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"Alan Figgatt" wrote in message ... Stephen Souter wrote: Judging from the fine print, I'm not sure everyone will be happy: "Sources said Bush will direct NASA to scale back or scrap all existing programs that do not support the new effort." --http://www.upi.com/view.cfm?StoryID=20040107-123930-1532r I note the word "all". Would that be including unmanned programs, both mooted and/or inflight (eg JIMO, Cassini etc), as well as manned ones? My reading of other on-line news reports indicate that the "all" refers to the science programs for the space station. I would think most of the unmanned efforts - certainly the Mars probes, the space telescopes, the Discovery missions - would continue, but would they cut the more expensive deep space missions such as Pluto Express or to Mercury or Jupiter? I hope not, but we shall see. I would hate to see Pluto Express get scrapped. I would like to see a close-up snapshot of Pluto in my lifetime. |
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On 09 Jan 2004 05:32:14 GMT, "Jorge R. Frank" wrote:
A crash mission to Mars wouldn't come to fruition in any conceivable Bush administration. At best he has 5 years left; ain't getting there in that length of time. But does he have a son? Two daughters, both too young to run. But he has two brothers, one (Jeb) in politics (governor of Florida), and Jeb has at least one son. Three brothers, actually. John (Jeb), Neil and Marvin. He also has a sister- Dorothy. Dale |
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In sci.space.policy Stephen Souter wrote:
Judging from the fine print, I'm not sure everyone will be happy: "Sources said Bush will direct NASA to scale back or scrap all existing programs that do not support the new effort." --http://www.upi.com/view.cfm?StoryID=20040107-123930-1532r I note the word "all". Would that be including unmanned programs, both mooted and/or inflight (eg JIMO, Cassini etc), as well as manned ones? Yes, it sucks. Its another "science, what science?" approach to well, space science. -- Sander +++ Out of cheese error +++ |
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Scott Lowther wrote: but would they cut the more expensive deep space missions such as Pluto Express or to Mercury or Jupiter? I'd hope not... but then, I'd gladly trade a robotic camera to the great beyond for giving mankind a real future in space again... Yes, me too. Most space science is too expensive to justify its benefits to society. Learning about the birth and death of the universe is interesting, but not urgent; it's not going to provide anything we really need this century like abundant energy, food, or a cure for mortality. Space development, however, could provide at least one of those, as well as insure us against certain other global disasters. It's worth a great deal more than what we've been spending on it. I just hope that, if this major change of direction does happen, it doesn't result in the embryonic commercial space companies being squeezed out by a giant (yet inefficient) government monopoly. ,------------------------------------------------------------------. | Joseph J. Strout Check out the Mac Web Directory: | | http://www.macwebdir.com | `------------------------------------------------------------------' |
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In sci.space.policy Mike Rhino wrote:
"Rusty Barton" wrote in message ... Bush to announce new missions to moon Posted 1/8/2004 8:43 PM PALM BEACH GARDENS, Fla. (AP) - President Bush will announce plans next week to send Americans to Mars and back to the moon and to establish a long-term human presence on the moon, senior administration officials said Thursday night. Bush doesn't plan to send Americans to Mars anytime soon; rather, he envisions preparing for the mission more than a decade from now, one official said. The president also wants to build a permanent space station on the moon. If a lunar space station precedes a manned Mars mission, then the Mars mission won't occur until many years after Bush leaves office. He can talk about a Mars mission, but it will be just talk that has no real meaning. By the same measure he can't talk about a moon station either. -- Sander +++ Out of cheese error +++ |
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PALM BEACH GARDENS, Fla. (AP) ? President Bush will announce plans
next week to send Americans to Mars and back to the moon and to establish a long-term human presence on the moon, senior administration officials said Thursday night. This probably won't show up until the State of the Union address, and it'll be a paragraph of glittering generalities. Something like what Bush's dad said about getting back to the Moon by 2019 and Mars 10 years later, if memory serves. Applause, followed by amnesia. Manned spaceflight at NASA will remain the Space Shuttle (as something to fly to the ISS) and the ISS (as something for the Space Shuttle to fly to) for a *long* time to come. But hey - maybe it'll affect the Florida swing vote? |
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Sander Vesik wrote: Would that be including unmanned programs, both mooted and/or inflight (eg JIMO, Cassini etc), as well as manned ones? Yes, it sucks. Its another "science, what science?" approach to well, space science. So? Since when did space become about science? Well, I'll answer that: it became about science towards the end of the Apollo program, when NASA realized that this huge organization it had built to put a man on the Moon and return him safely to Earth needed a new purpose. Science was chosen as that purpose (and indeed, this was the outward reason given for the Apollo missions -- mostly lunar geology). This was a bad choice in retrospect, though perhaps it was the only choice available. But nothing has come of space science so far that can justify the huge expenditures involved. Now, space *development* -- that's another story. That's worth much more than what we're putting into it, because it addresses real-world needs in the near term (such as energy production, protection from asteroids/comets, etc.). The public intuitively knows this -- when people are out there developing ways to live and work in space, they're interested, but as soon as it devolves into taking pretty pictures, we get a giant collective yawn and change to the sports channel. Unfortunately, we still have this myth rolling around that space is supposed to be about science. Engineering is certainly required for space development, and a small bit of science here and there is needed to support that engineering. But science is not the *reason* for space development. Attempting to make it so just undermines the whole enterprise. Indeed, to put the cart properly behind the horse: once space development is further along, then we can build much bigger and better instruments to answer those cosmology and astronomy questions, much cheaper than we could today. Cheers, - Joe ,------------------------------------------------------------------. | Joseph J. Strout Check out the Mac Web Directory: | | http://www.macwebdir.com | `------------------------------------------------------------------' |
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In article , Dale wrote:
On 09 Jan 2004 05:32:14 GMT, "Jorge R. Frank" wrote: But does he have a son? Two daughters, both too young to run. But he has two brothers, one (Jeb) in politics (governor of Florida), and Jeb has at least one son. Three brothers, actually. John (Jeb), Neil and Marvin. He also has a sister- ^----! Well, there's your answer... -- -Andrew Gray |
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Sander Vesik writes:
Yes, it sucks. Its another "science, what science?" approach to well, space science. For years, the science community has complained that all the money spent on manned space travel could be better spent doing science with unmanned probes. The Bush administration is rejecting that and turning it on its head. They are essentially saying that it is unmanned space science that is holding back the manned exploration of space. Men have not set foot on any planetoid besides the earth for more than 30 years. The Bush administration is saying that it's time to start manned exploration again. IMHO, going round and round in LEO isn't exploring much. Jeff -- Remove "no" and "spam" from email address to reply. If it says "This is not spam!", it's surely a lie. |
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