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Old January 18th 04, 03:51 AM
Bill Clark
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So NASA cancels a shuttle maintance mission and says it's cheaper to

(1) re-write the shuttle software program to work with three gyros
operational instead of four; then probably with two instead of three
(we don't even know this is POSSIBLE yet)

(2) design, test, and built a new experiental robot spacecraft that
when launched will rendezvous with the Hubble, attach to it, then
guide it to splashdown in a remote part of the ocean (we don't know if
this is POSSIBLE either)

I find it hard to believe that a single shuttle trip to Hubble to do
regular maintenance will be cheaper than these very risky, unproven
elaborate programs.

As far as that goes, what happens if Bush loses the election and the
next President disagrees with his plans for NASA? Then several
billion dollars will be spent, and many priceless missions canceled,
for nothing at all.

I'm as much of a fan of a mission to the moon and to Mars, but I
believe that NASA should not act on what the President says. Changes
in space policy of this magnitude must be approved by Congress, and
officially written into law after lengthy public debate. Otherwise
we're just chasing our tail like a dog.

Bill Clark
http://home.austin.rr.com/whcii/

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Old January 18th 04, 04:40 PM
The Ruzicka Family
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I couldn't agree with you more. I would dearly love to see humans sent to
Mars, as well as establishing a base on the Moon. That said, however, I
believe Bush is merely grandstanding and trying to show the electorate that
he has "vision." For Bush, this is no more than a political move for
reelection. Something of this magnitude needs to be mote thoroughly
discussed, dissected, etc, between actual science and space experts, as well
as both sides of Congress, to make sure it's a workable long-range plan that
can and will be implemented, no matter who may be sitting in the White House
in the future. Hell! In order to come up with a long-range energy plan,
Bush/Cheney spent MONTHS in consultations with energy industry leaders and
the GOP leadership (although they refused to consult ALL sides...but I won't
go there now..). Doesn't something of the magnitude of going to Mars
deserve as much or more?

"Bill Clark" wrote in message
om...
So NASA cancels a shuttle maintance mission and says it's cheaper to

(1) re-write the shuttle software program to work with three gyros
operational instead of four; then probably with two instead of three
(we don't even know this is POSSIBLE yet)

(2) design, test, and built a new experiental robot spacecraft that
when launched will rendezvous with the Hubble, attach to it, then
guide it to splashdown in a remote part of the ocean (we don't know if
this is POSSIBLE either)

I find it hard to believe that a single shuttle trip to Hubble to do
regular maintenance will be cheaper than these very risky, unproven
elaborate programs.

As far as that goes, what happens if Bush loses the election and the
next President disagrees with his plans for NASA? Then several
billion dollars will be spent, and many priceless missions canceled,
for nothing at all.

I'm as much of a fan of a mission to the moon and to Mars, but I
believe that NASA should not act on what the President says. Changes
in space policy of this magnitude must be approved by Congress, and
officially written into law after lengthy public debate. Otherwise
we're just chasing our tail like a dog.

Bill Clark
http://home.austin.rr.com/whcii/


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Old January 19th 04, 02:20 PM
Horatio
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"Bill Clark" wrote in message
om...
So NASA cancels a shuttle maintance mission and says it's cheaper to

(1) re-write the shuttle software program to work with three gyros
operational instead of four; then probably with two instead of three
(we don't even know this is POSSIBLE yet)

(2) design, test, and built a new experiental robot spacecraft that
when launched will rendezvous with the Hubble, attach to it, then
guide it to splashdown in a remote part of the ocean (we don't know if
this is POSSIBLE either)

I find it hard to believe that a single shuttle trip to Hubble to do
regular maintenance will be cheaper than these very risky, unproven
elaborate programs.

As far as that goes, what happens if Bush loses the election and the
next President disagrees with his plans for NASA? Then several
billion dollars will be spent, and many priceless missions canceled,
for nothing at all.

I'm as much of a fan of a mission to the moon and to Mars, but I
believe that NASA should not act on what the President says. Changes
in space policy of this magnitude must be approved by Congress, and
officially written into law after lengthy public debate. Otherwise
we're just chasing our tail like a dog.

Bill Clark
http://home.austin.rr.com/whcii/


Basically, it's throwing away the Hubble to gain the re-election of a
ruthless President. The Hubble images have been stunning, and changed our
perception of the Universe completely, inspiring many new cosmological
theories. It's a treasure and it's life should be, if anything, extended .
When the VLST is in use the Hubble will still be useful and astronomers will
still be fighting for time on it.
America has achieved few more inspiring successes than the launch and
operation of the Hubble Space Telescope. It represents the very best of
America.
G.Bush; have you seen through him yet?
Over here in the UK we certainly hope so. We can't wait for the _good_
Americans to come back and remove him from office.

Horatio.

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Old January 21st 04, 02:30 AM
The Ruzicka Family
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Basically, it's throwing away the Hubble to gain the re-election of a
ruthless President. The Hubble images have been stunning, and changed our
perception of the Universe completely, inspiring many new cosmological
theories. It's a treasure and it's life should be, if anything, extended .
When the VLST is in use the Hubble will still be useful and astronomers

will
still be fighting for time on it.
America has achieved few more inspiring successes than the launch and
operation of the Hubble Space Telescope. It represents the very best of
America.
G.Bush; have you seen through him yet?
Over here in the UK we certainly hope so. We can't wait for the _good_
Americans to come back and remove him from office.

Horatio.


I, for one, am hoping and praying that the arrogant, holier-than-thou,
asshole gets a painful taste of reality this November and loses!
Just one American's opinion.

Paul

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Old January 21st 04, 04:11 AM
Rand Simberg
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On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 18:30:23 -0800 (PST), in a place far, far away,
"The Ruzicka Family" made the phosphor on my
monitor glow in such a way as to indicate that:

G.Bush; have you seen through him yet?
Over here in the UK we certainly hope so. We can't wait for the _good_
Americans to come back and remove him from office.

Horatio.


I, for one, am hoping and praying that the arrogant, holier-than-thou,
asshole


Looks like projection to me.

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Old January 21st 04, 01:47 PM
The Ruzicka Family
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I, for one, am hoping and praying that the arrogant, holier-than-thou,
asshole


Looks like projection to me.


Stop being such a sanctimonious jerk. You may love Bush, but there's no
reason to act like him. You do not know me. You do not now my position on
most things, nor how I relate to or treat other people. Therefore, you have
absolutely no idea whether or not I truly am what I criticize in Bush.
Ergo, you're blowing it out of your ass.

Why don't we both get back to the task at hand: debating the pros and cons
of whether or not Bush has a realistic "vision" for going to Mars. Isn't
that what this newsgroup is for?

By the way, I heard that one way Bush plans to save money when we get to
Mars is to transport the astronauts around Mars by way of rafts on the
canals! ;-)

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Old January 21st 04, 02:48 PM
Rand Simberg
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Default Hubble Economics - modern math?

On Wed, 21 Jan 2004 05:47:32 -0800 (PST), in a place far, far away,
"The Ruzicka Family" made the phosphor on my
monitor glow in such a way as to indicate that:


I, for one, am hoping and praying that the arrogant, holier-than-thou,
asshole


Looks like projection to me.


Stop being such a sanctimonious jerk. You may love Bush, but there's no
reason to act like him.


I don't love Bush.

You do not know me.


Nor, obviously, you me.

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Old January 21st 04, 02:58 PM
Roger Balettie
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"The Ruzicka Family" wrote:
Stop being such a sanctimonious jerk.


Then... moments later, you wrote:

By the way, I heard that one way Bush plans to save money when we get to
Mars is to transport the astronauts around Mars by way of rafts on the
canals! ;-)


Try getting your information from places other than moveon.org and you'll
have more credibility around here.

Regards,
Roger
--
Roger Balettie
former Flight Dynamics Officer
Space Shuttle Mission Control
http://www.balettie.com/

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Old January 22nd 04, 03:57 AM
The Ruzicka Family
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By the way, I heard that one way Bush plans to save money when we get to
Mars is to transport the astronauts around Mars by way of rafts on the
canals! ;-)


Try getting your information from places other than moveon.org and you'll
have more credibility around here.

Regards,
Roger


oh, geez...did I somehow insult you in some way with my little joke? (you
did, of course, notice the little smile/wink symbol at the end of it, right?
that means it was a joke!)
Normally I don't get my "information" from ANY single place. I make sure I
get it from multiple reliable sources to make sure I'm not getting fed only
slanted or biased information. My guess is that you should try that process
yourself someday, rather than rely solely on such pools of wisdom and truth,
such as Rush Limbaugh.
Sorry, but I digress. I'm really not trying to start any petty little
insult war here. It really is interesting how someone can come to this
newsgroup, express one single, simple point of view...a personal
opinion...and all of a sudden get snide, totally unnecessary comments
against them. Really shows how much some people here believe in freedom of
expression and individuality. Guess we're all simply supposed to march
lockstep with our "betters."

  #10  
Old January 22nd 04, 04:01 AM
The Ruzicka Family
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Default Hubble Economics - modern math?


Stop being such a sanctimonious jerk. You may love Bush, but there's no
reason to act like him.


I don't love Bush.

Glad to hear it. Why then do you feel a need to make snide comments to me
when I simply express my own personal opinion of the guy?
You do not know me.


Nor, obviously, you me.

You're absolutely correct. I know as much about you as you do about me.
That's why I don't go out of my way to make unprovoked dumb-ass comments
about you. I'd appreciate the same respect.

 




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