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"Quadibloc" wrote in message ... On Nov 21, 4:00 pm, "David Staup" wrote: as has been clear to a casual HONEST observer global warming is junk science and fraud perpetuated by certain people for thier own profit and advocated by others who know nothing of the truth and human nature. what say you now? I say you're crazy. Anthropogenic global warming is not junk science. It is recognized as *valid* science by the overwhelming majority of scientists. There are a few objectors, yes - and their number becomes significantly fewer when you exclude likely corporate shills. However, I will grant you this: trying to give up fossil fuels in favor of warm and fuzzy renewable energy sources like solar power, wind power, geothermal... would lead to a reduction in our industrial capacity. Even if the decline in living standards could be tolerated as a necessity, there is still the question of the industrial base needed for national defense; the world still has well-armed dictatorships in it, like mainland China - and also Russia, it strongly appears. Fortunately, there is a way out. Nuclear power. The facts are not so unpleasant that they can't be faced. John Savard the advancement of mankind and civilazation has followed closely the advance of energy availability. first from cooperative effort and slavery, then beasts of burden and wind/ hydro power, then fossil fuels and nuclear power. the next step function increase will likely come from fusion or something even more exotic. other than that I don't accept your premise that consensis exists and/or if it does that it reflects the facts. the history of science is littered with examples of bad science becomming ingrained in the minds of otherwise brilliant men and has been responsible for many "truths" being held back, sometimes for centuries. notice I didn't call you crazy or redicule your beliefs.. debate of any kind is best served when minds are not closed and the acedimical philosophy (mitigated skepticism is understood and utilized...read Hume |
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"David Staup" wrote in message ... http://news.yahoo.com/s/ibd/20091120...091120issues01 as has been clear to a casual HONEST observer global warming is junk science and fraud perpetuated by certain people for thier own profit and advocated by others who know nothing of the truth and human nature. what say you now? I see where you are coming from. I especially like: ---- Indeed, in e-mails, they boast of twisting scientific data to suit their views and to "hide" the truth. At one point, a scientist actually gloats over the death of global warming skeptic John L. Daly, saying, "In an odd way, this is cheering news." If true, this is massive scientific fraud. ---- I wonder what the author could mean by "If true"? Did the scientist gloat, or didn't he? And if he did gloat, what does that have to do with scientific fraud? Thanks for sharing this wacko article - what a hoot. Dennis |
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On Nov 21, 6:27*pm, "David Staup" wrote:
notice I didn't call you crazy or redicule your beliefs.. debate of any kind is best served when minds are not closed and the acedimical philosophy (mitigated skepticism is understood and utilized...read Hume It certainly is true that science progresses, and things that were believed and widely accepted in the past as fact are now known to be wrong. Even so, when the accepted wisdom of the scientific community is saying one thing, that is usually the way to bet 99% of the time. A start to understanding why might be to read "Fads and Fallacies in the Name of Science" by Martin Gardner. Basically, global warming isn't rocket science. The Earth is not nearly as hot as the Sun, so while the Sun radiates energy in the form of light and short-wave infrared, the Earth radiates long-wave infrared into space instead - which is why places cool off at night. Carbon dioxide blocks long-wave infrared, and is warmed by it. Measurements show that the oceans are more acidic than they once were, and are absorbing less carbon dioxide from the atmosphere than they once did. There's no _reason_ to think that global warming is a colossal hoax. Yes, some of the advocates of its seriousness are recommending that things be done to stop global warming that would carry a heavy price tag. If there were no other choices, global warming would indeed be "an inconvenient truth" that people would prefer to ignore. I think people shouldn't be fooled by the radical environmentalist agenda _or_ the oil company agenda. There is another way. John Savard |
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On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 19:05:02 -0600, "David Staup"
wrote: I knew enough to expect this from you. also enough education and intelligence to have worked at Oak ridge national labs, Sandia national labs, and Argonne national labs. had a top secret clearance and more than enough intelligence to be a much sought after contractor. I was the first to describe the proceedure for creating excellant lunar, solar, and planetary images by taking and stacking thousands of frames. wrote an article about it for sky and telescope in '03 even after I could no longer image myself due to a disability caused by statin drugs....just what have you done with your vast intelligence Chris? If that's true, I'm sorry for your loss. It's terrible when people lose their intelligence. (BTW, myself, and many others, were using lucky imaging techniques- stacking thousands of frames- well before 2003. I'm guessing from your mental decline that you perhaps meant 1903?) Regardless of what you dud in the past, your recent posts here demonstrate that you are not competent in the area of science. The fact that you don't believe in AGW is proof-positive of this, as much as not believing in evolution, or not believing the Earth is a sphere. _________________________________________________ Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com |
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On Nov 21, 7:05*pm, "David Staup" wrote:
"Chris L Peterson" wrote in messagenews:s81hg55brs3gtjicbe1vmfv3hl9hp7jc6j@4ax .com... On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 17:00:17 -0600, "David Staup" wrote: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ibd/20091120...091120issues01 as has been clear to a casual HONEST observer global warming is junk science and fraud perpetuated by certain people for thier own profit and advocated by others who know nothing of the truth and human nature. what say you now? I say that you haven't demonstrated in the past sufficient education or intelligence to even voice an opinion on the matter... or on any matters of science. _________________________________________________ Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com chuckle, I knew enough to expect this from you. *also enough education and intelligence to have worked at Oak ridge national labs, Sandia national labs, and Argonne national labs. had a top secret clearance and more than enough intelligence to be a much sought after contractor. *I was the first to describe the proceedure for creating excellant lunar, solar, and planetary images by taking and stacking thousands of frames. wrote an article about it for sky and telescope in '03 even after I could no longer image myself due to a disability caused by statin drugs....just what have you done with your vast intelligence Chris? Tis really sad to see the stupid puff themselves up to make themselves feel better. If you really did work at Argonne, Oak Ridge and Sandia with top secret clearance you wouldn't be bragging about it. Every year when the ROTC students get ready to graduate someone from the Defense Intelligence Agency visit with me and ask a series of questions about each student. One question that gets asked is if the ROTC student brags about current/future positions within the military and if they talked about security clearance. I always wondered why they asked this kind of question. The answer is simple "Lose Lips Sink Ships" No one who would talk about their security clearance or sensitive position (Sandia/Oak Ridge/Argonne) would ever be hired or hold their job. Given your bragging it is clear you are another member of the tinfoil hat brigade. You could even a basic background check |
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On Nov 21, 7:12*pm, "David Staup" wrote:
Bite me "Bob Lablaw" wrote in message news:XX%Nm.54499$PH1.46274@edtnps82... Take a hike you idiot ! "David Staup" wrote in message ... http://news.yahoo.com/s/ibd/20091120...091120issues01 as has been clear to a casual HONEST observer global warming is junk science and fraud perpetuated by certain people for thier own profit and advocated by others who know nothing of the truth and human nature. what say you now? Ah yes! The wonderfully great scientist who's done all this research, yet he can provide nothing to show for it. But can resort to obscenities Scientist Yeah right |
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On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 19:15:04 -0700, Chris L Peterson
wrote: ...you don't believe in AGW... _______________________________________________ __ Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com No warming for the next 10 years: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7376301.stm No warming for the last 11 years: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8299079.stm But the believers say Artic will be Ice Free in 20 years: http://www.reuters.com/article/topNe...59E18W20091015 While Artic Sea Ice is no longer declining: http://www.csmonitor.com/2007/0503/p13s01-wogi.html And Polar Bear Populations are increasing: http://www.csmonitor.com/2007/0503/p13s01-wogi.html believe - is the right word, oh brilliant one... Steve Oregon |
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On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 19:58:30 -0800, spud wrote:
No warming for the next 10 years: I expect you'll be proven quite wrong. The evidence to the contrary is pretty overwhelming. Arguing with those who don't believe we are currently experiencing a long term global warming trend, largely human produced, is like arguing with Oriel. Pointless, because they selectively filter the evidence to support their ideology. _________________________________________________ Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com |
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"Bob Lablaw" wrote in message news:XX%Nm.54499$PH1.46274@edtnps82... Take a hike you idiot ! "David Staup" wrote in message ... http://news.yahoo.com/s/ibd/20091120...091120issues01 as has been clear to a casual HONEST observer global warming is junk science and fraud perpetuated by certain people for thier own profit and advocated by others who know nothing of the truth and human nature. what say you now? Did you know that not one learned journal in the fields of Climate Research foresaw the global financial crash? Not one! What say you now? |
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On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 21:45:57 -0700, Chris L Peterson
wrote: On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 19:58:30 -0800, spud wrote: No warming for the next 10 years: I expect you'll be proven quite wrong. The evidence to the contrary is pretty overwhelming. Arguing with those who don't believe we are currently experiencing a long term global warming trend, largely human produced, is like arguing with Oriel. Pointless, because they selectively filter the evidence to support their ideology. _______________________________________________ __ Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com Oh briillant one... So you willingly disregard the same gov't priests that are paid to promote global warming if they don't write what you believe. That's damn convenient. No requirement to be objective if you are a true believer, eh? But I'm not a CalTech alum and indoctrinated in uh, the believers group think scientific methods. You know, fitting data to comply with the agenda (er, uh theory?), and actually conspiring to stifle opposing models. http://features.csmonitor.com/enviro...t-in-a-teapot/ So it's time to tell me I'm uneducated, unread, unshaven, my intellect can't possibly compare with your's and I spelled something wrong. You know, your usual cowardly retort. Steve Oregon |
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