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The Battle for Marjah: US Must Win with Both Hands Tied Behind it's Back
"Ray O'Hara" wrote in message ... Fighting an illegal colonial war with our hands tied behind our back? Legitimacy only flows from the people. Tell me, exactly how do the Afghan people in and around Marjah feel about this offensive? What were the poll results? When was it debated and by who? Was there a referendum, and what were the results? The UN, and common decency, has ruled it legal for us to attempt to return the ability of the Afghan people to make those decisions by themselves. To return the country to the people of Afghanistan and out of the hands of 10th century Lords of Repression and Drugs. The huge oil and gas reserves around the Caspian are of global importance (second to the Middle East === thus war on Iraq). Afghanistan is a transit route to Pakistan, India and China. You can control levers of power if you have some control over the gas and oil flows so you have bargaining power over or can even hold back increasing power of Russia, China, India and Pakistan. Afghanistan has huge quantities of valuable minerals that have not been mined. Those arguments have some weight with Iraq, but Afghanistan is a black hole where nations throw their national treasures and reputations into, never to be seen again. It's the /last place on earth/ a colonial power would see as 'juicy pickings'. In any event you fail to see the very simple tactic President Bush used in deciding for Iraq. We decided to take on the worst ....first. With the very sound logic that winning that first battle means winning the rest becomes inevitable. Marjah is equally important for the battle of Afghanistan. Win this, and it's all downhill from here. In a nutshell it's a geopolitical war of greed and global power, with the Afghans as pawns and victims. Therefore we need and want military bases in and around Afghanistan We have military bases almost everywhere. Plenty. What we want is to establish the domino effect within Islam. Where one dictatorship after another falls to democracy. The domino effect only works with things people...want, democracy. Not with dictatorships. And the Iranians are next. It doesn't matter how dovish or professional any US administration may be, democracies are drawn to busting up dictatorships like moths to a flame. As you can see happening in Iran today, dictatorships must constantly escalate tensions with the outside world in order to prevent losing the support of the people. Which is a timeless flaw, or viscous cycle, inherent in almost any rigid command structure.Which is true in most dictatorships of any kind, economic, military or religious. Doesn't matter, in the end they all go out in a blaze of glory as a result. Only democracy can bring long term stability, prosperity and hope. And yes, that is in our national, geopolitical, military and economic self interest. Which is why conflict with dictatorships are inevitable. s |
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The Battle for Marjah: US Must Win with Both Hands Tied Behind it's Back
"Jonathan" wrote in message ... "Ray O'Hara" wrote in message ... Fighting an illegal colonial war with our hands tied behind our back? Legitimacy only flows from the people. Tell me, exactly how do the Afghan people in and around Marjah feel about this offensive? What were the poll results? When was it debated and by who? Was there a referendum, and what were the results? The UN, and common decency, has ruled it legal for us to attempt to return the ability of the Afghan people to make those decisions by themselves. To return the country to the people of Afghanistan and out of the hands of 10th century Lords of Repression and Drugs. The huge oil and gas reserves around the Caspian are of global importance (second to the Middle East === thus war on Iraq). Afghanistan is a transit route to Pakistan, India and China. You can control levers of power if you have some control over the gas and oil flows so you have bargaining power over or can even hold back increasing power of Russia, China, India and Pakistan. Afghanistan has huge quantities of valuable minerals that have not been mined. Those arguments have some weight with Iraq, but Afghanistan is a black hole where nations throw their national treasures and reputations into, never to be seen again. It's the /last place on earth/ a colonial power would see as 'juicy pickings'. In any event you fail to see the very simple tactic President Bush used in deciding for Iraq. We decided to take on the worst ....first. With the very sound logic that winning that first battle means winning the rest becomes inevitable. Marjah is equally important for the battle of Afghanistan. Win this, and it's all downhill from here. In a nutshell it's a geopolitical war of greed and global power, with the Afghans as pawns and victims. Therefore we need and want military bases in and around Afghanistan We have military bases almost everywhere. Plenty. What we want is to establish the domino effect within Islam. Where one dictatorship after another falls to democracy. The domino effect only works with things people...want, democracy. Not with dictatorships. And the Iranians are next. It doesn't matter how dovish or professional any US administration may be, democracies are drawn to busting up dictatorships like moths to a flame. As you can see happening in Iran today, dictatorships must constantly escalate tensions with the outside world in order to prevent losing the support of the people. Which is a timeless flaw, or viscous cycle, inherent in almost any rigid command structure.Which is true in most dictatorships of any kind, economic, military or religious. Doesn't matter, in the end they all go out in a blaze of glory as a result. Only democracy can bring long term stability, prosperity and hope. And yes, that is in our national, geopolitical, military and economic self interest. Which is why conflict with dictatorships are inevitable. if you are going to snip everything I wrote and leave something someone wlse wrote then please remove my name. you have committed a usenet faux pas. I'll assume you just made a mistake this time and refrain from using terms like "you crazy ****-head" and "****stain" but I do ask you be more careful in the future. |
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The Battle for Marjah: US Must Win with Both Hands Tied Behind it's Back
"Jonathan" wrote in message ... Legitimacy only flows from the people. Tell me, exactly how do the Afghan people in and around Marjah feel about this offensive? That's easy. They'd like the very loud bangs to stop, please, right now... The UN, and common decency, has ruled it legal for us to attempt to return the ability of the Afghan people to make those decisions by themselves. Return? When did the people of Afghanistan ever have that right? We have military bases almost everywhere. Plenty. What we want is to establish the domino effect within Islam. Where one dictatorship after another falls to democracy. The domino effect only works with things people...want, democracy. Not with dictatorships. The Taliban is not a dictatorship. -- William Black I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach Time for tea. |
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The Battle for Marjah: US Must Win with Both Hands Tied Behind it's Back
"Ray O'Hara" wrote in message ... if you are going to snip everything I wrote and leave something someone wlse wrote then please remove my name. you have committed a usenet faux pas. Ya one too many indentations there, I wasn't paying attention. |
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The Battle for Marjah: US Must Win with Both Hands Tied Behind it's Back
"Jonathan" wrote in message ... I think Islamic extremism is mostly funded by Iran and the heroin trade. Everyone else thinks it is funded by Saudi Arabia and oil. Iran is Shia, the Afghans are mostly Sunni, they'd much rather kill each other than anyone else. -- William Black I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach Time for tea. |
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The Battle for Marjah: US Must Win with Both Hands Tied Behind it's Back
"William Black" wrote in message ... "Jonathan" wrote in message ... Legitimacy only flows from the people. Tell me, exactly how do the Afghan people in and around Marjah feel about this offensive? That's easy. They'd like the very loud bangs to stop, please, right now... The UN, and common decency, has ruled it legal for us to attempt to return the ability of the Afghan people to make those decisions by themselves. Return? When did the people of Afghanistan ever have that right? We have military bases almost everywhere. Plenty. What we want is to establish the domino effect within Islam. Where one dictatorship after another falls to democracy. The domino effect only works with things people...want, democracy. Not with dictatorships. The Taliban is not a dictatorship. What is it? its certainly not a republican form of government. a theoracy is a type of dictatorship |
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The Battle for Marjah: US Must Win with Both Hands Tied Behind it's Back
"Ray O'Hara" wrote in message ... "William Black" wrote in message ... "Jonathan" wrote in message ... Legitimacy only flows from the people. Tell me, exactly how do the Afghan people in and around Marjah feel about this offensive? That's easy. They'd like the very loud bangs to stop, please, right now... The UN, and common decency, has ruled it legal for us to attempt to return the ability of the Afghan people to make those decisions by themselves. Return? When did the people of Afghanistan ever have that right? We have military bases almost everywhere. Plenty. What we want is to establish the domino effect within Islam. Where one dictatorship after another falls to democracy. The domino effect only works with things people...want, democracy. Not with dictatorships. The Taliban is not a dictatorship. What is it? its certainly not a republican form of government. a theoracy is a type of dictatorship It appears to have a sort of collective leadership that functions well if it takes hits. You know. Like the military. Now it can be safely assumed that this military leadership talks to some sort of theocratic council because, unless there's an emergent religious leader who claims sovereignty, that's how Islam runs things when it's in power. That's assuming we're facing a monolithic enemy, which we may not be... A lot of what the media is calling 'The Taliban' is just the locals behaving as they always have when a foreign army turns up. A Pathan military leader leads the men he has with him, he traditionally takes no tactical orders from anyone and finds his own finance and weapons. I have seen no evidence of anything different happening yet. The idea that the disparate warring tribes of Afghanistan have a unified leadership is absurd. A lot of the tribes (and clans within those tribes) would much rather shoot at each other than an invading army, which is probably where we're getting some of our 'friends' from. -- William Black I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach Time for tea. |
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The Battle for Marjah: US Must Win with Both Hands Tied Behindit's Back
Ray O'Hara wrote:
"William Black" wrote in message {snip} The Taliban is not a dictatorship. What is it? its certainly not a republican form of government. a theoracy is a type of dictatorship From the outside the Taliban feels like a group of war lords. Andrew Swallow |
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The Battle for Marjah: US Must Win with Both Hands Tied Behind it's Back
"Andrew Swallow" wrote in message ... Ray O'Hara wrote: "William Black" wrote in message {snip} The Taliban is not a dictatorship. What is it? its certainly not a republican form of government. a theoracy is a type of dictatorship From the outside the Taliban feels like a group of war lords. No no no... That's our side... -- William Black I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach Time for tea. |
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The Battle for Marjah: US Must Win with Both Hands Tied Behindit's Back
On Feb 17, 4:27*am, "William Black"
wrote: "Andrew Swallow" wrote in message ... Ray O'Hara wrote: "William Black" wrote in message {snip} The Taliban is not a dictatorship. *What is it? its certainly not a republican form of government. a theoracy is a type of dictatorship From the outside the Taliban feels like a group of war lords. No no no... That's our side... -- William Black I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate All these moments will be lost in time, *like icecream on the beach Time for tea. Seems more like what Americans call a "Yard Sale", everyone participates until the profits start to dwindle. |
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