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Are Atoms Nonlinear Dynamical Systems?
Submitted to sci.physics.research as a follow-up to the thread "Is
Perfect Reversibility A Myth?" On Oct 31, 1:42 pm, "Robert L. Oldershaw" wrote: Refining the general question of whether exact reversibility/ integrability is an idealization or is actually realized in nature, one could narrow the discussion as follows. Are atoms correctly characterized by linearity, reversibility and integrability or is this characterization a good but limited approximation to a more sophisticated characterization of atoms as nonlinear dynamical systems. When chaos theory [aka NLDS theory] was first acknowledged as being fundamental to modeling much of natural phenomena, it was thought that its application was limited to the macroscopic domain. Then one began to see the first papers arguing that period-doubling and other chaotic phenomena could be observed in the atomic domain, if one looked hard enough. In the last decade the application of NLDS modeling to atomic scale phenomena has been steadily accelerating, especially in regard to atoms in highly excited Rydberg states. Now, in the 10/8/09 issue of Nature, we see a potentially paradigm- changing paper by Chaudhury et al which may herald the advent of a new era in the modeling of atoms. In this paper the nuclear and electronic spin interactions of a single atom are shown to display a quantum version of classical chaotic behavior: the kicked top phenomena. The authors also state: "We ... present experimental evidence for dynamical entanglement as a signature of chaos". So it is not unreasonable to ask: are atoms nonlinear dynamical systems? RLO www.amherst.edu/~rloldershaw |
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Are Atoms Nonlinear Dynamical Systems?
On Nov 1, 11:21*am, Knecht wrote:
So it is not unreasonable to ask: are atoms nonlinear dynamical systems? Here are two more impertinent questions. Is there a fundamental distinction between the physics of the atomic microcosm and the physics of the macrocosm that can stand up to persistent and objective scientific scrutiny? Is the current Balkanization of physics due to incomplete and inadequate modeling. If there is but one physics for all of nature, ... RLO www.amherst.edu/~rloldershaw |
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Are Atoms Nonlinear Dynamical Systems?
On Nov 1, 8:08*pm, Knecht wrote:
On Nov 1, 11:21*am, Knecht wrote: So it is not unreasonable to ask: are atoms nonlinear dynamical systems? Here are two more impertinent questions. Is there a fundamental distinction between the physics of the atomic microcosm and the physics of the macrocosm that can stand up to persistent and objective scientific scrutiny? Is the current Balkanization of physics due to incomplete and inadequate modeling. If there is but one physics for all of nature, ... Here is a fourth question: Why do you stand on a soapbox in an astronomy newsgroup? Don't you think sci.physics.research or sci.physics.foundations would be a better venue? David A. Smith |
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Are Atoms Nonlinear Dynamical Systems?
"dlzc" wrote
Here is a fourth question: Why do you stand on a soapbox in an astronomy newsgroup? Don't you think sci.physics.research or sci.physics.foundations would be a better venue? you are right but both are moderated newsgroups but if a moderator don't like your question or answer ( in my case ) your question/answer isn't posted. sci.physics is a better choice; the biggest risk is that someone calls you an idiot. .................................................. ............... Posted via TITANnews - Uncensored Newsgroups Access at http://www.TitanNews.com -=Every Newsgroup - Anonymous, UNCENSORED, BROADBAND Downloads=- |
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Are Atoms Nonlinear Dynamical Systems?
On Nov 1, 9:54*pm, dlzc wrote:
On Nov 1, 8:08*pm, Knecht wrote: On Nov 1, 11:21*am, Knecht wrote: So it is not unreasonable to ask: are atoms nonlinear dynamical systems? Here are two more impertinent questions. Is there a fundamental distinction between the physics of the atomic microcosm and the physics of the macrocosm that can stand up to persistent and objective scientific scrutiny? Is the current Balkanization of physics due to incomplete and inadequate modeling. If there is but one physics for all of nature, ... Here is a fourth question: Why do you stand on a soapbox in an astronomy newsgroup? *Don't you think sci.physics.research or sci.physics.foundations would be a better venue? David A. Smith He is asking the same questions there, too. |
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Are Atoms Nonlinear Dynamical Systems?
Dear cosmo:
On Nov 2, 3:24*am, "cosmo" wrote: "dlzc" *wrote Here is a fourth question: Why do you stand on a soapbox in an astronomy newsgroup? *Don't you think sci.physics.research or sci.physics.foundations would be a better venue? you are right but both are moderated newsgroups but if a moderator don't like your question or answer ( in my case ) your question/answer isn't posted. sci.physics is a better choice; the biggest risk is that someone calls you an idiot. I consider that a mark of distinction. However, asking a question in an off topic newsgroup, and then receiving no answer at all is not a good thing either. sci.physics is about like Micro$haft's support newsgroups.... to busy to get any serious attention. If it takes more than 6 seconds to answer it, it is unlikely to garner any attention there. David A. Smith |
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Are Atoms Nonlinear Dynamical Systems?
On Nov 1, 5:21*pm, Knecht wrote:
Submitted to sci.physics.research as a follow-up to the thread "Is Perfect Reversibility A Myth?" On Oct 31, 1:42 pm, "Robert L. Oldershaw" wrote: Refining the general question of whether exact reversibility/ integrability is an idealization or is actually realized in nature, one could narrow the discussion as follows. Are atoms correctly characterized by linearity, reversibility and integrability or is this characterization a good but limited approximation to a more sophisticated characterization of atoms as nonlinear dynamical systems. When chaos theory [aka NLDS theory] was first acknowledged as being fundamental to modeling much of natural phenomena, it was thought that its application was limited to the macroscopic domain. Then one began to see the first papers arguing that period-doubling and other chaotic phenomena could be observed in the atomic domain, if one looked hard enough. In the last decade the application of NLDS modeling to atomic scale phenomena has been steadily accelerating, especially in regard to atoms in highly excited Rydberg states. Now, in the 10/8/09 issue of Nature, we see a potentially paradigm- changing paper by Chaudhury et al which may herald the advent of a new era in the modeling of atoms. In this paper the nuclear and electronic spin interactions of a single atom are shown to display a quantum version of classical chaotic behavior: the kicked top phenomena. The authors also state: "We ... present experimental evidence for dynamical entanglement as a signature of chaos". So it is not unreasonable to ask: are atoms nonlinear dynamical systems? RLOwww.amherst.edu/~rloldershaw They are things that can be charged together. When an atom splits it discharges its energy. The formula E=mc2 predicted that mass can release energy and create an atomic explosion. They are trying the reverse, to build an atom from energy at Cern by reversing the E=mc2. Basically an atom is made of subatomic energy particles, atom was discovered in the 19th Century as something that exists. All they are are a charge, an energy capsule. It is the energy inside the atom which gravitates. Since it is charge..., could have compressed field energies, it is unknown perhaps if it is dynamical, it might be static. Generally in a world of fields, like in the macro world of the Universe, things are in motion. Energy processes basically are all based on motion, so probably it is dynamic in my opinion. |
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