Huge Sunspots

In article ,
wrote:

this is much too coincidental to discount.


http://vulcan.wr.usgs.gov/Volcanoes/...llowstone.html

From: U. S. National Park Service Website, Geology Fieldnotes -
Yellowstone
National Park, April 2000
At the heart of Yellowstone's past, present, and future lies volcanism.
Catastrophic eruptions occurred here about 2 million years ago, then 1.2
million years ago, and then 600,000 years a go. The latest eruption spewed
out nearly 240 cubic miles of debris. What is now the park's central
portion
then collapsed, forming a 28- by 47- mile caldera (or basin). The magmatic
heat powering those eruptions still powers the park's famous geysers, hot
springs, fumaroles, and mud pots. The spectacular Grand Canyon of the
Yellowstone River provides a glimpse of Earth's interior: its waterfalls
highlight the boundaries of lava flows and thermal areas. Rugged mountains
flank the park's volcanic plateau, rewarding both eye and spirit.

http://www.geolab.nrcan.gc.ca/geomag/reversals_e.shtml

Reversals have been documented as far back as 330 million years. During
that
time more than 400 reversals have taken place, one roughly every 700,000
years on average. However, the time between reversals is not constant,
varying from less than 100,000 years, to tens of millions of years. In
recent geological times reversals have been occurring on average once
every
200,000 years, but the last reversal occurred 780,000 years ago. At that
time the magnetic field underwent a transition from a "reversed" state to
its present "normal state".



http://groups.google.com/groups?dq=&...newwindow=1&gr
oup=sci.space.science&safe=off&selm=bn8vvc%242g5%2 41%40nntp1.jpl.nasa.gov

Newly uncovered scientific data of recorded history's most
massive space storm is helping a NASA scientist investigate its
intensity and the probability that what occurred on Earth and in
the heavens almost a century-and-a-half ago could happen again.

In scientific circles where solar flares, magnetic storms and
other unique solar events are discussed, the occurrences of
September 1-2, 1859, are the star stuff of legend. Even 144 years
ago, many of Earth's inhabitants realized something momentous had
just occurred. Within hours, telegraph wires in both the United
States and Europe spontaneously shorted out, causing numerous
fires, while the Northern Lights, solar-induced phenomena more
closely associated with regions near Earth's North Pole, were
documented as far south as Rome, Havana and Hawaii, with similar
effects at the South Pole.

And I'm suggesting an event an order of magnitude greater. I'm
suggesting that the Earth's EMT (electromagnetotoroid) could be
stimulated into a mode change and that the effects of such a mode
change (from E loop structure to H loop structure) are loss of magnetic
field source, mass generation, planetary expansion, the effects of
worldwide tensional tectonics which include the rapid subsidence of
entire mountain chains, island chains, the rapid rise of new mountain
systems, gigantic earthquakes, tsunamis, and sporodic hard radiation
showers from solar flares and the impact of Coronal Mass Ejections upon
the planet when not protected by a dipole magnetic field.

There's a growing number of people (geologists, mostly) who have been
introduced to the idea of an expanding earth in the last few years.
While most individuals who support earth expansion related geological
processes are at disagreement as to the cause or physics behind
expansion they are, in most cases, in agreement that Earth expansion is
a reality.

CCRyder

'email by swapping an 'i' for the 'y' in CCRyder.'

"CC" wrote in message
...
In article ,
wrote:

this is much too coincidental to discount.



http://vulcan.wr.usgs.gov/Volcanoes/...llowstone.html

From: U. S. National Park Service Website, Geology Fieldnotes -
Yellowstone
National Park, April 2000
At the heart of Yellowstone's past, present, and future lies
volcanism.
Catastrophic eruptions occurred here about 2 million years ago, then
1.2
million years ago, and then 600,000 years a go. The latest eruption
spewed
out nearly 240 cubic miles of debris. What is now the park's central
portion
then collapsed, forming a 28- by 47- mile caldera (or basin). The
magmatic
heat powering those eruptions still powers the park's famous geysers,
hot
springs, fumaroles, and mud pots. The spectacular Grand Canyon of the
Yellowstone River provides a glimpse of Earth's interior: its
waterfalls
highlight the boundaries of lava flows and thermal areas. Rugged
mountains
flank the park's volcanic plateau, rewarding both eye and spirit.

http://www.geolab.nrcan.gc.ca/geomag/reversals_e.shtml

Reversals have been documented as far back as 330 million years.
During
that
time more than 400 reversals have taken place, one roughly every
700,000
years on average. However, the time between reversals is not constant,
varying from less than 100,000 years, to tens of millions of years. In
recent geological times reversals have been occurring on average once
every
200,000 years, but the last reversal occurred 780,000 years ago. At
that
time the magnetic field underwent a transition from a "reversed" state
to
its present "normal state".




http://groups.google.com/groups?dq=&...newwindow=1&gr

oup=sci.space.science&safe=off&selm=bn8vvc%242g5%2 41%40nntp1.jpl.nasa.gov

Newly uncovered scientific data of recorded history's most
massive space storm is helping a NASA scientist investigate its
intensity and the probability that what occurred on Earth and in
the heavens almost a century-and-a-half ago could happen again.

In scientific circles where solar flares, magnetic storms and
other unique solar events are discussed, the occurrences of
September 1-2, 1859, are the star stuff of legend. Even 144 years
ago, many of Earth's inhabitants realized something momentous had
just occurred. Within hours, telegraph wires in both the United
States and Europe spontaneously shorted out, causing numerous
fires, while the Northern Lights, solar-induced phenomena more
closely associated with regions near Earth's North Pole, were
documented as far south as Rome, Havana and Hawaii, with similar
effects at the South Pole.

And I'm suggesting an event an order of magnitude greater. I'm
suggesting that the Earth's EMT (electromagnetotoroid) could be
stimulated into a mode change and that the effects of such a mode
change (from E loop structure to H loop structure) are loss of magnetic
field source, mass generation, planetary expansion, the effects of
worldwide tensional tectonics which include the rapid subsidence of
entire mountain chains, island chains, the rapid rise of new mountain
systems, gigantic earthquakes, tsunamis, and sporodic hard radiation
showers from solar flares and the impact of Coronal Mass Ejections upon
the planet when not protected by a dipole magnetic field.

That is not too far off from what I was thinking.


There's a growing number of people (geologists, mostly) who have been
introduced to the idea of an expanding earth in the last few years.
While most individuals who support earth expansion related geological
processes are at disagreement as to the cause or physics behind
expansion they are, in most cases, in agreement that Earth expansion is
a reality.

CCRyder

'email by swapping an 'i' for the 'y' in CCRyder.'

http://www.raben.com/maps/
Why is this Group so dead when the Sun is Going Nuts? At the Wrong time in
the cycle?

"CC" wrote in message
...
In article ,
wrote:

this is much too coincidental to discount.



http://vulcan.wr.usgs.gov/Volcanoes/...llowstone.html

From: U. S. National Park Service Website, Geology Fieldnotes -
Yellowstone
National Park, April 2000
At the heart of Yellowstone's past, present, and future lies
volcanism.
Catastrophic eruptions occurred here about 2 million years ago, then
1.2
million years ago, and then 600,000 years a go. The latest eruption
spewed
out nearly 240 cubic miles of debris. What is now the park's central
portion
then collapsed, forming a 28- by 47- mile caldera (or basin). The
magmatic
heat powering those eruptions still powers the park's famous geysers,
hot
springs, fumaroles, and mud pots. The spectacular Grand Canyon of the
Yellowstone River provides a glimpse of Earth's interior: its
waterfalls
highlight the boundaries of lava flows and thermal areas. Rugged
mountains
flank the park's volcanic plateau, rewarding both eye and spirit.

http://www.geolab.nrcan.gc.ca/geomag/reversals_e.shtml

Reversals have been documented as far back as 330 million years.
During
that
time more than 400 reversals have taken place, one roughly every
700,000
years on average. However, the time between reversals is not constant,
varying from less than 100,000 years, to tens of millions of years. In
recent geological times reversals have been occurring on average once
every
200,000 years, but the last reversal occurred 780,000 years ago. At
that
time the magnetic field underwent a transition from a "reversed" state
to
its present "normal state".




http://groups.google.com/groups?dq=&...newwindow=1&gr

oup=sci.space.science&safe=off&selm=bn8vvc%242g5%2 41%40nntp1.jpl.nasa.gov

Newly uncovered scientific data of recorded history's most
massive space storm is helping a NASA scientist investigate its
intensity and the probability that what occurred on Earth and in
the heavens almost a century-and-a-half ago could happen again.

In scientific circles where solar flares, magnetic storms and
other unique solar events are discussed, the occurrences of
September 1-2, 1859, are the star stuff of legend. Even 144 years
ago, many of Earth's inhabitants realized something momentous had
just occurred. Within hours, telegraph wires in both the United
States and Europe spontaneously shorted out, causing numerous
fires, while the Northern Lights, solar-induced phenomena more
closely associated with regions near Earth's North Pole, were
documented as far south as Rome, Havana and Hawaii, with similar
effects at the South Pole.

And I'm suggesting an event an order of magnitude greater. I'm
suggesting that the Earth's EMT (electromagnetotoroid) could be
stimulated into a mode change and that the effects of such a mode
change (from E loop structure to H loop structure) are loss of magnetic
field source, mass generation, planetary expansion, the effects of
worldwide tensional tectonics which include the rapid subsidence of
entire mountain chains, island chains, the rapid rise of new mountain
systems, gigantic earthquakes, tsunamis, and sporodic hard radiation
showers from solar flares and the impact of Coronal Mass Ejections upon
the planet when not protected by a dipole magnetic field.

That is not too far off from what I was thinking.


There's a growing number of people (geologists, mostly) who have been
introduced to the idea of an expanding earth in the last few years.
While most individuals who support earth expansion related geological
processes are at disagreement as to the cause or physics behind
expansion they are, in most cases, in agreement that Earth expansion is
a reality.

CCRyder

'email by swapping an 'i' for the 'y' in CCRyder.'

http://www.raben.com/maps/
Why is this Group so dead when the Sun is Going Nuts? At the Wrong time in
the cycle?

Bob posted:

Why is this Group so dead when the Sun is Going Nuts? At the Wrong time in
the cycle?

Most gave up on this group a long time ago, as a lot of people can't seem to
read the "solar" part of the name. Thus, almost any topic in the "fringe"
gets posted here rather than those only concerning the sun and solar
observations (the real charter topic). Most serious solar observers are on
one or more of the moderated e-mail lists, and they tend to be fairly active
right now (no TEOFWAWKI ("The End of the World as We Know It") postings
though). Its a lot of fun to watch the sun doing its thing right now
(especially in H-alpha), considering where we are in the cycle. It was a real
treat for me to watch the spectacular activity on the limb last week burst
forth into several flares. However, such activity bursts have been known to
occur on the cycle's downside, so its nothing exactly new (or alarming). In
fact, many of the more impulsive flares tend to occur after sunspot maximum
rather than at the peak of sunspot activity. I saw one of the largest ribbon
flares I have ever seen only a year before sunspot minimum, so such big
outbursts do happen. We are in the decline of the cycle, but not so much that
the sun doesn't remind us who is "king of the solar system" every once in a
while. Clear skies to you.
--
David W. Knisely
Prairie Astronomy Club: http://www.prairieastronomyclub.org
Hyde Memorial Observatory: http://www.hydeobservatory.info/

**********************************************
* Attend the 11th Annual NEBRASKA STAR PARTY *
* July 18-23, 2004, Merritt Reservoir *
* http://www.NebraskaStarParty.org *
**********************************************

Bob posted:

Why is this Group so dead when the Sun is Going Nuts? At the Wrong time in
the cycle?

Most gave up on this group a long time ago, as a lot of people can't seem to
read the "solar" part of the name. Thus, almost any topic in the "fringe"
gets posted here rather than those only concerning the sun and solar
observations (the real charter topic). Most serious solar observers are on
one or more of the moderated e-mail lists, and they tend to be fairly active
right now (no TEOFWAWKI ("The End of the World as We Know It") postings
though). Its a lot of fun to watch the sun doing its thing right now
(especially in H-alpha), considering where we are in the cycle. It was a real
treat for me to watch the spectacular activity on the limb last week burst
forth into several flares. However, such activity bursts have been known to
occur on the cycle's downside, so its nothing exactly new (or alarming). In
fact, many of the more impulsive flares tend to occur after sunspot maximum
rather than at the peak of sunspot activity. I saw one of the largest ribbon
flares I have ever seen only a year before sunspot minimum, so such big
outbursts do happen. We are in the decline of the cycle, but not so much that
the sun doesn't remind us who is "king of the solar system" every once in a
while. Clear skies to you.
--
David W. Knisely
Prairie Astronomy Club: http://www.prairieastronomyclub.org
Hyde Memorial Observatory: http://www.hydeobservatory.info/

**********************************************
* Attend the 11th Annual NEBRASKA STAR PARTY *
* July 18-23, 2004, Merritt Reservoir *
* http://www.NebraskaStarParty.org *
**********************************************

David Knisely wrote:

Bob posted:

Why is this Group so dead when the Sun is Going Nuts? At the Wrong time in
the cycle?

Most gave up on this group a long time ago, as a lot of people can't seem to
read the "solar" part of the name.
SNIP
However, such activity bursts have been known to
occur on the cycle's downside, so its nothing exactly new (or alarming). In
fact, many of the more impulsive flares tend to occur after sunspot maximum
rather than at the peak of sunspot activity.

David - thanks for your post. This group may be in the doldrums but
you answered a question I have put in more on topic groups without
getting an answer - is it normal for the Sun to have so many kicks
left in it?

As an observer of 2 years, this is my first decent to minimum and it
hasn't been what I anticipated.

This latest appearance, the ring (or horseshoe), seems to reinforce my
unexpected conclusion that sunspots/groups are far less stable than
they were 2 or 3 years ago - they develope and fade with greater
rapidity. Where before you could count on a group to last 3 or 4
rotations and be more or less recognisable on each rotation, for the
last few months each day has been a surprise.

Incidentally I made my first solar viewer, a projection scope, in
early 2001 and had first light with it on March 28. As luck would have
it, this first sight of the Sun was of a group containing the largest
sunspot I have ever seen - and the biggest in the cycle. It dwarfed
what's going on now, yet there were no shouts of apocalypse.

Cheers

Martin

--------------
Martin Frey
N 51 02 E 0 47
--------------

David Knisely wrote:

Bob posted:

Why is this Group so dead when the Sun is Going Nuts? At the Wrong time in
the cycle?

Most gave up on this group a long time ago, as a lot of people can't seem to
read the "solar" part of the name.
SNIP
However, such activity bursts have been known to
occur on the cycle's downside, so its nothing exactly new (or alarming). In
fact, many of the more impulsive flares tend to occur after sunspot maximum
rather than at the peak of sunspot activity.

David - thanks for your post. This group may be in the doldrums but
you answered a question I have put in more on topic groups without
getting an answer - is it normal for the Sun to have so many kicks
left in it?

As an observer of 2 years, this is my first decent to minimum and it
hasn't been what I anticipated.

This latest appearance, the ring (or horseshoe), seems to reinforce my
unexpected conclusion that sunspots/groups are far less stable than
they were 2 or 3 years ago - they develope and fade with greater
rapidity. Where before you could count on a group to last 3 or 4
rotations and be more or less recognisable on each rotation, for the
last few months each day has been a surprise.

Incidentally I made my first solar viewer, a projection scope, in
early 2001 and had first light with it on March 28. As luck would have
it, this first sight of the Sun was of a group containing the largest
sunspot I have ever seen - and the biggest in the cycle. It dwarfed
what's going on now, yet there were no shouts of apocalypse.

Cheers

Martin

--------------
Martin Frey
N 51 02 E 0 47
--------------

"Martin Frey" wrote in message
...
David Knisely wrote:

Bob posted:

Why is this Group so dead when the Sun is Going Nuts? At the Wrong time
in
the cycle?

Most gave up on this group a long time ago, as a lot of people can't seem
to
read the "solar" part of the name.
SNIP
However, such activity bursts have been known to
occur on the cycle's downside, so its nothing exactly new (or alarming).
In
fact, many of the more impulsive flares tend to occur after sunspot
maximum
rather than at the peak of sunspot activity.

David - thanks for your post. This group may be in the doldrums but
you answered a question I have put in more on topic groups without
getting an answer - is it normal for the Sun to have so many kicks
left in it?

As an observer of 2 years, this is my first decent to minimum and it
hasn't been what I anticipated.

This latest appearance, the ring (or horseshoe), seems to reinforce my
unexpected conclusion that sunspots/groups are far less stable than
they were 2 or 3 years ago - they develope and fade with greater
rapidity. Where before you could count on a group to last 3 or 4
rotations and be more or less recognisable on each rotation, for the
last few months each day has been a surprise.

Incidentally I made my first solar viewer, a projection scope, in
early 2001 and had first light with it on March 28. As luck would have
it, this first sight of the Sun was of a group containing the largest
sunspot I have ever seen - and the biggest in the cycle. It dwarfed
what's going on now, yet there were no shouts of apocalypse.

Cheers

Martin
http://www.sec.noaa.gov/today.html

Looks like that one went "past" the X portion of the scale

"Martin Frey" wrote in message
...
David Knisely wrote:

Bob posted:

Why is this Group so dead when the Sun is Going Nuts? At the Wrong time
in
the cycle?

Most gave up on this group a long time ago, as a lot of people can't seem
to
read the "solar" part of the name.
SNIP
However, such activity bursts have been known to
occur on the cycle's downside, so its nothing exactly new (or alarming).
In
fact, many of the more impulsive flares tend to occur after sunspot
maximum
rather than at the peak of sunspot activity.

David - thanks for your post. This group may be in the doldrums but
you answered a question I have put in more on topic groups without
getting an answer - is it normal for the Sun to have so many kicks
left in it?

As an observer of 2 years, this is my first decent to minimum and it
hasn't been what I anticipated.

This latest appearance, the ring (or horseshoe), seems to reinforce my
unexpected conclusion that sunspots/groups are far less stable than
they were 2 or 3 years ago - they develope and fade with greater
rapidity. Where before you could count on a group to last 3 or 4
rotations and be more or less recognisable on each rotation, for the
last few months each day has been a surprise.

Incidentally I made my first solar viewer, a projection scope, in
early 2001 and had first light with it on March 28. As luck would have
it, this first sight of the Sun was of a group containing the largest
sunspot I have ever seen - and the biggest in the cycle. It dwarfed
what's going on now, yet there were no shouts of apocalypse.

Cheers

Martin
http://www.sec.noaa.gov/today.html

Looks like that one went "past" the X portion of the scale

http://www.sec.noaa.gov/today.html

Looks like that one went "past" the X portion of the scale


http://www.sec.noaa.gov/rt_plots/xray_1m.html