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  #1  
Old December 18th 12, 04:38 PM posted to sci.physics.relativity,sci.physics,alt.astronomy,sci.astro
mpc755
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Default Aether has mass

This guy has it figured out. He understands the faster the object
moves through a super-fluid ideal relativistic ether of general
relativity the greater the relativistic mass of the object.

'Fluidic Electrodynamics: On parallels between electromagnetic and
fluidic inertia'
http://arxiv.org/abs/1202.4611

"It is shown that the force exerted on a particle by an ideal fluid
produces two effects: i) resistance to acceleration and, ii) an
increase of mass with velocity. ... The interaction between the
particle and the entrained space flow gives rise to the observed
properties of inertia and the relativistic increase of
mass. ...Accordingly, in this framework the non resistance of a
particle in uniform motion through an ideal fluid (DAlemberts
paradox) corresponds to Newtons first law. The law of inertia
suggests that the physical vacuum can be modeled as an ideal fluid,
agreeing with the space-time ideal fluid approach from general
relativity."
  #2  
Old December 18th 12, 05:25 PM posted to sci.physics.relativity,sci.physics,alt.astronomy,sci.astro
mpc755
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Default Aether has mass

On Dec 18, 11:38*am, mpc755 wrote:
This guy has it figured out. He understands the faster the object
moves through a super-fluid ideal relativistic ether of general
relativity the greater the relativistic mass of the object.

'Fluidic Electrodynamics: On parallels between electromagnetic and
fluidic inertia'http://arxiv.org/abs/1202.4611

"It is shown that the force exerted on a particle by an ideal fluid
produces two effects: i) resistance to acceleration and, ii) an
increase of mass with velocity. ... The interaction between the
particle and the entrained space flow gives rise to the observed
properties of inertia and the relativistic increase of
mass. ...Accordingly, in this framework the non resistance of a
particle in uniform motion through an ideal fluid (DAlemberts
paradox) corresponds to Newtons first law. The law of inertia
suggests that the physical vacuum can be modeled as an ideal fluid,
agreeing with the space-time ideal fluid approach from general
relativity."


"This means that the particle will be subject to a perfect pressure
recovery at the rear that will equal the pressure rise at the front,
resulting in zero net drag."

This is what I refer to as the displaced aether 'displacing back'.
There is no loss of energy in the interaction of the particle and the
aether. Whatever energy the particle requires to displace the aether
the aether returns to the object as the aether 'displaces back'.
  #3  
Old December 18th 12, 05:36 PM posted to sci.physics.relativity,sci.physics,alt.astronomy,sci.astro
American
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Default Aether has mass

On Dec 18, 11:38*am, mpc755 wrote:
This guy has it figured out. He understands the faster the object
moves through a super-fluid ideal relativistic ether of general
relativity the greater the relativistic mass of the object.

'Fluidic Electrodynamics: On parallels between electromagnetic and
fluidic inertia'http://arxiv.org/abs/1202.4611

"It is shown that the force exerted on a particle by an ideal fluid
produces two effects: i) resistance to acceleration and, ii) an
increase of mass with velocity. ... The interaction between the
particle and the entrained space flow gives rise to the observed
properties of inertia and the relativistic increase of
mass. ...Accordingly, in this framework the non resistance of a
particle in uniform motion through an ideal fluid (DAlemberts
paradox) corresponds to Newtons first law. The law of inertia
suggests that the physical vacuum can be modeled as an ideal fluid,
agreeing with the space-time ideal fluid approach from general
relativity."


Again your idea of "aether" provides another exacerbated illustration
by always defining properties of aether that are both massfree and
massful, which is a contradiction of terms. This completely obfuscates
and diminishes the importance of having mass-free interactions, in
order to design a dynamic with which interstellar space can become
navigated, especially at superluminal velocity.

I doubt there is a preferred frequency, wavelength, and/or
metallurgical option that a bowling ball might have, in order to
navigate interstellar space frictionless, in order to render its speed
constant through infinite distance, as long as there is nothing to
block its path. That's just *common sense*.

But can "push" aether help to accelerate a bowling ball beyond
lightspeed? That is a question worth investigating. What properties of
a greater "push" can become manifested by either changing the
properties of the mass being immersed in aether, or how can the
properties of aether be taylored to "push back" in vacua, greater in
volume than the mass doing the volumetric displacement?

I'll leave you with this. Here are some of my own theories, that take
into account the use of having a continuous "back-reaction", that you
may have been alluding to in some of your posts, but without having
the tendency to get into some of the more curious details:

http://zeropoint.dreamstation.com/Qu...n%20Theory.htm

If the above cannot be dealt with reasonably, then the disconnect will
always exist between the subatomic and superatomic world, and IMO -
quite purposefully - for the sake of preserving (your own?) scientific
mystery, which would probably haunt the next generation onwards.

Aether purists will have to evolve their science to include mass-free,
non-relativistic interaction, or the notion of time for them, will
remain frozen inside the photon - in other words, trapped for
eternity! IMO any civilization intent on having two classes - one,
completely bloodlusting and parasitic over the other - might also
contemporarily help to form their own generationally evil disconnect,
between anything that might align their [parasite's] definition of
what 'superatomic world' should become "best" at scientific/
subliminally coexisting with, or eternally projecting their own,
worthless "forgiveness template" on the backs of the ignorant masses,
with a more [parasitically] controlled, and scientific/subliminally
programmed, subatomic world.

Why should there be any reason why the present time will NOT become
written and regarded in future history books as nothing but the
darkest age in human history?
  #4  
Old December 18th 12, 05:44 PM posted to sci.physics.relativity,sci.physics,alt.astronomy,sci.astro
mpc755
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Default Aether has mass

On Dec 18, 12:36*pm, American wrote:
On Dec 18, 11:38*am, mpc755 wrote:









This guy has it figured out. He understands the faster the object
moves through a super-fluid ideal relativistic ether of general
relativity the greater the relativistic mass of the object.


'Fluidic Electrodynamics: On parallels between electromagnetic and
fluidic inertia'http://arxiv.org/abs/1202.4611


"It is shown that the force exerted on a particle by an ideal fluid
produces two effects: i) resistance to acceleration and, ii) an
increase of mass with velocity. ... The interaction between the
particle and the entrained space flow gives rise to the observed
properties of inertia and the relativistic increase of
mass. ...Accordingly, in this framework the non resistance of a
particle in uniform motion through an ideal fluid (DAlemberts
paradox) corresponds to Newtons first law. The law of inertia
suggests that the physical vacuum can be modeled as an ideal fluid,
agreeing with the space-time ideal fluid approach from general
relativity."


Again your idea of "aether" provides another exacerbated illustration
by always defining properties of aether that are both massfree and
massful, which is a contradiction of terms. This completely obfuscates
and diminishes the importance of having mass-free interactions, in
order to design a dynamic with which interstellar space can become
navigated, especially at superluminal velocity.

I doubt there is a preferred frequency, wavelength, and/or
metallurgical option that a bowling ball might have, in order to
navigate interstellar space frictionless, in order to render its speed
constant through infinite distance, as long as there is nothing to
block its path. That's just *common sense*.

But can "push" aether help to accelerate a bowling ball beyond
lightspeed? That is a question worth investigating. What properties of
a greater "push" can become manifested by either changing the
properties of the mass being immersed in aether, or how can the
properties of aether be taylored to "push back" in vacua, greater in
volume than the mass doing the volumetric displacement?

I'll leave you with this. Here are some of my own theories, that take
into account the use of having a continuous "back-reaction", that you
may have been alluding to in some of your posts, but without having
the tendency to get into some of the more curious details:

http://zeropoint.dreamstation.com/Qu...opulsion%20The...

If the above cannot be dealt with reasonably, then the disconnect will
always exist *between the subatomic and superatomic world, and IMO -
quite purposefully - for the sake of preserving (your own?) scientific
mystery, which would probably haunt the next generation onwards.

Aether purists will have to evolve their science to include mass-free,
non-relativistic interaction, or the notion of time for them, will
remain frozen inside the photon - in other words, trapped for
eternity! *IMO any civilization intent on having two classes - one,
completely bloodlusting and parasitic over the other - might also
contemporarily help to form their own generationally evil disconnect,
between anything that might align their [parasite's] definition of
what 'superatomic world' should become "best" at scientific/
subliminally coexisting with, or eternally projecting their own,
worthless "forgiveness template" on the backs of the ignorant masses,
with a more [parasitically] controlled, and scientific/subliminally
programmed, subatomic world.

Why should there be any reason why the present time will NOT become
written and regarded in future history books as nothing but the
darkest age in human history?


Aether has mass. Aether physically occupies three dimensional space.
Aether is physically displaced by the objects which exist in and move
through it.

'Fluidic Electrodynamics: On parallels between electromagnetic and
fluidic inertia'
http://arxiv.org/abs/1202.4611

"This means that the particle will be subject to a perfect pressure
recovery at the rear that will equal the pressure rise at the front,
resulting in zero net drag."

This is what I refer to as the displaced aether 'displacing back'.
There is no loss of energy in the interaction of the particle and the
aether. Whatever energy the particle requires to displace the aether
the aether returns to the object as the aether 'displaces back'.
  #5  
Old December 18th 12, 05:52 PM posted to sci.physics.relativity,sci.physics,alt.astronomy,sci.astro
Brad Guth[_3_]
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Default Aether has mass

On Dec 18, 9:36*am, American wrote:
On Dec 18, 11:38*am, mpc755 wrote:









This guy has it figured out. He understands the faster the object
moves through a super-fluid ideal relativistic ether of general
relativity the greater the relativistic mass of the object.


'Fluidic Electrodynamics: On parallels between electromagnetic and
fluidic inertia'http://arxiv.org/abs/1202.4611


"It is shown that the force exerted on a particle by an ideal fluid
produces two effects: i) resistance to acceleration and, ii) an
increase of mass with velocity. ... The interaction between the
particle and the entrained space flow gives rise to the observed
properties of inertia and the relativistic increase of
mass. ...Accordingly, in this framework the non resistance of a
particle in uniform motion through an ideal fluid (DAlemberts
paradox) corresponds to Newtons first law. The law of inertia
suggests that the physical vacuum can be modeled as an ideal fluid,
agreeing with the space-time ideal fluid approach from general
relativity."


Again your idea of "aether" provides another exacerbated illustration
by always defining properties of aether that are both massfree and
massful, which is a contradiction of terms. This completely obfuscates
and diminishes the importance of having mass-free interactions, in
order to design a dynamic with which interstellar space can become
navigated, especially at superluminal velocity.

I doubt there is a preferred frequency, wavelength, and/or
metallurgical option that a bowling ball might have, in order to
navigate interstellar space frictionless, in order to render its speed
constant through infinite distance, as long as there is nothing to
block its path. That's just *common sense*.

But can "push" aether help to accelerate a bowling ball beyond
lightspeed? That is a question worth investigating. What properties of
a greater "push" can become manifested by either changing the
properties of the mass being immersed in aether, or how can the
properties of aether be taylored to "push back" in vacua, greater in
volume than the mass doing the volumetric displacement?

I'll leave you with this. Here are some of my own theories, that take
into account the use of having a continuous "back-reaction", that you
may have been alluding to in some of your posts, but without having
the tendency to get into some of the more curious details:

http://zeropoint.dreamstation.com/Qu...opulsion%20The...

If the above cannot be dealt with reasonably, then the disconnect will
always exist *between the subatomic and superatomic world, and IMO -
quite purposefully - for the sake of preserving (your own?) scientific
mystery, which would probably haunt the next generation onwards.

Aether purists will have to evolve their science to include mass-free,
non-relativistic interaction, or the notion of time for them, will
remain frozen inside the photon - in other words, trapped for
eternity! *IMO any civilization intent on having two classes - one,
completely bloodlusting and parasitic over the other - might also
contemporarily help to form their own generationally evil disconnect,
between anything that might align their [parasite's] definition of
what 'superatomic world' should become "best" at scientific/
subliminally coexisting with, or eternally projecting their own,
worthless "forgiveness template" on the backs of the ignorant masses,
with a more [parasitically] controlled, and scientific/subliminally
programmed, subatomic world.

Why should there be any reason why the present time will NOT become
written and regarded in future history books as nothing but the
darkest age in human history?


Hypervelocity stars being flung through and even out of our galaxy at
1500 km/sec should give us a good look-see at whatever aether
displacement is involved, if any.

The realm of subatomic aether is another matter which mpc755 hasn't
delivered sufficiently good science or analogies on such matters.
  #6  
Old December 18th 12, 06:03 PM posted to sci.physics.relativity,sci.physics,alt.astronomy,sci.astro
mpc755
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Default Aether has mass

On Dec 18, 12:52*pm, Brad Guth wrote:
On Dec 18, 9:36*am, American wrote:









On Dec 18, 11:38*am, mpc755 wrote:


This guy has it figured out. He understands the faster the object
moves through a super-fluid ideal relativistic ether of general
relativity the greater the relativistic mass of the object.


'Fluidic Electrodynamics: On parallels between electromagnetic and
fluidic inertia'http://arxiv.org/abs/1202.4611


"It is shown that the force exerted on a particle by an ideal fluid
produces two effects: i) resistance to acceleration and, ii) an
increase of mass with velocity. ... The interaction between the
particle and the entrained space flow gives rise to the observed
properties of inertia and the relativistic increase of
mass. ...Accordingly, in this framework the non resistance of a
particle in uniform motion through an ideal fluid (DAlemberts
paradox) corresponds to Newtons first law. The law of inertia
suggests that the physical vacuum can be modeled as an ideal fluid,
agreeing with the space-time ideal fluid approach from general
relativity."


Again your idea of "aether" provides another exacerbated illustration
by always defining properties of aether that are both massfree and
massful, which is a contradiction of terms. This completely obfuscates
and diminishes the importance of having mass-free interactions, in
order to design a dynamic with which interstellar space can become
navigated, especially at superluminal velocity.


I doubt there is a preferred frequency, wavelength, and/or
metallurgical option that a bowling ball might have, in order to
navigate interstellar space frictionless, in order to render its speed
constant through infinite distance, as long as there is nothing to
block its path. That's just *common sense*.


But can "push" aether help to accelerate a bowling ball beyond
lightspeed? That is a question worth investigating. What properties of
a greater "push" can become manifested by either changing the
properties of the mass being immersed in aether, or how can the
properties of aether be taylored to "push back" in vacua, greater in
volume than the mass doing the volumetric displacement?


I'll leave you with this. Here are some of my own theories, that take
into account the use of having a continuous "back-reaction", that you
may have been alluding to in some of your posts, but without having
the tendency to get into some of the more curious details:


http://zeropoint.dreamstation.com/Qu...opulsion%20The...


If the above cannot be dealt with reasonably, then the disconnect will
always exist *between the subatomic and superatomic world, and IMO -
quite purposefully - for the sake of preserving (your own?) scientific
mystery, which would probably haunt the next generation onwards.


Aether purists will have to evolve their science to include mass-free,
non-relativistic interaction, or the notion of time for them, will
remain frozen inside the photon - in other words, trapped for
eternity! *IMO any civilization intent on having two classes - one,
completely bloodlusting and parasitic over the other - might also
contemporarily help to form their own generationally evil disconnect,
between anything that might align their [parasite's] definition of
what 'superatomic world' should become "best" at scientific/
subliminally coexisting with, or eternally projecting their own,
worthless "forgiveness template" on the backs of the ignorant masses,
with a more [parasitically] controlled, and scientific/subliminally
programmed, subatomic world.


Why should there be any reason why the present time will NOT become
written and regarded in future history books as nothing but the
darkest age in human history?


Hypervelocity stars being flung through and even out of our galaxy at
1500 km/sec should give us a good look-see at whatever aether
displacement is involved, if any.

The realm of subatomic aether is another matter which mpc755 hasn't
delivered sufficiently good science or analogies on such matters.


The Milky Way's halo is the state of displacement of the aether.

'Milky Way's halo more squished than spherical'
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34735679.../#.TjkpbmDmE2c

The Milky Way's halo is what is referred to as the curvature of
spacetime.

What is referred to as the curvature of spacetime is the state of
displacement of the aether.

Displaced aether pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward
matter is gravity.
  #7  
Old December 18th 12, 10:54 PM posted to sci.physics.relativity,sci.physics,alt.astronomy,sci.astro
Brad Guth[_3_]
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Posts: 15,175
Default Aether has mass

On Dec 18, 10:03*am, mpc755 wrote:
On Dec 18, 12:52*pm, Brad Guth wrote:









On Dec 18, 9:36*am, American wrote:


On Dec 18, 11:38*am, mpc755 wrote:


This guy has it figured out. He understands the faster the object
moves through a super-fluid ideal relativistic ether of general
relativity the greater the relativistic mass of the object.


'Fluidic Electrodynamics: On parallels between electromagnetic and
fluidic inertia'http://arxiv.org/abs/1202.4611


"It is shown that the force exerted on a particle by an ideal fluid
produces two effects: i) resistance to acceleration and, ii) an
increase of mass with velocity. ... The interaction between the
particle and the entrained space flow gives rise to the observed
properties of inertia and the relativistic increase of
mass. ...Accordingly, in this framework the non resistance of a
particle in uniform motion through an ideal fluid (DAlemberts
paradox) corresponds to Newtons first law. The law of inertia
suggests that the physical vacuum can be modeled as an ideal fluid,
agreeing with the space-time ideal fluid approach from general
relativity."


Again your idea of "aether" provides another exacerbated illustration
by always defining properties of aether that are both massfree and
massful, which is a contradiction of terms. This completely obfuscates
and diminishes the importance of having mass-free interactions, in
order to design a dynamic with which interstellar space can become
navigated, especially at superluminal velocity.


I doubt there is a preferred frequency, wavelength, and/or
metallurgical option that a bowling ball might have, in order to
navigate interstellar space frictionless, in order to render its speed
constant through infinite distance, as long as there is nothing to
block its path. That's just *common sense*.


But can "push" aether help to accelerate a bowling ball beyond
lightspeed? That is a question worth investigating. What properties of
a greater "push" can become manifested by either changing the
properties of the mass being immersed in aether, or how can the
properties of aether be taylored to "push back" in vacua, greater in
volume than the mass doing the volumetric displacement?


I'll leave you with this. Here are some of my own theories, that take
into account the use of having a continuous "back-reaction", that you
may have been alluding to in some of your posts, but without having
the tendency to get into some of the more curious details:


http://zeropoint.dreamstation.com/Qu...opulsion%20The....


If the above cannot be dealt with reasonably, then the disconnect will
always exist *between the subatomic and superatomic world, and IMO -
quite purposefully - for the sake of preserving (your own?) scientific
mystery, which would probably haunt the next generation onwards.


Aether purists will have to evolve their science to include mass-free,
non-relativistic interaction, or the notion of time for them, will
remain frozen inside the photon - in other words, trapped for
eternity! *IMO any civilization intent on having two classes - one,
completely bloodlusting and parasitic over the other - might also
contemporarily help to form their own generationally evil disconnect,
between anything that might align their [parasite's] definition of
what 'superatomic world' should become "best" at scientific/
subliminally coexisting with, or eternally projecting their own,
worthless "forgiveness template" on the backs of the ignorant masses,
with a more [parasitically] controlled, and scientific/subliminally
programmed, subatomic world.


Why should there be any reason why the present time will NOT become
written and regarded in future history books as nothing but the
darkest age in human history?


Hypervelocity stars being flung through and even out of our galaxy at
1500 km/sec should give us a good look-see at whatever aether
displacement is involved, if any.


The realm of subatomic aether is another matter which mpc755 hasn't
delivered sufficiently good science or analogies on such matters.


The Milky Way's halo is the state of displacement of the aether.

'Milky Way's halo more squished than spherical'http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34735679/ns/technology_and_science-space/...

The Milky Way's halo is what is referred to as the curvature of
spacetime.

What is referred to as the curvature of spacetime is the state of
displacement of the aether.

Displaced aether pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward
matter is gravity.


That's only your interpretation. Can you get one other serious
scientist or physics wizard to concur with "displaced aether pushing
back and exerting inward pressure toward matter is gravity"?
  #8  
Old December 19th 12, 03:03 AM posted to sci.physics.relativity,sci.physics,alt.astronomy,sci.astro
mpc755
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Posts: 818
Default Aether has mass

On Dec 18, 5:54*pm, Brad Guth wrote:
On Dec 18, 10:03*am, mpc755 wrote:









On Dec 18, 12:52*pm, Brad Guth wrote:


On Dec 18, 9:36*am, American wrote:


On Dec 18, 11:38*am, mpc755 wrote:


This guy has it figured out. He understands the faster the object
moves through a super-fluid ideal relativistic ether of general
relativity the greater the relativistic mass of the object.


'Fluidic Electrodynamics: On parallels between electromagnetic and
fluidic inertia'http://arxiv.org/abs/1202.4611


"It is shown that the force exerted on a particle by an ideal fluid
produces two effects: i) resistance to acceleration and, ii) an
increase of mass with velocity. ... The interaction between the
particle and the entrained space flow gives rise to the observed
properties of inertia and the relativistic increase of
mass. ...Accordingly, in this framework the non resistance of a
particle in uniform motion through an ideal fluid (D’Alembert’s
paradox) corresponds to Newton’s first law. The law of inertia
suggests that the physical vacuum can be modeled as an ideal fluid,
agreeing with the space-time ideal fluid approach from general
relativity."


Again your idea of "aether" provides another exacerbated illustration
by always defining properties of aether that are both massfree and
massful, which is a contradiction of terms. This completely obfuscates
and diminishes the importance of having mass-free interactions, in
order to design a dynamic with which interstellar space can become
navigated, especially at superluminal velocity.


I doubt there is a preferred frequency, wavelength, and/or
metallurgical option that a bowling ball might have, in order to
navigate interstellar space frictionless, in order to render its speed
constant through infinite distance, as long as there is nothing to
block its path. That's just *common sense*.


But can "push" aether help to accelerate a bowling ball beyond
lightspeed? That is a question worth investigating. What properties of
a greater "push" can become manifested by either changing the
properties of the mass being immersed in aether, or how can the
properties of aether be taylored to "push back" in vacua, greater in
volume than the mass doing the volumetric displacement?


I'll leave you with this. Here are some of my own theories, that take
into account the use of having a continuous "back-reaction", that you
may have been alluding to in some of your posts, but without having
the tendency to get into some of the more curious details:


http://zeropoint.dreamstation.com/Qu...opulsion%20The...


If the above cannot be dealt with reasonably, then the disconnect will
always exist *between the subatomic and superatomic world, and IMO -
quite purposefully - for the sake of preserving (your own?) scientific
mystery, which would probably haunt the next generation onwards.


Aether purists will have to evolve their science to include mass-free,
non-relativistic interaction, or the notion of time for them, will
remain frozen inside the photon - in other words, trapped for
eternity! *IMO any civilization intent on having two classes - one,
completely bloodlusting and parasitic over the other - might also
contemporarily help to form their own generationally evil disconnect,
between anything that might align their [parasite's] definition of
what 'superatomic world' should become "best" at scientific/
subliminally coexisting with, or eternally projecting their own,
worthless "forgiveness template" on the backs of the ignorant masses,
with a more [parasitically] controlled, and scientific/subliminally
programmed, subatomic world.


Why should there be any reason why the present time will NOT become
written and regarded in future history books as nothing but the
darkest age in human history?


Hypervelocity stars being flung through and even out of our galaxy at
1500 km/sec should give us a good look-see at whatever aether
displacement is involved, if any.


The realm of subatomic aether is another matter which mpc755 hasn't
delivered sufficiently good science or analogies on such matters.


The Milky Way's halo is the state of displacement of the aether.


'Milky Way's halo more squished than spherical'http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34735679/ns/technology_and_science-space/...


The Milky Way's halo is what is referred to as the curvature of
spacetime.


What is referred to as the curvature of spacetime is the state of
displacement of the aether.


Displaced aether pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward
matter is gravity.


That's only your interpretation. *Can you get one other serious
scientist or physics wizard to concur with "displaced aether pushing
back and exerting inward pressure toward matter is gravity"?


The following article describes a 'back reaction' associated with the
"fluidic" nature of space itself. This is the displaced aether
'displacing back'.

'An Extended Dynamical Equation of Motion, Phase Dependency and
Inertial Backreaction'
http://arxiv.org/abs/1208.3458

"We hypothesize that space itself resists such surges according to a
kind of induction law (related to inertia); additionally, we provide
further evidence of the “fluidic” nature of space itself."

The aether is, or behaves similar to, a superfluid with properties of
a solid, a supersolid, which is described in the article as the
'fluidic' nature of space itself. The 'back-reaction' described in the
article is the displaced aether pushing back and exerting inward
pressure toward the matter.

The following article describes the aether as an incompressible fluid
resulting in what the article refers to as gravitational aether caused
by pressure (or vorticity).

'Phenomenology of Gravitational Aether as a solution to the Old
Cosmological Constant Problem'
http://arxiv.org/abs/1106.3955

"One proposal to address this puzzle at the semi-classical level is to
decouple quantum vacuum from space-time geometry via a modification of
gravity that includes an incompressible fluid, known as Gravitational
Aether. In this paper, we discuss classical predictions of this theory
along with its compatibility with cosmological and experimental tests
of gravity. We argue that deviations from General Relativity (GR) in
this theory are sourced by pressure or vorticity."

The following article describes gravity as a pressure exerted by
aether toward matter.

'The aether-modified gravity and the G ̈del metric'
http://arxiv.org/pdf/1109.5654v2

"As for the pressure, it is equal to p = 53−αg,6a2 so, it is positive
if αg 3 which is the weaker condition than the previous one. One
notes that the results corresponding to the usual gravity are easily
recovered. Also, it is easy to see that the interval αg 15
corresponds to the usual matter."

The following article describes a gravitating vacuum where aether is
the quantum vacuum of the 21-st century.

'From Analogue Models to Gravitating Vacuum'
http://arxiv.org/pdf/1111.1155

"The aether of the 21-st century is the quantum vacuum, which is a new
form of matter. This is the real substance"

The following articles describe what is presently postulated as dark
matter is aether.

'Quantum aether and an invariant Planck scale'
http://arxiv.org/abs/1110.3753

"this version of aether may have some bearing on the abundance of Dark
Matter and Dark Energy in our universe."

"mass of the aether"

'Scalars, Vectors and Tensors from Metric-Affine Gravity'
http://arxiv.org/pdf/1110.5168

"the model obtained here gets closer to the aether theory of , which
is shown therein to be an alternative to the cold dark matter."

'Unified model for dark matter and quintessence'
http://arxiv.org/pdf/physics/0610135

"Superfluid dark matter is reminiscent of the aether and modeling the
universe using superfluid aether is compatible."

'Vainshtein mechanism in Gauss-Bonnet gravity and Galileon aether'
http://arxiv.org/pdf/1107.1892

"the perturbations of the scalar field do not propagate in the
Minkowski space-time but rather in some form of ”aether” because of
the presence of the background field"

'On the super-fluid property of the relativistic physical vacuum
medium and the inertial motion of particles'
http://arxiv.org/abs/gr-qc/0701155

"In this paper we shall show that the relativistic physical vacuum
medium as a ubiquitous back ground field is a super fluid medium."

In the following article the faster the object moves through the super-
fluid ideal relativistic ether from general relativity the greater the
relativistic mass of the object.

'Fluidic Electrodynamics: On parallels between electromagnetic and
fluidic inertia'
http://arxiv.org/abs/1202.4611

"It is shown that the force exerted on a particle by an ideal fluid
produces two effects: i) resistance to acceleration and, ii) an
increase of mass with velocity. ... The interaction between the
particle and the entrained space flow gives rise to the observed
properties of inertia and the relativistic increase of mass. ...
Accordingly, in this framework the non resistance of a particle in
uniform motion through an ideal fluid (D’Alembert’s paradox)
corresponds to Newton’s first law. The law of inertia suggests that
the physical vacuum can be modeled as an ideal fluid, agreeing with
the space-time ideal fluid approach from general relativity."
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Old December 19th 12, 05:15 AM posted to sci.physics.relativity,sci.physics,alt.astronomy,sci.astro
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On Dec 19, 2:03*pm, mpc755 wrote:
On Dec 18, 5:54*pm, Brad Guth wrote:









On Dec 18, 10:03*am, mpc755 wrote:


On Dec 18, 12:52*pm, Brad Guth wrote:


On Dec 18, 9:36*am, American wrote:


On Dec 18, 11:38*am, mpc755 wrote:


This guy has it figured out. He understands the faster the object
moves through a super-fluid ideal relativistic ether of general
relativity the greater the relativistic mass of the object.


'Fluidic Electrodynamics: On parallels between electromagnetic and
fluidic inertia'http://arxiv.org/abs/1202.4611


"It is shown that the force exerted on a particle by an ideal fluid
produces two effects: i) resistance to acceleration and, ii) an
increase of mass with velocity. ... The interaction between the
particle and the entrained space flow gives rise to the observed
properties of inertia and the relativistic increase of
mass. ...Accordingly, in this framework the non resistance of a
particle in uniform motion through an ideal fluid (D’Alembert’s
paradox) corresponds to Newton’s first law. The law of inertia
suggests that the physical vacuum can be modeled as an ideal fluid,
agreeing with the space-time ideal fluid approach from general
relativity."


Again your idea of "aether" provides another exacerbated illustration
by always defining properties of aether that are both massfree and
massful, which is a contradiction of terms. This completely obfuscates
and diminishes the importance of having mass-free interactions, in
order to design a dynamic with which interstellar space can become
navigated, especially at superluminal velocity.


I doubt there is a preferred frequency, wavelength, and/or
metallurgical option that a bowling ball might have, in order to
navigate interstellar space frictionless, in order to render its speed
constant through infinite distance, as long as there is nothing to
block its path. That's just *common sense*.


But can "push" aether help to accelerate a bowling ball beyond
lightspeed? That is a question worth investigating. What properties of
a greater "push" can become manifested by either changing the
properties of the mass being immersed in aether, or how can the
properties of aether be taylored to "push back" in vacua, greater in
volume than the mass doing the volumetric displacement?


I'll leave you with this. Here are some of my own theories, that take
into account the use of having a continuous "back-reaction", that you
may have been alluding to in some of your posts, but without having
the tendency to get into some of the more curious details:


http://zeropoint.dreamstation.com/Qu...opulsion%20The...


If the above cannot be dealt with reasonably, then the disconnect will
always exist *between the subatomic and superatomic world, and IMO -
quite purposefully - for the sake of preserving (your own?) scientific
mystery, which would probably haunt the next generation onwards.


Aether purists will have to evolve their science to include mass-free,
non-relativistic interaction, or the notion of time for them, will
remain frozen inside the photon - in other words, trapped for
eternity! *IMO any civilization intent on having two classes - one,
completely bloodlusting and parasitic over the other - might also
contemporarily help to form their own generationally evil disconnect,
between anything that might align their [parasite's] definition of
what 'superatomic world' should become "best" at scientific/
subliminally coexisting with, or eternally projecting their own,
worthless "forgiveness template" on the backs of the ignorant masses,
with a more [parasitically] controlled, and scientific/subliminally
programmed, subatomic world.


Why should there be any reason why the present time will NOT become
written and regarded in future history books as nothing but the
darkest age in human history?


Hypervelocity stars being flung through and even out of our galaxy at
1500 km/sec should give us a good look-see at whatever aether
displacement is involved, if any.


The realm of subatomic aether is another matter which mpc755 hasn't
delivered sufficiently good science or analogies on such matters.


The Milky Way's halo is the state of displacement of the aether.


'Milky Way's halo more squished than spherical'http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34735679/ns/technology_and_science-space/...


The Milky Way's halo is what is referred to as the curvature of
spacetime.


What is referred to as the curvature of spacetime is the state of
displacement of the aether.


Displaced aether pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward
matter is gravity.


That's only your interpretation. *Can you get one other serious
scientist or physics wizard to concur with "displaced aether pushing
back and exerting inward pressure toward matter is gravity"?


The following article describes a 'back reaction' associated with the
"fluidic" nature of space itself. This is the displaced aether
'displacing back'.

'An Extended Dynamical Equation of Motion, Phase Dependency and
Inertial Backreaction'http://arxiv.org/abs/1208.3458

"We hypothesize that space itself resists such surges according to a
kind of induction law (related to inertia); additionally, we provide
further evidence of the “fluidic” nature of space itself."

The aether is, or behaves similar to, a superfluid with properties of
a solid, a supersolid, which is described in the article as the
'fluidic' nature of space itself. The 'back-reaction' described in the
article is the displaced aether pushing back and exerting inward
pressure toward the matter.

The following article describes the aether as an incompressible fluid
resulting in what the article refers to as gravitational aether caused
by pressure (or vorticity).

'Phenomenology of Gravitational Aether as a solution to the Old
Cosmological Constant Problem'http://arxiv.org/abs/1106.3955

"One proposal to address this puzzle at the semi-classical level is to
decouple quantum vacuum from space-time geometry via a modification of
gravity that includes an incompressible fluid, known as Gravitational
Aether. In this paper, we discuss classical predictions of this theory
along with its compatibility with cosmological and experimental tests
of gravity. We argue that deviations from General Relativity (GR) in
this theory are sourced by pressure or vorticity."

The following article describes gravity as a pressure exerted by
aether toward matter.

'The aether-modified gravity and the G ̈del metric'http://arxiv.org/pdf/1109.5654v2

"As for the pressure, it is equal to p = 53−αg,6a2 so, it is positive
if αg 3 which is the weaker condition than the previous one. One
notes that the results corresponding to the usual gravity are easily
recovered. Also, it is easy to see that the interval αg 15
corresponds to the usual matter."

The following article describes a gravitating vacuum where aether is
the quantum vacuum of the 21-st century.

'From Analogue Models to Gravitating Vacuum'http://arxiv.org/pdf/1111.1155

"The aether of the 21-st century is the quantum vacuum, which is a new
form of matter. This is the real substance"

The following articles describe what is presently postulated as dark
matter is aether.

'Quantum aether and an invariant Planck scale'http://arxiv.org/abs/1110.3753

"this version of aether may have some bearing on the abundance of Dark
Matter and Dark Energy in our universe."

"mass of the aether"

'Scalars, Vectors and Tensors from Metric-Affine Gravity'http://arxiv.org/pdf/1110.5168

"the model obtained here gets closer to the aether theory of , which
is shown therein to be an alternative to the cold dark matter."

'Unified model for dark matter and quintessence'http://arxiv.org/pdf/physics/0610135

"Superfluid dark matter is reminiscent of the aether and modeling the
universe using superfluid aether is compatible."

'Vainshtein mechanism in Gauss-Bonnet gravity and Galileon aether'http://arxiv.org/pdf/1107.1892

"the perturbations of the scalar field do not propagate in the
Minkowski space-time but rather in some form of ”aether” because of
the presence of the background field"

'On the super-fluid property of the relativistic physical vacuum
medium and the inertial motion of particles'http://arxiv.org/abs/gr-qc/0701155

"In this paper we shall show that the relativistic physical vacuum
medium as a ubiquitous back ground field is a super fluid medium."

In the following article the faster the object moves through the super-
fluid ideal relativistic ether from general relativity the greater the
relativistic mass of the object.

'Fluidic Electrodynamics: On parallels between electromagnetic and
fluidic inertia'http://arxiv.org/abs/1202.4611

"It is shown that the force exerted on a particle by an ideal fluid
produces two effects: i) resistance to acceleration and, ii) an
increase of mass with velocity. ... The interaction between the
particle and the entrained space flow gives rise to the observed
properties of inertia and the relativistic increase of mass. ...
Accordingly, in this framework the non resistance of a particle in
uniform motion through an ideal...

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If space is an aether, then why can't sound waves displace in it ?

-y
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Old December 19th 12, 07:21 AM posted to sci.physics.relativity,sci.physics,alt.astronomy,sci.astro
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On Dec 19, 12:15*am, Y wrote:

If space is an aether, then why can't sound waves displace in it ?

-y


http://www.foxnews.com/science/2012/...vacuum-theory/

"A group of students are carrying out an experiment in space to settle
once and for all the validity of the long-held theory that sound
cannot be heard in a vacuum."
 




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