Have the Planck satellite seen any substructure inside cold and hotspots of the CMBR?

Have the Planck satellite seen any substructure inside cold and hot
spots of the CMBR?

I think that cold and hot spots in temperature distribution of the
CMBR are light cones ?

I think that hot spots are more distant from us (little bigger
temperature
little nearer Big Bang start) and cold spots (little lesser
temperature little farther from Big Bang start)
are somewhat closer to us?

mathematician wrote:
Have the Planck satellite seen any substructure inside cold and hot
spots of the CMBR?

I think that cold and hot spots in temperature distribution of the
CMBR are light cones ?

I think that hot spots are more distant from us (little bigger
temperature
little nearer Big Bang start) and cold spots (little lesser
temperature little farther from Big Bang start)
are somewhat closer to us?

I haven't found any detailed release of data on this yet, but maybe I
haven't searched hard enough.

The more usual explanations of the cold and hot spots are in terms of
something called the Sachs-Wolfe effect and the Integrated Sachs-Wolfe
effect, which has to do with gravitational potential of large scale clumping
of matter (superclusters or proto super clusters) between us and the CMBR.

The actual temperature differences are small, around 10^(-5) in terms of the
overall CMBR temperature.

There is also something called the Sunyaev-Zeldovich effect, which is not
the same thing but has a cause related to the presence of ionized gas in
clusters of galaxies and is an explanation of some of the smaller scale CMBR
variations seen.

Not sure what you mean by your phrase "light cones".

--
Mike Dworetsky

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On Apr 8, 2:54*am, mathematician wrote:
Have the Planck satellite seen any substructure inside cold and hot
spots of the CMBR?

No.


I think that cold and hot spots in temperature distribution of the
CMBR are light cones ?

You do not know what light cones are, then.


I think that hot spots are more distant from us (little bigger
temperature
little nearer Big Bang start) and cold spots (little lesser
temperature little farther from Big Bang start)
are somewhat closer to us?

Except the CMB wasn't at the start of the big bang, it was a decent
time after.

On Apr 8, 5:54*am, mathematician wrote:

About Cone Shapes Producing CMBR

I think that hot spots are more distant from us (little bigger
temperature
little nearer Big Bang start) and cold spots (little lesser
temperature little farther from Big Bang start)
are somewhat closer to us?

Cones or arbitrary topologies could be just as likely.
The Universe always existed, in my theory.
The CMBR variations are just the farthest signals we noticed yet, red
shifted.
Far away gamma rays look as red as closer UV rays look, considering
their
two different distances.

On 08/04/2011 5:54 AM, mathematician wrote:
Have the Planck satellite seen any substructure inside cold and hot
spots of the CMBR?

I think that cold and hot spots in temperature distribution of the
CMBR are light cones ?

I think that hot spots are more distant from us (little bigger
temperature
little nearer Big Bang start) and cold spots (little lesser
temperature little farther from Big Bang start)
are somewhat closer to us?

This is the most recent information about Planck.

BBC News - Planck telescope's first glimpse
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8260711.stm

I think it's only just completed its first full survey of the sky. I
don't think more details will come till it has at least two full surveys
done.

Yousuf Khan

Am 08.04.2011 11:54, schrieb mathematician:
Have the Planck satellite seen any substructure inside cold and hot
spots of the CMBR?

I think that cold and hot spots in temperature distribution of the
CMBR are light cones ?

I think that hot spots are more distant from us (little bigger
temperature
little nearer Big Bang start) and cold spots (little lesser
temperature little farther from Big Bang start)
are somewhat closer to us?

I personally think, that CMBR is produced in real-time and quite near to
Earth.
To understand my idea, you need to ask yourself: why is the sky blue?

Than we need a spectrum over a large span and to each frequency belongs
a sphere of a specific size. High frequency means small and low
frequency means large.

If we now look into the sky, the frequency 'blue light' belongs to the
sky. If we make this sphere larger, we get micro-waves in outer space.

TH

On Apr 8, 9:29*pm, Thomas Heger wrote:
Am 08.04.2011 11:54, schrieb mathematician:

Have the Planck satellite seen any substructure inside cold and hot
spots of the CMBR?

I think that cold and hot spots in temperature distribution of the
CMBR are light cones ?

I think that hot spots are more distant from us (little bigger
temperature
little nearer Big Bang start) and cold spots (little lesser
temperature little farther from Big Bang start)
are somewhat closer to us?

I personally think, that CMBR is produced in real-time and quite near to
Earth.

Except there are observations of it from places that are not anywhere
near Earth. Whoops.

To understand my idea, you need to ask yourself: why is the sky blue?

Than we need a spectrum over a large span and to each frequency belongs
a sphere of a specific size. High frequency means small and low
frequency means large.

If we now look into the sky, the frequency 'blue light' belongs to the
sky. If we make this sphere larger, we get micro-waves in outer space.

TH

"Thomas Heger" wrote in message
...
| Am 08.04.2011 11:54, schrieb mathematician:
| Have the Planck satellite seen any substructure inside cold and hot
| spots of the CMBR?
|
| I think that cold and hot spots in temperature distribution of the
| CMBR are light cones ?
|
| I think that hot spots are more distant from us (little bigger
| temperature
| little nearer Big Bang start) and cold spots (little lesser
| temperature little farther from Big Bang start)
| are somewhat closer to us?
|
| I personally think, that CMBR is produced in real-time and quite near to
| Earth.
| To understand my idea, you need to ask yourself: why is the sky blue?
|
| Than we need a spectrum over a large span and to each frequency belongs
| a sphere of a specific size. High frequency means small and low
| frequency means large.
|
| If we now look into the sky, the frequency 'blue light' belongs to the
| sky. If we make this sphere larger, we get micro-waves in outer space.
|
| TH
Why isn't the sky blue at night?
Why is the moon red?
Why is the sun red?
To understand your idea, I need to ask myself: why is Heger crazy?

Am 09.04.2011 07:25, schrieb Eric Gisse:
On Apr 8, 9:29 pm, Thomas wrote:
Am 08.04.2011 11:54, schrieb mathematician:

Have the Planck satellite seen any substructure inside cold and hot
spots of the CMBR?

I think that cold and hot spots in temperature distribution of the
CMBR are light cones ?

I think that hot spots are more distant from us (little bigger
temperature
little nearer Big Bang start) and cold spots (little lesser
temperature little farther from Big Bang start)
are somewhat closer to us?

I personally think, that CMBR is produced in real-time and quite near to
Earth.

Except there are observations of it from places that are not anywhere
near Earth. Whoops.


Everything is somehow vibrating and has a frequency and a type of wave.
CMBR is microwaves from the vacuum.
The frequency of these waves is related to 'curvature of spacetime', due
to the presence of celestial bodies.
At a certain distance from Earth we find such microwaves.

To illustrate my idea, we need a simplification. That is a two plus one
dimensional spacetime:

An object has an axis of stability, where this object appears as matter.
The inverse to this axis is called spacelike an has the features of a
static potential. Along the cone of 45° we see the incoming light. (This
is actually a spherical shell and only in this simplification a cone. )
This 45° cone is usually called vacuum. It is the direction, where we
look at and denotes our past. It is organised in spherical shells, that
go from zero to infinity in size and as inverse having a frequency,
going from infinity to zero.

If gravity curves the wordline of an object, the space isn't anymore
along the cone of that object and (empty) space starts to radiate.
Imagine this direction called 'spacelike' to be a rotation with infinite
velocity, but small size. The size and the frequency are inverses to
each other and large means low frequency, small means high frequency.
The lowest frequency possible has the entire universe.

Now we 'wrap up' light and turn empty space into helical screws of small
size, to create the inverse to the universe. This is usually called matter.

Between zero and infinity we find the realm, where we have microwaves.
This is assumed to be large, as the frequency is comparatively low, but
not infinitely large, because the entire universe has a frequency in the
rang of 1 per 13.7 billion years and microwaves are a bit faster.

This realm is relative to us, here on Earth, because this cone is our
past and different objects have different ones.

TH

On 5/4/11 1:39 PM, Thomas Heger wrote:
Am 09.04.2011 07:25, schrieb Eric Gisse:
On Apr 8, 9:29 pm, Thomas wrote:
Am 08.04.2011 11:54, schrieb mathematician:

Have the Planck satellite seen any substructure inside cold and hot
spots of the CMBR?

I think that cold and hot spots in temperature distribution of the
CMBR are light cones ?

I think that hot spots are more distant from us (little bigger
temperature
little nearer Big Bang start) and cold spots (little lesser
temperature little farther from Big Bang start)
are somewhat closer to us?

I personally think, that CMBR is produced in real-time and quite near to
Earth.

Except there are observations of it from places that are not anywhere
near Earth. Whoops.


Everything is somehow vibrating and has a frequency and a type of wave.
CMBR is microwaves from the vacuum.
The frequency of these waves is related to 'curvature of spacetime', due
to the presence of celestial bodies.
At a certain distance from Earth we find such microwaves.

To illustrate my idea, we need a simplification. That is a two plus one
dimensional spacetime:

An object has an axis of stability, where this object appears as matter.
The inverse to this axis is called spacelike an has the features of a
static potential. Along the cone of 45° we see the incoming light. (This
is actually a spherical shell and only in this simplification a cone. )
This 45° cone is usually called vacuum. It is the direction, where we
look at and denotes our past. It is organised in spherical shells, that
go from zero to infinity in size and as inverse having a frequency,
going from infinity to zero.

If gravity curves the wordline of an object, the space isn't anymore
along the cone of that object and (empty) space starts to radiate.
Imagine this direction called 'spacelike' to be a rotation with infinite
velocity, but small size. The size and the frequency are inverses to
each other and large means low frequency, small means high frequency.
The lowest frequency possible has the entire universe.

Now we 'wrap up' light and turn empty space into helical screws of small
size, to create the inverse to the universe. This is usually called matter.

Between zero and infinity we find the realm, where we have microwaves.
This is assumed to be large, as the frequency is comparatively low, but
not infinitely large, because the entire universe has a frequency in the
rang of 1 per 13.7 billion years and microwaves are a bit faster.

This realm is relative to us, here on Earth, because this cone is our
past and different objects have different ones.

TH



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