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SETI/OSETI LL-1 Galactic Drifter prototype
With regards to the topic of our sending out a super-fast deep space
probe for obtaining a better SETI/OSETI look-see, and otherwise for the perfectly honorable intentions of transmitting various packets that'll inform ETs that we too exist. Perhaps we need to start this sort of effort a little closer to home, especially since photons travel so much faster and more efficiently than anything physical. Galactic Drifter SETI (update): http://galacticdrifter.blogspot.com/ http://groups.google.com/group/sci.s...2753733d89dca6 gds; Additional info at http://groups.myspace.com/galacticdrifterseti Such a exploritory transponder/beacon craft need not be nearly as large as previously thought, and if it were to be using the Ra--LRn--Rn--ion as it's 1600 year half life thruster that's offering a fairly terrific Isp and of subsequent hefty ion exit velocity, as such should not prevent the craft from easily exceeding the 450 km/s mark, especially once getting itself past the Sol/Sirius Lagrange waypoint of mutual nullification, whereas from that point on the terrific gravity influence of the Sirius/ab potential, and taking advantage of the much less populated ISM, should rather quickly make 3,000 km/s into a done deal, passing through the Sirius star/solar system at perhaps 30,000 km/s. "William Elliot" wrote in message et.com We'd be very stupid to attract attention of alien civilization. It's better to sneak up on them to know how much nice resource of theirs we can get and how well armed they are. Imagine the disaster should some hyper-commercial mega-exploitive technological advanced uncivilized Bu****e race like US were to discover our lush, trivially defended and media mesmerized Earth. After all their hard work obtaining whole Earth ownership, to be disposed by some little gay green aliens of their rightful loot. Aaaarrrrgggghhhh, even CEO options with be confiscated by alien unworthies. I personally don't believe it's nearly as interspecies risky business as some of us obviously think. Sending out our SOS beacons of various microwave formats and also via highly focused and thus carefully targeted laser cannon packets is perfectly doable and otherwise extremely signal efficient from within the extremely nearby LL-1 zone. Therefore a nearby station-keeping transponder and many other science worthy platform duties can multitask it's little self to death if need be. If our ongoing space exploration push comes down to shove, I'm thinking we can hold our own. After all, if ETs were merely half as smart as us, and thereby having instead of waging continual wars over their few remaining resources of yellowcake, oil and coal, nor having wasted trillions upon trillions per decade after decade by way of having perpetrated various cold-wars, and of otherwise by not having staged phony baloney space explorations to places where DNA as we know it can't possibly survive, whereas at perhaps not even 10% the equivalent investment of our ongoing 911/Iraq fiasco that has no apparent light at the end of it's tunnel, as such they'd already be kicking our sorry butts, and summarily taking whatever they damn well felt like taking. Venusian Cathars (good or bad) or perhaps as merely exoskeletal heathens, or even via those of their visiting ETs, are not likely to impose that much of a threat compared to ourselves. Do any of you folks honestly think ETs that are smart enough for their having accomplished interstellar/interplanetary travel would ever have to bother with inventing an excuse of our having WMD, before invading us? What sort of ET in their right mind would so much as dare to become infected with the incest of human and other forms of badly mutated DNA, much of which having become insurmountably lethal to our own kind, and then to what supposed advanced civilization of ETs would so much as dare allow one of their own kind back into the fold once having been infected with Earth ??? Do Ets ever use infomercial-science or have to depend upon those conditional laws of physics as they wag-thy-dogs? If so, why? Why would any ET or halfwhit intelligent creator that's worth their salt, that's in any way capable of terraforming or simply extending their reach onto another world or moon that's worth the effort, ever need to learn of or otherwise benefit from our extensive pagan expertise in bigotry, arrogance and greed? Is there such a thing as an over-population problem for space traveling ETs? In the past we've tried the various "sneaking up on them" methods as practiced on our own kind, and upon the sorts of folks that weren't supposed to be half as smart as our resident LLPOF warlord(GW Bush), and thus far it hasn't quite worked according to plan. It seems we can't even manage to sneak up on Castro nor that of an Iraqi oil well, much less Usama bin Laden. Therefore, what chance in hell have we against ETs? Secondly, of any supposed "hyper-commercial mega-exploitive technological advanced uncivilized Bu****e race like US" could be rather easily taken out by way of merely inviting them to go quail hunting with our very own WMD/(lose cannon) Dick Cheney, or we could always depend upon setting a good example by way of using our Rumsfeld and Cheney approved methods of inhumane torture. Perhaps our pathetic and somewhat irrational antics will cause ETs to laugh themselves to death. - "If you're not looking for the truth, you will not find it." -Brad Guth "To believe with certainty we must begin with doubting." -Stanislaus I "The real voyage of discovery consists not in seeking new landscapes, but having new eyes." -Marcel Proust "Truth is given, not to be contemplated, but to be done. Life is an action, not a thought." -F.W. Robertson ~ Even grumpy old Kurt Vonnegut would have to agree that; WAR is WAR, thus "in war there are no rules" - In fact, war has been the very reason why honest folks are having to deal with the likes of others that haven't been exactly playing by whatever the supposed rules, such as our resident LLPOF warlord(GW Bush) having invented WMD seems to come to mind. Life upon Venus, a township w/Bridge & ET/UFO Park-n-Ride Tarmac: http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-town.htm The Russian/China LSE-CM/ISS (Lunar Space Elevator) http://guthvenus.tripod.com/lunar-space-elevator.htm Venus ETs, plus the updated sub-topics; Brad Guth / GASA-IEIS http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-topics.htm -- Posted via Mailgate.ORG Server - http://www.Mailgate.ORG |
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SETI/OSETI LL-1 Galactic Drifter prototype
Wow! This anti-think-tank of a naysay Usenet from hell doesn't get much
better than this, does it. - Brad Guth -- Posted via Mailgate.ORG Server - http://www.Mailgate.ORG |
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SETI/OSETI LL-1 Galactic Drifter prototype
Wow! Thank God that this anti-think-tank of such a wussy naysay Usenet
from hell doesn't get much better off than this, does it. Contribute whatever's of a direct solid benefit to the cause and all of the sudden those SETI/OSETI lights go out. - Brad Guth -- Posted via Mailgate.ORG Server - http://www.Mailgate.ORG |
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Can't talk honest science, much less physics-101 logic within SETI/OSETI
without taking a butt load of their status quo flak. Thus any serious SETI/OSETI platform within the moon's L-1 zone is still taboo/nondisclosure. That's too bad, because of how energy efficient and multi-tasking effective such a science platform would have been as of decades ago, and at not 10% the cost of one of our hocus-pocus Apollo missions. The matter of fact(s) that our moon is physically, electrostatically and radioactively as hot if not hotter and nastier as any badlands worth of whatever our Van Allen belts have to deliver, to the extent of that lunar environment being far more than somewhat DNA and otherwise physically lethal, is further proof upon so much other evidence of how badly we've been lied to by our own kind. Gee whiz, what a total surprise, whereas when has that ever happened before? I see that this topic as well as our "Earth w/o Magnetosphere, w/o Moon" and being "Global Warmed to Death via moon" has no apparent meaning within Usenet's infomercial-science, nor that of Usenet's conditional-physics that has to follow suit, or else. Apparently infomercial-history makes the little mater of our moon having once upon a time given Earth a physical impact or two, and having provided a few teratonnes worth of it's salty ice, as well as that of an ongoing energy impact upon our global warming fiasco is almost as pointless as is that of honestly discussing our failing magnetosphere, or much less the prospects of the China/Russian LSE-CM/ISS which essentially represents the absolute ultimate holy grail of high ground. I guess the laws of Usenet physics are simply once again based upon the usual space-toilet skewed format of their typical brown-nosed minion's mindset of infomercial-science, that which must always dictate as to whatever those conditional laws of physics must thereby and at all cost represent. No wonder Ed Conrads's 280 million year old man that's every bit as old as coal doesn't stand a chance, any more so than the truth and nothing but the global warming truth as having been recently so nicely articulated by Roger Coppock, as well as by countless others that are simply refusing to being further snookered into their being continually dumbfounded. Too bad the scientific matter of replicated facts proves that I'm being more than sufficiently right. It also proves that the rest of you naysay folks of the mainstream status quo are just deathly afraid of your own perpetrated cold-war shadows. Thankfully, the smarts and wisdom of China and Russia are soon going to kick serious science butt, as they leave us in their moon dust and well outside the ream of whatever their Venus has to behold. - Brad Guth -- Posted via Mailgate.ORG Server - http://www.Mailgate.ORG |
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Wow! Even to suggest fast little space probes as Earth's messengers
that could have been rather easily accomplished as of decades ago, as being fully interstellar capable are still SETI/OSETI nondisclosure, as well as remaining topic/author taboo. In that case, intelligent other life as having been existing/coexisting on Venus may be absolute hell, but otherwise it's technically doable. Unlike the near vacuum, rather easily pulverised and TBI worthy of being such a DNA lethal environment of Mars, or of that much nastier IR/FIR plus gamma and hard-X-ray environment of our physically dark and extremely electrostatic dusty moon, whereas that otherwise toasty environment of the newish planetology of Venus can be safely worked, and accomplished rather quickly while at a mere fraction of the cost is just icing on the cake. Further proof being the silly banishment and/or outright bashing this topic and anything else I've contributed gets summarily trashed by those that should know better. Complex Meteorology at Venus (Venus Express) http://groups.google.com/group/sci.s...de22fbd03fdc31 http://www.esa.int/SPECIALS/Venus_Ex...5OV74TE_0.html "The thermal radiation coming from the oven-hot surface of Venus is represented by the intensity of the colours: the brighter the colour (towards white), the more radiation comes from the surface, so the less cloudy the region in the line of sight between the view and the spacecraft is." At least ESAs Venus EXPRESS/(VIRTIS) team has been correctly stipulating as to the primary source of the local atmospheric thermal energy, being that of the geothermally active surface itself and NOT the supposed atmospheric greenhouse as we've been told over and over by our team of NASA wizards. The rather obvious thermal differentials depicted by these latest IR imaging results do in fact clearly depict as to a wide range of thermal properties, that which makes for the nighttime season of Venus into something extremely interesting and potentially viable for future expeditions, at least by way of rigid airship. The atmospheric temperature of the nighttime season is obviously much cooler than by day, though obviously the geothermally active surface radiated thermal energy isn't going to become all that much less than by day. Unfortunately, the ESA/VIRTIS team of supposed Venus wizards are still deathly afraid of our MIB, as to share anything that could be in any way specific as to their ongoing survey, that even without their nifty PFS instrument is more than good enough to have established various atmospheric thermal layers or zones to within +/- 10 K. I guess ESA isn't quite as independent of our ruse/sting of the century as we'd thought, or at least hoped for. - Brad Guth -- Posted via Mailgate.ORG Server - http://www.Mailgate.ORG |
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SETI/OSETI LL-1 Galactic Drifter prototype
"Rob Dekker" wrote in message
. net http://mygate.mailgate.org/mynews/sc...=smart&p=1/337 Military radars detection, and other current SETI behaviour, or lack of http://groups.google.com/group/sci.a...c1ea603cb2793e "Allen Thomson" wrote in message ups.com... Raghar wrote: I would like to ask question about detection ability of SETI receivers. Are they able to detect military radars? Bet they could detect the AFSSS, formerly and better known as NAVSPASUR, Lake Kickapoo transmitter from some distance. It's monochromatic (CW for radiofolk) and has an EIRP of 6 gigawatts in the main beam. Quick calculation (using the formula's from seti FAQ), shows that a 6 GW EIRP transmitter with a CW signal (BandWidth 0.1 Hz) WILL be detectable at 30 LightYear distance with an Arecibo-style antenna. The signal will be very faint (a few dB above the noise level). Integration of the signal and narrowing the BW further could help pump the SNR, but that means that the transmitting antenna would need to be pointing in our direction for a considerable time and be a very clean CW signal. And then, 30 LYs is still considered our immediate neighborhood. If the distance is at a more realistic 1000 LYs, then there is no way we can currently detect it. They would need a monstrous receiving antenna. A remote operated laser cannon as accommodating our marker beacon that can be specifically directed at a given nearby star/solar system of potential planets has been doable for decades, and at a fraction the infrastructure and cost of accomplishing this same effort via microwaves that are somewhat badly distorted by layers of atmosphere plus that of our magnetosphere. Such a optically detected beacon as provided by a laser cannon of 1e9 j and .05 mr, especially if having been transmitted away from our moon or from the moon's L1, should more than become easily detected by a few meters worth of a telescope at the 1000 LY range. A KECK class of telescope looking for such a 425 nm (+/- 25 nm) packet as coming from another nearby star system as our's would be hard to miss, and the quantum binary information contained per ms of that sort of FM laser packet is actually rather impressive to say the least. Within such a directed laser beam of FM beacon packets, I do believe Sirius at 8.6 LY could detect such laser beacon packets with as little as a few meters worth of optical detector. Obviously this beacon could be created outside of the visual spectrum, going IR or perhaps best UV, although 425 nm should be a perfectly good starting point that most any species of intelligent other souls might rather easily detect without their involving electronics. With sensitive photon detections of 425 nm should offer more than a sufficient capability of greatly enhancing those few remaining photons as extracted outside of the otherwise blinding starshine that's not usually FM. Within existing technology, the laser beam as our beacon/packet of potentially quantum binary information about us could easily be made to transmit as narrow as 0.005 mr, and the millisecond pulse energy made as great as 1e12 j. Possibly sustained as a 10 ms worth of a FM modulated pulse duration that could be managed as a continuous rate per second, or at least as a given beacon pulse per minute, although a single ms worth of FM laser packet is more than good enough for transmitting vast amounts of information within each shot. - Brad Guth -- Posted via Mailgate.ORG Server - http://www.Mailgate.ORG |
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