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Old January 29th 04, 07:59 PM
Shawn D Wheeler
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Given the response the last place I tried to post this (they simply
removed it and refused to let anyone comment on it). I must be coming
across in the worst possible light. First, let me just say I知
HORRIBLY undereducated in this subject. I realize that questioning
established theories like the Big Bang must seem like the height of
arrogance to those who have dedicated there lives to this. In fact it
may even seem like a bad joke. I apologize for this.
I知 not presuming to put forth that this idea might be right. I知
simply asking someone with the proper credentials. To find the mercy
in their heart, to take 10 minutes to explain in simple terms why
this idea is wrong.
If by some miracle I might be on to something, perhaps you could tell
me where to go in order to further the idea.
This idea is based on Lorentz space-time. Let us suppose for a second
that the force of the big bang was sufficient to throw all mater in
the universe outwards at speeds of approximately
999,999,999/1,000,000,000c(this is a number I知 estimating in my head
the actual number might be considerably different). To a traveler
moving at these speeds time would dilate to somewhere around
500,000,000yrs for the traveling inertial frame, for every second, of
the rest inertial frame.
Given that scientist have recently estimated the age of the universe
to be around 13-14 billion years old, that would make the age of the
universe to the rest inertial frame about 30 seconds (once again just
estimating). Which seems to me what you would expect to observe if
you where watching any powerful explosion in the void of space. Or to
put it another way, if it where possible to view the entirety of the
universes light cone from an outside perspective. The observer would
note that the whole thing was over in a mater of seconds.
Is there any validity to this line of thought? If there is not, might
I ask why not? I welcome all input on the subject. Once again I
apologize for my ignorance, but an answer on this subject would allow
me to quit thinking about it. That, I would appreciate immensely.

This is where I got my information on Lorentz space-time
http://www.fourmilab.ch/cship/timedial.html



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Old January 29th 04, 08:54 PM
carlp
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I do not think you were being ignored, is anyone really qualified to give
an answer, there are many lines of thought on the BH. and the big bang, many
big bangs,
your question probably terrified them.


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Old January 29th 04, 09:23 PM
Greg Neill
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"Shawn D Wheeler" wrote in message
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If by some miracle I might be on to something, perhaps you could tell
me where to go in order to further the idea.
This idea is based on Lorentz space-time. Let us suppose for a second
that the force of the big bang was sufficient to throw all mater in
the universe outwards at speeds of approximately
999,999,999/1,000,000,000c(this is a number I知 estimating in my head
the actual number might be considerably different).


The Big Bang was not an explosion of matter into space.
It was an explosion (creation) of space itself, the radiation
and matter just went along for the ride.

During what is called the inflation era, space expanded at
such a rate that regions separated at many, many times
the speed of light.

To a traveler
moving at these speeds time would dilate to somewhere around
500,000,000yrs for the traveling inertial frame, for every second, of
the rest inertial frame.


What rest frame? The Big Bang occurred *everywhere* at once.
There is no rest frame that the "explosion" occurred in.
In other words, every observer at every location throughout
the universe can view themselves as being at rest at the
center of the universe (more or less, ignoring local velocities
due to gravitational interactions amongst local constituents).


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Old January 30th 04, 05:05 AM
Edward Smith
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To a traveler
moving at these speeds time would dilate to somewhere around
500,000,000yrs for the traveling inertial frame, for every second, of
the rest inertial frame.
Given that scientist have recently estimated the age of the universe
to be around 13-14 billion years old, that would make the age of the
universe to the rest inertial frame about 30 seconds (once again just
estimating). Which seems to me what you would expect to observe if
you where watching any powerful explosion in the void of space. Or to
put it another way, if it where possible to view the entirety of the
universes light cone from an outside perspective. The observer would
note that the whole thing was over in a mater of seconds.
Is there any validity to this line of thought? If there is not, might
I ask why not? I welcome all input on the subject. Once again I
apologize for my ignorance, but an answer on this subject would allow
me to quit thinking about it. That, I would appreciate immensely.


A couple of things. First, Einstein said that time dilation was
relative. It was not really possible to tell who was moving fast and
who was sitting still.

However, leaving this rather confusing paradox aside, the big problem
with your argument is that time moves SLOWER for the traveling frame,
not faster. You have your numbers exactly reversed (I didn't do the
math, I'll take your word for it). For every second that passes in
the traveling frame, a very long time would pass in the rest frame.
This makes the universe very much OLDER in the rest frame, not
younger.
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Old January 30th 04, 02:59 PM
Shawn D Wheeler
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First just let me say, thanks for taking the time to respond, and
thanks for rectifying my ignorance, without insulting my
intelligence. Though I might try to debate some of the other points.
There is no denying that I had my time dilation, backwards. I feel a
bit stupid for not realizing that I guess it was a case of me just
not wanting to see, what I didn稚 want to see. Once again I am
thankful that you could understand that just because a man can't
build an engine, it doesn't mean he's stupid, it just means he痴 not
a mechanic. I am not an idiot, though obviously, I知 no physicist :P
In any case if I haven稚 tried your patience too much I知 sure I can
come up with a few more stupid questions...lol

One last time, THANKS, as I am a programmer, maybe I can help one of
you guys with a computer problem some time



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