Lunar Laser-Ranging Detection of Light-Speed Anisotropy

This is a very interesting discovery.

Originally made he

Lunar Laser Ranging Test of the Invariance of c
Daniel Y. Gezari
http://arxiv.org/abs/0912.3934

Abstract: The speed of laser light pulses launched from Earth and
returned by a retro-reflector on the Moon was calculated from
precision round-trip time-of-flight measurements and modeled
distances. The measured speed of light (c) in the moving observers
rest frame was found to exceed the canonical value c = 299,792,458 m/s
by 200+/-10 m/s, just the speed of the observatory along the
line-of-sight due to the rotation of the Earth during the
measurements. This is a first-order violation of local Lorentz
invariance; the speed of light seems to depend on the motion of the
observer after all, as in classical wave theory, and implies that a
preferred reference frame exists for the propagation of light.
However, the present experiment cannot identify the physical system to
which such a reference frame might be tied.


And there is additional analysis he

Lunar Laser-Ranging Detection of Light-Speed Anisotropy and
Gravitational Waves
Authors: Reginald T Cahill (Flinders University)
http://arxiv.org/abs/1001.2358

Abstract: The Apache Point Lunar Laser-ranging Operation (APOLLO), in
NM, can detect photon bounces from retro-reflectors on the moon
surface to 0.1ns timing resolution. This facility enables not only the
detection of light speed anisotropy, which defines a local preferred
frame of reference - only in that frame is the speed of light
isotropic, but also fluctuations/turbulence (gravitational waves) in
the flow of the dynamical 3-space relative to local systems/observers.
So the APOLLO facility can act as an effective "gravitational wave"
detector. A recently published small data set from November 5, 2007,
is analysed to characterise both the average anisotropy velocity and
the wave/turbulence effects. The results are consistent with some 13
previous detections, with the last and most accurate being from the
spacecraft earth-flyby Doppler-shift NASA data.

On 13 Feb, 07:52, Surfer wrote:
This is a very interesting discovery.

Originally made he

Lunar Laser Ranging Test of the Invariance of c
Daniel Y. Gezarihttp://arxiv.org/abs/0912.3934

Abstract: The speed of laser light pulses launched from Earth and
returned by a retro-reflector on the Moon was calculated from
precision round-trip time-of-flight measurements and modeled
distances. The measured speed of light (c) in the moving observers
rest frame was found to exceed the canonical value c = 299,792,458 m/s
by 200+/-10 m/s, just the speed of the observatory along the
line-of-sight due to the rotation of the Earth during the
measurements. This is a first-order violation of local Lorentz
invariance; the speed of light seems to depend on the motion of the
observer after all, as in classical wave theory, and implies that a
preferred reference frame exists for the propagation of light.
However, the present experiment cannot identify the physical system to
which such a reference frame might be tied.

And there is additional analysis he

Lunar Laser-Ranging Detection of Light-Speed Anisotropy and
Gravitational Waves
Authors: Reginald T Cahill (Flinders University)http://arxiv.org/abs/1001.2358

Abstract: The Apache Point Lunar Laser-ranging Operation (APOLLO), in
NM, can detect photon bounces from retro-reflectors on the moon
surface to 0.1ns timing resolution. This facility enables not only the
detection of light speed anisotropy, which defines a local preferred
frame of reference - only in that frame is the speed of light
isotropic, but also fluctuations/turbulence (gravitational waves) in
the flow of the dynamical 3-space relative to local systems/observers.
So the APOLLO facility can act as an effective "gravitational wave"
detector. A recently published small data set from November 5, 2007,
is analysed to characterise both the average anisotropy velocity and
the wave/turbulence effects. The results are consistent with some 13
previous detections, with the last and most accurate being from the
spacecraft earth-flyby Doppler-shift NASA data.

What to say no gravitational waves and lightspeed
variance.............
Ooooops

Loooky looky no hands....

Surfer wrote:

This is a very interesting discovery.

Originally made he

Lunar Laser Ranging Test of the Invariance of c
Daniel Y. Gezari
http://arxiv.org/abs/0912.3934

Abstract: The speed of laser light pulses launched from Earth and
returned by a retro-reflector on the Moon was calculated from
precision round-trip time-of-flight measurements and modeled
distances. The measured speed of light (c) in the moving observers
rest frame was found to exceed the canonical value c = 299,792,458 m/s
by 200+/-10 m/s,

Nice find. You have the uncanny ability to pick out papers that posit
observations that are contradicted by a HUGE and wide range of other
experiments.

I like how he says the time of flight for photons going to and from the moon
can vary by as much as 3 seconds. What's 3 seconds at light speed in Earth-
Moon separations, again?

Great! He argues c+v. A pretty easy skim when the conclusion is wrong.

just the speed of the observatory along the
line-of-sight due to the rotation of the Earth during the
measurements. This is a first-order violation of local Lorentz
invariance; the speed of light seems to depend on the motion of the
observer after all, as in classical wave theory, and implies that a
preferred reference frame exists for the propagation of light.
However, the present experiment cannot identify the physical system to
which such a reference frame might be tied.


And there is additional analysis he

Lunar Laser-Ranging Detection of Light-Speed Anisotropy and
Gravitational Waves
Authors: Reginald T Cahill (Flinders University)
http://arxiv.org/abs/1001.2358

Oh, lookie here. More citing of Cahill's ****.

[not even reading]

Surfer wrote:

This is a very interesting discovery.

Originally made he

Lunar Laser Ranging Test of the Invariance of c
Daniel Y. Gezari
http://arxiv.org/abs/0912.3934

Abstract: The speed of laser light pulses launched from Earth and
returned by a retro-reflector on the Moon was calculated from
precision round-trip time-of-flight measurements and modeled
distances.

You either have lightspeed and get distance from time, or you have
distance and time to get lightspeed. To model distance from
measurements assuming lightspeed then use that model to determine
lightspeed mght only reveal errors in the model.

Look up Kopeikin, Jupiter, and the speed of gravity. It didn't work
out for Kopeikin.

The van Allen belts, the ionosphere, the atmosphere... are all moving
refractive media.

The measured speed of light (c) in the moving observers
rest frame was found to exceed the canonical value c = 299,792,458 m/s
by 200+/-10 m/s, just the speed of the observatory along the
line-of-sight due to the rotation of the Earth during the
measurements.

Refractive media are moving with the observatory. Add SAGANC EFFECT
and pulse chirping. One doesn't see it as a strong claim.

This is a first-order violation of local Lorentz
invariance; the speed of light seems to depend on the motion of the
observer after all, as in classical wave theory, and implies that a
preferred reference frame exists for the propagation of light.

GPS is rich with movign frame corrections. Apply them here in kind.


However, the present experiment cannot identify the physical system to
which such a reference frame might be tied.

Needs a better physicist.

And there is additional analysis he

Lunar Laser-Ranging Detection of Light-Speed Anisotropy and
Gravitational Waves
Authors: Reginald T Cahill (Flinders University)
http://arxiv.org/abs/1001.2358

Abstract: The Apache Point Lunar Laser-ranging Operation (APOLLO), in
NM, can detect photon bounces from retro-reflectors on the moon
surface to 0.1ns timing resolution. This facility enables not only the
detection of light speed anisotropy, which defines a local preferred
frame of reference - only in that frame is the speed of light
isotropic, but also fluctuations/turbulence (gravitational waves) in
the flow of the dynamical 3-space relative to local systems/observers.
So the APOLLO facility can act as an effective "gravitational wave"
detector. A recently published small data set from November 5, 2007,

"small data set from November 5, 2007"

No mention of the Sagnac effect between moving frames. It is the
Earth-Moon barycenter that orbits the sun. Etc.


is analysed to characterise both the average anisotropy velocity and
the wave/turbulence effects. The results are consistent with some 13
previous detections, with the last and most accurate being from the
spacecraft earth-flyby Doppler-shift NASA data.

--
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(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/qz4.htm

On 2/13/10 12:52 AM, Surfer wrote:
This is a very interesting discovery.

Originally made he

Lunar Laser Ranging Test of the Invariance of c
Daniel Y. Gezari
http://arxiv.org/abs/0912.3934

Lunar Laser-Ranging Detection of Light-Speed Anisotropy and
Gravitational Waves
Authors: Reginald T Cahill (Flinders University)
http://arxiv.org/abs/1001.2358


Whoa! These papers are contradicted in spades!

On Feb 12, 10:52*pm, Surfer wrote:
This is a very interesting discovery.

Originally made he

Lunar Laser Ranging Test of the Invariance of c
Daniel Y. Gezarihttp://arxiv.org/abs/0912.3934

Abstract: The speed of laser light pulses launched from Earth and
returned by a retro-reflector on the Moon was calculated from
precision round-trip time-of-flight measurements and modeled
distances. The measured speed of light (c) in the moving observers
rest frame was found to exceed the canonical value c = 299,792,458 m/s
by 200+/-10 m/s, just the speed of the observatory along the
line-of-sight due to the rotation of the Earth during the
measurements. This is a first-order violation of local Lorentz
invariance; the speed of light seems to depend on the motion of the
observer after all, as in classical wave theory, and implies that a
preferred reference frame exists for the propagation of light.
However, the present experiment cannot identify the physical system to
which such a reference frame might be tied.

And there is additional analysis he

Lunar Laser-Ranging Detection of Light-Speed Anisotropy and
Gravitational Waves
Authors: Reginald T Cahill (Flinders University)http://arxiv.org/abs/1001..2358

Abstract: The Apache Point Lunar Laser-ranging Operation (APOLLO), in
NM, can detect photon bounces from retro-reflectors on the moon
surface to 0.1ns timing resolution. This facility enables not only the
detection of light speed anisotropy, which defines a local preferred
frame of reference - only in that frame is the speed of light
isotropic, but also fluctuations/turbulence (gravitational waves) in
the flow of the dynamical 3-space relative to local systems/observers.
So the APOLLO facility can act as an effective "gravitational wave"
detector. A recently published small data set from November 5, 2007,
is analysed to characterise both the average anisotropy velocity and
the wave/turbulence effects. The results are consistent with some 13
previous detections, with the last and most accurate being from the
spacecraft earth-flyby Doppler-shift NASA data.

You are going to make Einstein crawl up out of his grave, just to
better explain all of this.

~ BG

On Feb 12, 10:52*pm, Surfer wrote:
This is a very interesting discovery.

Originally made he

Lunar Laser Ranging Test of the Invariance of c
Daniel Y. Gezarihttp://arxiv.org/abs/0912.3934

Abstract: The speed of laser light pulses launched from Earth and
returned by a retro-reflector on the Moon was calculated from
precision round-trip time-of-flight measurements and modeled
distances. The measured speed of light (c) in the moving observers
rest frame was found to exceed the canonical value c = 299,792,458 m/s
by 200+/-10 m/s, just the speed of the observatory along the
line-of-sight due to the rotation of the Earth during the
measurements. This is a first-order violation of local Lorentz
invariance; the speed of light seems to depend on the motion of the
observer after all, as in classical wave theory, and implies that a
preferred reference frame exists for the propagation of light.
However, the present experiment cannot identify the physical system to
which such a reference frame might be tied.

And there is additional analysis he

Lunar Laser-Ranging Detection of Light-Speed Anisotropy and
Gravitational Waves
Authors: Reginald T Cahill (Flinders University)http://arxiv.org/abs/1001..2358

Abstract: The Apache Point Lunar Laser-ranging Operation (APOLLO), in
NM, can detect photon bounces from retro-reflectors on the moon
surface to 0.1ns timing resolution. This facility enables not only the
detection of light speed anisotropy, which defines a local preferred
frame of reference - only in that frame is the speed of light
isotropic, but also fluctuations/turbulence (gravitational waves) in
the flow of the dynamical 3-space relative to local systems/observers.
So the APOLLO facility can act as an effective "gravitational wave"
detector. A recently published small data set from November 5, 2007,
is analysed to characterise both the average anisotropy velocity and
the wave/turbulence effects. The results are consistent with some 13
previous detections, with the last and most accurate being from the
spacecraft earth-flyby Doppler-shift NASA data.

You are going to make Einstein, Newton and Planck crawl up out of
their graves, just to better explain all of this.

Being that the relatively thin lithosphere of Earth is continually
being complex tidal modulated by more than 300 mm (540 mm), as well
as aging, cooling and shrinking by some yet unknown amount (Earth is
also losing mass), and the best laser ranging resolution of +/- 30 mm
is all that we have to work with, leaves a wide margin of error that’s
up for subjective interpretation, as to how far and which way our moon
is actually moving (supposedly away from us) per year.

~ BG

On Sat, 13 Feb 2010 17:22:48 +1030, Surfer wrote:

This is a very interesting discovery.

Originally made he

Lunar Laser Ranging Test of the Invariance of c
Daniel Y. Gezari
http://arxiv.org/abs/0912.3934

Abstract: The speed of laser light pulses launched from Earth and
returned by a retro-reflector on the Moon was calculated from
precision round-trip time-of-flight measurements and modeled
distances. The measured speed of light (c) in the moving observers
rest frame was found to exceed the canonical value c = 299,792,458 m/s
by 200+/-10 m/s, just the speed of the observatory along the
line-of-sight due to the rotation of the Earth during the
measurements.


Actually, after having a closer look at the paper I found this claim
is wrong. The calculations don't properly account for movement of
retro-reflector towards the observer in the rest frame of the
observer.

Sorry for any time that might have been wasted.


And there is additional analysis he

This fortunately subjects the raw data to a different analysis.


Lunar Laser-Ranging Detection of Light-Speed Anisotropy and
Gravitational Waves
Authors: Reginald T Cahill (Flinders University)
http://arxiv.org/abs/1001.2358

Abstract: The Apache Point Lunar Laser-ranging Operation (APOLLO), in
NM, can detect photon bounces from retro-reflectors on the moon
surface to 0.1ns timing resolution. This facility enables not only the
detection of light speed anisotropy, which defines a local preferred
frame of reference - only in that frame is the speed of light
isotropic, but also fluctuations/turbulence (gravitational waves) in
the flow of the dynamical 3-space relative to local systems/observers.
So the APOLLO facility can act as an effective "gravitational wave"
detector. A recently published small data set from November 5, 2007,
is analysed to characterise both the average anisotropy velocity and
the wave/turbulence effects. The results are consistent with some 13
previous detections, with the last and most accurate being from the
spacecraft earth-flyby Doppler-shift NASA data.

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On Sat, 13 Feb 2010 17:22:48 +1030, Surfer wrote:

This is a very interesting discovery.

Originally made he

Lunar Laser Ranging Test of the Invariance of c
Daniel Y. Gezari
http://arxiv.org/abs/0912.3934

Abstract: The speed of laser light pulses launched from Earth and
returned by a retro-reflector on the Moon was calculated from
precision round-trip time-of-flight measurements and modeled
distances. The measured speed of light (c) in the moving observers
rest frame was found to exceed the canonical value c = 299,792,458 m/s
by 200+/-10 m/s, just the speed of the observatory along the
line-of-sight due to the rotation of the Earth during the
measurements.


Actually, after having a closer look at the paper I found this claim
is wrong. The calculations don't properly account for movement of
retro-reflector towards the observer in the rest frame of the
observer.

Sorry for any time that might have been wasted.

That's ok, it's not a waste.
It has proven that the Moon moves back and forth at +/- 200 m/s
relative to the Earth and the "invariance of c" test is a failure.
The velocity of light is of course source dependent as some of
us have always known, now you've found yet another confirmation.
So... well done!

BradGuth wrote:

Being that the relatively thin lithosphere of Earth is continually
being complex tidal modulated by more than 300 mm (540 mm)


~ BG

Do you have a reference for the
'tidal modulated by more than 300 mm (540 mm)'

I am interested in time periods,
frequencies and harmonics

Richard D. Saam