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Some fear monger wrote:
That's not true. These are unusually big sunspots. And as I stated 'if increased several fold' then there would be cause for concern. Obviously you have little experience with observing sunspots. There are a number of groups in observational history which are on the same order of size as the ones currently active. Utter blustery nonsense. Yup, that is what you are spouting "Chuckie". Another entry for the killfile. -- David W. Knisely Prairie Astronomy Club: http://www.prairieastronomyclub.org Hyde Memorial Observatory: http://www.hydeobservatory.info/ ********************************************** * Attend the 11th Annual NEBRASKA STAR PARTY * * July 18-23, 2004, Merritt Reservoir * * http://www.NebraskaStarParty.org * ********************************************** |
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You did nothing of the kind. Why lie? ...... CCRyder Of course I didn't! But I have enough respect for the readers of this newsgroup to believe that most (if not, alas, all) of them are perfectly capable of distinguishing between a little lighthearted banter (such as my comment) and a serious contribution (such as that of Mr Ryder) |
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You did nothing of the kind. Why lie? ...... CCRyder Of course I didn't! But I have enough respect for the readers of this newsgroup to believe that most (if not, alas, all) of them are perfectly capable of distinguishing between a little lighthearted banter (such as my comment) and a serious contribution (such as that of Mr Ryder) |
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"CC" wrote in message ... In article 1067106892.689938@cache2, David Knisely wrote: Somebody posted: The kind of activity going on is precisely the kind of activity that if increased several fold could easily trigger the onset of a rapid magnetic pole reversal sequence for the Earth. Wrong. This kind of activity has been happening for centuries. That's not true. These are unusually big sunspots. And as I stated 'if increased several fold' then there would be cause for concern. It has little if any effect on the internally-generated portion of the Earth's magnetic field. A strong geomagnetic storm will cause variations in the measured strength of the field up here, but down inside the Earth, the effects of the storm will be negligable. Utter blustery nonsense. In fact, the dynamics of the generation of the Earth's magnetic field is not known by the general community of geophysicists. Even less is known about the processes which cause a dipole reversal sequence to begin to take place. For you to stand forth and pontificate otherwise is dishonest as well as irresponsible. I've spent years studying the physics of flux loop structures, the mechanism for their generation and have discovered the mechanism for the mode change of one type of flux loop into the other. You don't see the danger because you haven't a clue as to the underlying physics. The reality is that several violent solar flares in rapid succession, perhaps coupled with the impact upon the Earth's primary electromagnetotoroid of a squarely aimed Coronal Mass Ejection, could, in fact, stimulate the Earth's EMT into undergoing a fairly rapid mode change. That you remain ignorant of the basic physics of flux loop systems is quite understandable but that you pretend to an understanding of the Earth's magnetic field so as to attempt to assure people that there's nothing to worry about is beyond rational comprehension. You assume that this just an opportunity for you to start a ****ing contest, Knisely. In fact, it should be an opportunity for you to learn something. But then how is it that you could learn anything when you have given the impression that you already know everything? Of course, I'm Charles Cagle. Changing my email address was an attempt to shed myself of spam, not an attempt at disguising my identity. CCRyder Mankind must be prepared to face the horror story of all of the violent and rapid geological changes which must ensue as a function of a mode change of the Earth's Electromagnetotoroid (EMT) from the large scale E loop mode which displays the features of a magnetic dipole to the H loop mode which will display the features of a large scale electric dipole. Ah, yes, another fear monger (you wouldn't be related to a certain "Cagle" now would you?). Fear monger? I'm not selling it. People should be concerned with the greatly devastating geological changes which will accompany a mode change of the Earth's EMT. There are perhaps a billion or more Christians in the world and the prophecies of Christ (and Isaiah and others) as to the coming devastation of the Day of Wrath are or should be of immediate concern to many of them. Clearly predicted is a violent solar maximum, solar scorching of the Earth's surface, giant Earthquakes, Tsunamis, the rapid descent of whole mountain chains, the rapid rise of other new mountain systems. In fact, the violence of these coming events will probably kill two thirds of mankind. If people can take some preparatory action that might enhance their chances for survival then you shouldn't try to thwart any warning that is given to them. Of course, you don't believe that you will be held responsible for any of your actions, but nevertheless you will be. Hold your peace, David, and make things easier on yourself. CCRyder 'to email replace the 'y' with an 'i' in Ryder. this is much too coincidental to discount. http://vulcan.wr.usgs.gov/Volcanoes/...llowstone.html From: U. S. National Park Service Website, Geology Fieldnotes - Yellowstone National Park, April 2000 At the heart of Yellowstone's past, present, and future lies volcanism. Catastrophic eruptions occurred here about 2 million years ago, then 1.2 million years ago, and then 600,000 years a go. The latest eruption spewed out nearly 240 cubic miles of debris. What is now the park's central portion then collapsed, forming a 28- by 47- mile caldera (or basin). The magmatic heat powering those eruptions still powers the park's famous geysers, hot springs, fumaroles, and mud pots. The spectacular Grand Canyon of the Yellowstone River provides a glimpse of Earth's interior: its waterfalls highlight the boundaries of lava flows and thermal areas. Rugged mountains flank the park's volcanic plateau, rewarding both eye and spirit. http://www.geolab.nrcan.gc.ca/geomag/reversals_e.shtml Reversals have been documented as far back as 330 million years. During that time more than 400 reversals have taken place, one roughly every 700,000 years on average. However, the time between reversals is not constant, varying from less than 100,000 years, to tens of millions of years. In recent geological times reversals have been occurring on average once every 200,000 years, but the last reversal occurred 780,000 years ago. At that time the magnetic field underwent a transition from a "reversed" state to its present "normal state". |
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"CC" wrote in message ... In article 1067106892.689938@cache2, David Knisely wrote: Somebody posted: The kind of activity going on is precisely the kind of activity that if increased several fold could easily trigger the onset of a rapid magnetic pole reversal sequence for the Earth. Wrong. This kind of activity has been happening for centuries. That's not true. These are unusually big sunspots. And as I stated 'if increased several fold' then there would be cause for concern. It has little if any effect on the internally-generated portion of the Earth's magnetic field. A strong geomagnetic storm will cause variations in the measured strength of the field up here, but down inside the Earth, the effects of the storm will be negligable. Utter blustery nonsense. In fact, the dynamics of the generation of the Earth's magnetic field is not known by the general community of geophysicists. Even less is known about the processes which cause a dipole reversal sequence to begin to take place. For you to stand forth and pontificate otherwise is dishonest as well as irresponsible. I've spent years studying the physics of flux loop structures, the mechanism for their generation and have discovered the mechanism for the mode change of one type of flux loop into the other. You don't see the danger because you haven't a clue as to the underlying physics. The reality is that several violent solar flares in rapid succession, perhaps coupled with the impact upon the Earth's primary electromagnetotoroid of a squarely aimed Coronal Mass Ejection, could, in fact, stimulate the Earth's EMT into undergoing a fairly rapid mode change. That you remain ignorant of the basic physics of flux loop systems is quite understandable but that you pretend to an understanding of the Earth's magnetic field so as to attempt to assure people that there's nothing to worry about is beyond rational comprehension. You assume that this just an opportunity for you to start a ****ing contest, Knisely. In fact, it should be an opportunity for you to learn something. But then how is it that you could learn anything when you have given the impression that you already know everything? Of course, I'm Charles Cagle. Changing my email address was an attempt to shed myself of spam, not an attempt at disguising my identity. CCRyder Mankind must be prepared to face the horror story of all of the violent and rapid geological changes which must ensue as a function of a mode change of the Earth's Electromagnetotoroid (EMT) from the large scale E loop mode which displays the features of a magnetic dipole to the H loop mode which will display the features of a large scale electric dipole. Ah, yes, another fear monger (you wouldn't be related to a certain "Cagle" now would you?). Fear monger? I'm not selling it. People should be concerned with the greatly devastating geological changes which will accompany a mode change of the Earth's EMT. There are perhaps a billion or more Christians in the world and the prophecies of Christ (and Isaiah and others) as to the coming devastation of the Day of Wrath are or should be of immediate concern to many of them. Clearly predicted is a violent solar maximum, solar scorching of the Earth's surface, giant Earthquakes, Tsunamis, the rapid descent of whole mountain chains, the rapid rise of other new mountain systems. In fact, the violence of these coming events will probably kill two thirds of mankind. If people can take some preparatory action that might enhance their chances for survival then you shouldn't try to thwart any warning that is given to them. Of course, you don't believe that you will be held responsible for any of your actions, but nevertheless you will be. Hold your peace, David, and make things easier on yourself. CCRyder 'to email replace the 'y' with an 'i' in Ryder. this is much too coincidental to discount. http://vulcan.wr.usgs.gov/Volcanoes/...llowstone.html From: U. S. National Park Service Website, Geology Fieldnotes - Yellowstone National Park, April 2000 At the heart of Yellowstone's past, present, and future lies volcanism. Catastrophic eruptions occurred here about 2 million years ago, then 1.2 million years ago, and then 600,000 years a go. The latest eruption spewed out nearly 240 cubic miles of debris. What is now the park's central portion then collapsed, forming a 28- by 47- mile caldera (or basin). The magmatic heat powering those eruptions still powers the park's famous geysers, hot springs, fumaroles, and mud pots. The spectacular Grand Canyon of the Yellowstone River provides a glimpse of Earth's interior: its waterfalls highlight the boundaries of lava flows and thermal areas. Rugged mountains flank the park's volcanic plateau, rewarding both eye and spirit. http://www.geolab.nrcan.gc.ca/geomag/reversals_e.shtml Reversals have been documented as far back as 330 million years. During that time more than 400 reversals have taken place, one roughly every 700,000 years on average. However, the time between reversals is not constant, varying from less than 100,000 years, to tens of millions of years. In recent geological times reversals have been occurring on average once every 200,000 years, but the last reversal occurred 780,000 years ago. At that time the magnetic field underwent a transition from a "reversed" state to its present "normal state". |
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this is much too coincidental to discount. http://vulcan.wr.usgs.gov/Volcanoes/...llowstone.html From: U. S. National Park Service Website, Geology Fieldnotes - Yellowstone National Park, April 2000 At the heart of Yellowstone's past, present, and future lies volcanism. Catastrophic eruptions occurred here about 2 million years ago, then 1.2 million years ago, and then 600,000 years a go. The latest eruption spewed out nearly 240 cubic miles of debris. What is now the park's central portion then collapsed, forming a 28- by 47- mile caldera (or basin). The magmatic heat powering those eruptions still powers the park's famous geysers, hot springs, fumaroles, and mud pots. The spectacular Grand Canyon of the Yellowstone River provides a glimpse of Earth's interior: its waterfalls highlight the boundaries of lava flows and thermal areas. Rugged mountains flank the park's volcanic plateau, rewarding both eye and spirit. http://www.geolab.nrcan.gc.ca/geomag/reversals_e.shtml Reversals have been documented as far back as 330 million years. During that time more than 400 reversals have taken place, one roughly every 700,000 years on average. However, the time between reversals is not constant, varying from less than 100,000 years, to tens of millions of years. In recent geological times reversals have been occurring on average once every 200,000 years, but the last reversal occurred 780,000 years ago. At that time the magnetic field underwent a transition from a "reversed" state to its present "normal state". http://groups.google.com/groups?dq=&...1.jpl.nasa.gov Newly uncovered scientific data of recorded history's most massive space storm is helping a NASA scientist investigate its intensity and the probability that what occurred on Earth and in the heavens almost a century-and-a-half ago could happen again. In scientific circles where solar flares, magnetic storms and other unique solar events are discussed, the occurrences of September 1-2, 1859, are the star stuff of legend. Even 144 years ago, many of Earth's inhabitants realized something momentous had just occurred. Within hours, telegraph wires in both the United States and Europe spontaneously shorted out, causing numerous fires, while the Northern Lights, solar-induced phenomena more closely associated with regions near Earth's North Pole, were documented as far south as Rome, Havana and Hawaii, with similar effects at the South Pole. |
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this is much too coincidental to discount. http://vulcan.wr.usgs.gov/Volcanoes/...llowstone.html From: U. S. National Park Service Website, Geology Fieldnotes - Yellowstone National Park, April 2000 At the heart of Yellowstone's past, present, and future lies volcanism. Catastrophic eruptions occurred here about 2 million years ago, then 1.2 million years ago, and then 600,000 years a go. The latest eruption spewed out nearly 240 cubic miles of debris. What is now the park's central portion then collapsed, forming a 28- by 47- mile caldera (or basin). The magmatic heat powering those eruptions still powers the park's famous geysers, hot springs, fumaroles, and mud pots. The spectacular Grand Canyon of the Yellowstone River provides a glimpse of Earth's interior: its waterfalls highlight the boundaries of lava flows and thermal areas. Rugged mountains flank the park's volcanic plateau, rewarding both eye and spirit. http://www.geolab.nrcan.gc.ca/geomag/reversals_e.shtml Reversals have been documented as far back as 330 million years. During that time more than 400 reversals have taken place, one roughly every 700,000 years on average. However, the time between reversals is not constant, varying from less than 100,000 years, to tens of millions of years. In recent geological times reversals have been occurring on average once every 200,000 years, but the last reversal occurred 780,000 years ago. At that time the magnetic field underwent a transition from a "reversed" state to its present "normal state". http://groups.google.com/groups?dq=&...1.jpl.nasa.gov Newly uncovered scientific data of recorded history's most massive space storm is helping a NASA scientist investigate its intensity and the probability that what occurred on Earth and in the heavens almost a century-and-a-half ago could happen again. In scientific circles where solar flares, magnetic storms and other unique solar events are discussed, the occurrences of September 1-2, 1859, are the star stuff of legend. Even 144 years ago, many of Earth's inhabitants realized something momentous had just occurred. Within hours, telegraph wires in both the United States and Europe spontaneously shorted out, causing numerous fires, while the Northern Lights, solar-induced phenomena more closely associated with regions near Earth's North Pole, were documented as far south as Rome, Havana and Hawaii, with similar effects at the South Pole. |
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wrote in message ... this is much too coincidental to discount. http://vulcan.wr.usgs.gov/Volcanoes/...llowstone.html From: U. S. National Park Service Website, Geology Fieldnotes - Yellowstone National Park, April 2000 At the heart of Yellowstone's past, present, and future lies volcanism. Catastrophic eruptions occurred here about 2 million years ago, then 1.2 million years ago, and then 600,000 years a go. The latest eruption spewed out nearly 240 cubic miles of debris. What is now the park's central portion then collapsed, forming a 28- by 47- mile caldera (or basin). The magmatic heat powering those eruptions still powers the park's famous geysers, hot springs, fumaroles, and mud pots. The spectacular Grand Canyon of the Yellowstone River provides a glimpse of Earth's interior: its waterfalls highlight the boundaries of lava flows and thermal areas. Rugged mountains flank the park's volcanic plateau, rewarding both eye and spirit. http://www.geolab.nrcan.gc.ca/geomag/reversals_e.shtml Reversals have been documented as far back as 330 million years. During that time more than 400 reversals have taken place, one roughly every 700,000 years on average. However, the time between reversals is not constant, varying from less than 100,000 years, to tens of millions of years. In recent geological times reversals have been occurring on average once every 200,000 years, but the last reversal occurred 780,000 years ago. At that time the magnetic field underwent a transition from a "reversed" state to its present "normal state". http://groups.google.com/groups?dq=&...1.jpl.nasa.gov Newly uncovered scientific data of recorded history's most massive space storm is helping a NASA scientist investigate its intensity and the probability that what occurred on Earth and in the heavens almost a century-and-a-half ago could happen again. In scientific circles where solar flares, magnetic storms and other unique solar events are discussed, the occurrences of September 1-2, 1859, are the star stuff of legend. Even 144 years ago, many of Earth's inhabitants realized something momentous had just occurred. Within hours, telegraph wires in both the United States and Europe spontaneously shorted out, causing numerous fires, while the Northern Lights, solar-induced phenomena more closely associated with regions near Earth's North Pole, were documented as far south as Rome, Havana and Hawaii, with similar effects at the South Pole. what obits the sun in 5 or 6 days? http://150.144.30.101/data/LATEST/current_c2.mpg |
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wrote in message ... this is much too coincidental to discount. http://vulcan.wr.usgs.gov/Volcanoes/...llowstone.html From: U. S. National Park Service Website, Geology Fieldnotes - Yellowstone National Park, April 2000 At the heart of Yellowstone's past, present, and future lies volcanism. Catastrophic eruptions occurred here about 2 million years ago, then 1.2 million years ago, and then 600,000 years a go. The latest eruption spewed out nearly 240 cubic miles of debris. What is now the park's central portion then collapsed, forming a 28- by 47- mile caldera (or basin). The magmatic heat powering those eruptions still powers the park's famous geysers, hot springs, fumaroles, and mud pots. The spectacular Grand Canyon of the Yellowstone River provides a glimpse of Earth's interior: its waterfalls highlight the boundaries of lava flows and thermal areas. Rugged mountains flank the park's volcanic plateau, rewarding both eye and spirit. http://www.geolab.nrcan.gc.ca/geomag/reversals_e.shtml Reversals have been documented as far back as 330 million years. During that time more than 400 reversals have taken place, one roughly every 700,000 years on average. However, the time between reversals is not constant, varying from less than 100,000 years, to tens of millions of years. In recent geological times reversals have been occurring on average once every 200,000 years, but the last reversal occurred 780,000 years ago. At that time the magnetic field underwent a transition from a "reversed" state to its present "normal state". http://groups.google.com/groups?dq=&...1.jpl.nasa.gov Newly uncovered scientific data of recorded history's most massive space storm is helping a NASA scientist investigate its intensity and the probability that what occurred on Earth and in the heavens almost a century-and-a-half ago could happen again. In scientific circles where solar flares, magnetic storms and other unique solar events are discussed, the occurrences of September 1-2, 1859, are the star stuff of legend. Even 144 years ago, many of Earth's inhabitants realized something momentous had just occurred. Within hours, telegraph wires in both the United States and Europe spontaneously shorted out, causing numerous fires, while the Northern Lights, solar-induced phenomena more closely associated with regions near Earth's North Pole, were documented as far south as Rome, Havana and Hawaii, with similar effects at the South Pole. what obits the sun in 5 or 6 days? http://150.144.30.101/data/LATEST/current_c2.mpg |
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wrote: this is much too coincidental to discount. http://vulcan.wr.usgs.gov/Volcanoes/...llowstone.html From: U. S. National Park Service Website, Geology Fieldnotes - Yellowstone National Park, April 2000 At the heart of Yellowstone's past, present, and future lies volcanism. Catastrophic eruptions occurred here about 2 million years ago, then 1.2 million years ago, and then 600,000 years a go. The latest eruption spewed out nearly 240 cubic miles of debris. What is now the park's central portion then collapsed, forming a 28- by 47- mile caldera (or basin). The magmatic heat powering those eruptions still powers the park's famous geysers, hot springs, fumaroles, and mud pots. The spectacular Grand Canyon of the Yellowstone River provides a glimpse of Earth's interior: its waterfalls highlight the boundaries of lava flows and thermal areas. Rugged mountains flank the park's volcanic plateau, rewarding both eye and spirit. http://www.geolab.nrcan.gc.ca/geomag/reversals_e.shtml Reversals have been documented as far back as 330 million years. During that time more than 400 reversals have taken place, one roughly every 700,000 years on average. However, the time between reversals is not constant, varying from less than 100,000 years, to tens of millions of years. In recent geological times reversals have been occurring on average once every 200,000 years, but the last reversal occurred 780,000 years ago. At that time the magnetic field underwent a transition from a "reversed" state to its present "normal state". http://groups.google.com/groups?dq=&...newwindow=1&gr oup=sci.space.science&safe=off&selm=bn8vvc%242g5%2 41%40nntp1.jpl.nasa.gov Newly uncovered scientific data of recorded history's most massive space storm is helping a NASA scientist investigate its intensity and the probability that what occurred on Earth and in the heavens almost a century-and-a-half ago could happen again. In scientific circles where solar flares, magnetic storms and other unique solar events are discussed, the occurrences of September 1-2, 1859, are the star stuff of legend. Even 144 years ago, many of Earth's inhabitants realized something momentous had just occurred. Within hours, telegraph wires in both the United States and Europe spontaneously shorted out, causing numerous fires, while the Northern Lights, solar-induced phenomena more closely associated with regions near Earth's North Pole, were documented as far south as Rome, Havana and Hawaii, with similar effects at the South Pole. And I'm suggesting an event an order of magnitude greater. I'm suggesting that the Earth's EMT (electromagnetotoroid) could be stimulated into a mode change and that the effects of such a mode change (from E loop structure to H loop structure) are loss of magnetic field source, mass generation, planetary expansion, the effects of worldwide tensional tectonics which include the rapid subsidence of entire mountain chains, island chains, the rapid rise of new mountain systems, gigantic earthquakes, tsunamis, and sporodic hard radiation showers from solar flares and the impact of Coronal Mass Ejections upon the planet when not protected by a dipole magnetic field. There's a growing number of people (geologists, mostly) who have been introduced to the idea of an expanding earth in the last few years. While most individuals who support earth expansion related geological processes are at disagreement as to the cause or physics behind expansion they are, in most cases, in agreement that Earth expansion is a reality. CCRyder 'email by swapping an 'i' for the 'y' in CCRyder.' |
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