMl9Yzc
is enough.


Thank you Andro, much appreciated,
Vince


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Old December 3rd 09, 03:28 AM posted to sci.physics,sci.astro,alt.sci.physics
Vince Morgan[_2_]
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"Mike Dworetsky" wrote in message
...
7 wrote:
Mike Dworetsky wrote:


http://www.channel4.com/programmes/t...ls/4od#2922370


It is a deep insult to politicians to be fed BS by holowarming
pseudo scientists with made up data to take public money and spend
it on fabricating dangerous policies that have no basis in fact.

The landscapes that holowarming pseudo scientists are shaping based
on creating and managing public perceptions are dangerous to public
safety.

Where objective science for dams, flood defenses, and river
management is replaced by pseudo science policies like carbon
trading it does nothing for the public and the constituents of
politicians that are going to get killed to satisfy the lust for
power and attention by holowarmers and their pseudo science.

So are you claiming that archaeologists are wrong to say that the
area now under the North Sea and English Channel was dry land 10,000
years ago? Because that's what the program is about, and the
evidence is very clear on the change of sea levels between 8,000 BC
and today, and the nature of that land and its occupants.

The fact that you seem to have gone off on a tangent indicates that
you didn't even check to see what the program was about before
spouting off.



Are you claiming holowarmers are using real data?
Now there is an inconvenient truth for you!


Your views are not stated clearly except, apparently, that you think

there
is an EvilConspiracy(tm) out there and you are a Caped Crusader fighting
against it. Presumably, you think that the world is due for an Ice Age

and
so we better keep pumping out the CO2 and CH4 to prevent it. You had a
knee-jerk reaction to a thread *title*, without even checking that the

link
is to a TV archaeology program about sea levels and land use c. 10,000

years
ago in the Neolithic. It had nothing whatsoever to do with current events
and "Global Warming".

Oh, and yes, they are using real data. Do you have better data that you
gathered yourself, and can you convince the scientific community that your
data are correct by publishing them in peer-reviewed literature? Stealing
e-mails is not the same thing.

--

"the scientific community"? You represent the scientific community?
Stealing emails is stealing. That's a crime. Falsifying data is fraud, at
the very least, and that too is a crime. Commiting one crime to expose
another is not exactly an ideal method of achieving a just outcome, but it
certainly did open some eyes and minds that would have continued to sleep
otherwise.


 




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