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Proof Of Evolution.
Proof Of Evolution.
On Jul 15, 2:36 am, Pastor Dave wrote to someone: You have given zero proof of macroevolution and that is what you need to prove and can't. Bugs staying bugs does not equal "goo to you". Nor does falsely labeling me do anything but prove your true intent. Pastor Dave Everything that exists is an evolution. From ideas to creatures to rocks to atoms and stars: Everything without a single exception. This is how it is possible to KNOW that any and all proposals which exclude the evolutionary process from ANYTHING is self-evident proof in-and-of-itself that such a proposal is flawed AND therefore partly or entirely wrong. Existence is absolutely deterministic. Otherwise physical impossibilities become not only possible but almost inevitable. We become a realm of magic! I know that theists believe in nothing BUT magic. And that therefore reason and logic, even the most obvious and self-evident proofs & facts are of no use to counter their mental illness (for it is not unlike a madness, this unreasonable conviction that deists have that existence is everywhere awash in evidence of magic all around us). This sickness even permeates into science and retards/thwarts it. The classical historical example is when Galileo showed his telescope to the Pope. Dogma said that the heavens were perfect and only the earth was corrupt... and that because we were God's special creation the universe circled the earth: IF but looking upon the truth were enough to convince one of its rightness, surely the Pope would be instantly convinced when he looked through his telescope and saw the pox-faced Moon... and all sorts of heavenly bodies circling NOT the earth but Jupiter and other mere planets! But, the Pope looked, and the Pope saw, and the Pope had to admit to Galileo that he was seeing what he was seeing. And then, as we all know, the Pope showed Galileo the instruments of torture which he threatened to use on him if he did not publicly say that it was Dogma that was true and NOT what their eyes were seeing. It is a social sickness, a mental illness from which human beings suffer no end. But I will persist, none-the-less, and mention in passing the evolution of pathogens which is killing a whole lot of atheists and theists alike: By the simplest laws of Darwinian adaptation of the fittest pathogens which used to kill us in great numbers were "conquered" by our discovery of antibiotics. We literally "flushed" the deadly pathogens from our system and kept them out by a great flood of antibiotics... forgetting that evolution and not God or even all our human efforts is what rules the universe. Well, we DID kill most of the deadly pathogens, but the survivors "adapted" to the new environment of antibiotics. And now the "evolved" pathogens are returning the state of affairs to the way it used to be before our discovery of antibiotics--With an ironic twist: because the newly evolved pathogens actually thrive in a body flushed with antibiotics, giving those antibiotics to people sickened with such pathogens actually makes things worst than were they not given any antibiotics at all! (We can still invent newer antibiotics, of course, but evolution will ensure that the matter will always rest where it has always rested: in a never-ending arms-race between living organisms to see which wins the reproduction race. I have my money on the worst bugs, whether that turn out to be they or us.) Ignore the truth of evolution at your own peril. In the case of H.I.V. research, there was also a curious instance in which evolution can be seen playing a quite dramatic role: Researchers were able to kill off a large percentage of the AIDS virus (it doesn't matter which for this example) with a heavy concoction of drugs, and patients seemed to thrive. But then they began to sicken again. Stubborn as people are, and doctors are people too, they persisted on the regimen of drugs being administered. With sad consequences. Then some patients decided, on their own, to stop taking the cocktail of drugs; and actually improved without any drugs. But it was not magic, it was evolution at work: The original viruses were killed (suppressed) by the cocktail of drugs... leaving only those viruses best "adapted" to an environment flushed with the drugs cocktail to "reproduce." Then, when the drugs were removed, those viruses "best adapted" to live in an environment without the drugs "replaced" the newly- evolved viruses. And we go back to the same old arms-race that evolution has unleashed upon this earth since its beginnings, worlds without end. But don't despair: Life is impossible without death. It may be a great tragedy to the individual, but death ensures that every generation of creatures is the best adapted to survive in whatever existence this planet offers--Something which is completely unpredictable: Therefore, were it the case that life depended on some well-thought-out plan, instead of on blind evolution, I simply cannot imagine how on earth life might have avoided some catastrophically stupid blunder long before now and killed itself... rather than waiting for something to kill it (as it now does with simply stunning success). [sic.] S D Rodrian http://poems.sdrodrian.com http://physics.sdrodrian.com http://mp3s.sdrodrian.com All religions are local. Only science is universal. |
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Proof Of Evolution.
On 18 Jul., 04:15, sdr wrote:
Proof Of Evolution. On Jul 15, 2:36 am, Pastor Dave wrote to someone: You have given zero proof of macroevolution and that is what you need to prove and can't. Bugs staying bugs does not equal "goo to you". Nor does falsely labeling me do anything but prove your true intent. Pastor Dave Everything that exists is an evolution.From ideas to creatures to rocks to atoms and stars: Everything without a single exception. This is how it is possible to KNOW that any and all proposals which exclude the evolutionary process from ANYTHING is self-evident proof in-and-of-itself that such a proposal is flawed AND therefore partly or entirely wrong. Existence is absolutely deterministic. Otherwise physical impossibilities become not only possible but almost inevitable. We become a realm of magic! I know that theists believe in nothing BUT magic. And that therefore reason and logic, even the most obvious and self-evident proofs & facts are of no use to counter their mental illness (for it is not unlike a madness, this unreasonable conviction that deists have that existence is everywhere awash in evidence of magic all around us). This sickness even permeates into science and retards/thwarts it. The classical historical example is when Galileo showed his telescope to the Pope. Dogma said that the heavens were perfect and only the earth was corrupt... and that because we were God's special creation the universe circled the earth: IF but looking upon the truth were enough to convince one of its rightness, surely the Pope would be instantly convinced when he looked through his telescope and saw the pox-faced Moon... and all sorts of heavenly bodies circling NOT the earth but Jupiter and other mere planets! But, the Pope looked, and the Pope saw, and the Pope had to admit to Galileo that he was seeing what he was seeing. And then, as we all know, the Pope showed Galileo the instruments of torture which he threatened to use on him if he did not publicly say that it was Dogma that was true and NOT what their eyes were seeing. It is a social sickness, a mental illness from which human beings suffer no end. But I will persist, none-the-less, and mention in passing the evolution of pathogens which is killing a whole lot of atheists and theists alike: By the simplest laws of Darwinian adaptation of the fittest pathogens which used to kill us in great numbers were "conquered" by our discovery of antibiotics. We literally "flushed" the deadly pathogens from our system and kept them out by a great flood of antibiotics... forgetting that evolution and not God or even all our human efforts is what rules the universe. Well, we DID kill most of the deadly pathogens, but the survivors "adapted" to the new environment of antibiotics. And now the "evolved" pathogens are returning the state of affairs to the way it used to be before our discovery of antibiotics--With an ironic twist: because the newly evolved pathogens actually thrive in a body flushed with antibiotics, giving those antibiotics to people sickened with such pathogens actually makes things worst than were they not given any antibiotics at all! (We can still invent newer antibiotics, of course, but evolution will ensure that the matter will always rest where it has always rested: in a never-ending arms-race between living organisms to see which wins the reproduction race. I have my money on the worst bugs, whether that turn out to be they or us.) Ignore the truth of evolution at your own peril. In the case of H.I.V. research, there was also a curious instance in which evolution can be seen playing a quite dramatic role: Researchers were able to kill off a large percentage of the AIDS virus (it doesn't matter which for this example) with a heavy concoction of drugs, and patients seemed to thrive. But then they began to sicken again. Stubborn as people are, and doctors are people too, they persisted on the regimen of drugs being administered. With sad consequences. Then some patients decided, on their own, to stop taking the cocktail of drugs; and actually improved without any drugs. But it was not magic, it was evolution at work: The original viruses were killed (suppressed) by the cocktail of drugs... leaving only those viruses best "adapted" to an environment flushed with the drugs cocktail to "reproduce." Then, when the drugs were removed, those viruses "best adapted" to live in an environment without the drugs "replaced" the newly- evolved viruses. And we go back to the same old arms-race that evolution has unleashed upon this earth since its beginnings, worlds without end. But don't despair: Life is impossible without death. It may be a great tragedy to the individual, but death ensures that every generation of creatures is the best adapted to survive in whatever existence this planet offers--Something which is completely unpredictable: Therefore, were it the case that life depended on some well-thought-out plan, instead of on blind evolution, I simply cannot imagine how on earth life might have avoided some catastrophically stupid blunder long before now and killed itself... rather than waiting for something to kill it (as it now does with simply stunning success). [sic.] S D Rodrianhttp://poems.sdrodrian.comhttp://physics.sdrodrian.comhttp://mp3s.sdrodrian.com All religions are local. Only science is universal. Agree on many lines of yr post. Who has made the rules ? But if you see no rules in nature, your life is not more that a random event, which has no sense. It would be interesting for me to hear from you what you think about the sense of your life. |
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Proof Of Evolution.
On 18 Jul., 04:15, sdr wrote:
Proof Of Evolution. On Jul 15, 2:36 am, Pastor Dave wrote to someone: You have given zero proof of macroevolution and that is what you need to prove and can't. Bugs staying bugs does not equal "goo to you". Nor does falsely labeling me do anything but prove your true intent. Pastor Dave Everything that exists is an evolution.From ideas to creatures to rocks to atoms and stars: Everything without a single exception. This is how it is possible to KNOW that any and all proposals which exclude the evolutionary process from ANYTHING is self-evident proof in-and-of-itself that such a proposal is flawed AND therefore partly or entirely wrong. Existence is absolutely deterministic. Otherwise physical impossibilities become not only possible but almost inevitable. We become a realm of magic! I know that theists believe in nothing BUT magic. And that therefore reason and logic, even the most obvious and self-evident proofs & facts are of no use to counter their mental illness (for it is not unlike a madness, this unreasonable conviction that deists have that existence is everywhere awash in evidence of magic all around us). This sickness even permeates into science and retards/thwarts it. The classical historical example is when Galileo showed his telescope to the Pope. Dogma said that the heavens were perfect and only the earth was corrupt... and that because we were God's special creation the universe circled the earth: IF but looking upon the truth were enough to convince one of its rightness, surely the Pope would be instantly convinced when he looked through his telescope and saw the pox-faced Moon... and all sorts of heavenly bodies circling NOT the earth but Jupiter and other mere planets! But, the Pope looked, and the Pope saw, and the Pope had to admit to Galileo that he was seeing what he was seeing. And then, as we all know, the Pope showed Galileo the instruments of torture which he threatened to use on him if he did not publicly say that it was Dogma that was true and NOT what their eyes were seeing. It is a social sickness, a mental illness from which human beings suffer no end. But I will persist, none-the-less, and mention in passing the evolution of pathogens which is killing a whole lot of atheists and theists alike: By the simplest laws of Darwinian adaptation of the fittest pathogens which used to kill us in great numbers were "conquered" by our discovery of antibiotics. We literally "flushed" the deadly pathogens from our system and kept them out by a great flood of antibiotics... forgetting that evolution and not God or even all our human efforts is what rules the universe. Well, we DID kill most of the deadly pathogens, but the survivors "adapted" to the new environment of antibiotics. And now the "evolved" pathogens are returning the state of affairs to the way it used to be before our discovery of antibiotics--With an ironic twist: because the newly evolved pathogens actually thrive in a body flushed with antibiotics, giving those antibiotics to people sickened with such pathogens actually makes things worst than were they not given any antibiotics at all! (We can still invent newer antibiotics, of course, but evolution will ensure that the matter will always rest where it has always rested: in a never-ending arms-race between living organisms to see which wins the reproduction race. I have my money on the worst bugs, whether that turn out to be they or us.) Ignore the truth of evolution at your own peril. In the case of H.I.V. research, there was also a curious instance in which evolution can be seen playing a quite dramatic role: Researchers were able to kill off a large percentage of the AIDS virus (it doesn't matter which for this example) with a heavy concoction of drugs, and patients seemed to thrive. But then they began to sicken again. Stubborn as people are, and doctors are people too, they persisted on the regimen of drugs being administered. With sad consequences. Then some patients decided, on their own, to stop taking the cocktail of drugs; and actually improved without any drugs. But it was not magic, it was evolution at work: The original viruses were killed (suppressed) by the cocktail of drugs... leaving only those viruses best "adapted" to an environment flushed with the drugs cocktail to "reproduce." Then, when the drugs were removed, those viruses "best adapted" to live in an environment without the drugs "replaced" the newly- evolved viruses. And we go back to the same old arms-race that evolution has unleashed upon this earth since its beginnings, worlds without end. But don't despair: Life is impossible without death. It may be a great tragedy to the individual, but death ensures that every generation of creatures is the best adapted to survive in whatever existence this planet offers--Something which is completely unpredictable: Therefore, were it the case that life depended on some well-thought-out plan, instead of on blind evolution, I simply cannot imagine how on earth life might have avoided some catastrophically stupid blunder long before now and killed itself... rather than waiting for something to kill it (as it now does with simply stunning success). [sic.] S D Rodrianhttp://poems.sdrodrian.comhttp://physics.sdrodrian.comhttp://mp3s.sdrodrian.com All religions are local. Only science is universal. who has made the rules? |
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Proof Of Evolution.
Rudolf Drabek wrote:
... who has made the rules? Your question indicates, perhaps, a confusion: the kind of rules which are laws of nature are not at all related to the kind that are laws of man. -- Remove "antispam" and ".invalid" for e-mail address. "He that giveth to the poor lendeth to the Lord, and shall be repaid," said Mrs Fairchild, hastily slipping a shilling into the poor woman's hand. |
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Proof Of Evolution.
On Jul 19, 7:01 am, Frederick Williams "Frederick
wrote: Rudolf Drabek wrote: ... who has made the rules? Your question indicates, perhaps, a confusion: the kind of rules which are laws of nature are not at all related to the kind that are laws of man. -- Remove "antispam" and ".invalid" for e-mail address. "He that giveth to the poor lendeth to the Lord, and shall be repaid," said Mrs Fairchild, hastily slipping a shilling into the poor woman's hand. Please answer me this question...where did the 'rules' and or 'laws of nature' come from? |
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Proof Of Evolution.
On 19 Jul., 21:03, Mike wrote:
In article .com, says... Proof Of Evolution. On Jul 15, 2:36 am, Pastor Dave wrote to someone: You have given zero proof of macroevolution and that is what you need to prove and can't. Bugs staying bugs does not equal "goo to you". Nor does falsely labeling me do anything but prove your true intent. Pastor Dave Everything that exists is an evolution. From ideas to creatures to rocks to atoms and stars: Everything without a single exception. This is how it is possible to KNOW that any and all proposals which exclude the evolutionary process from ANYTHING is self-evident proof in-and-of-itself that such a proposal is flawed AND therefore partly or entirely wrong. Existence is absolutely deterministic. Otherwise physical impossibilities become not only possible but almost inevitable. We become a realm of magic! I know that theists believe in nothing BUT magic. And that therefore reason and logic, even the most obvious and self-evident proofs & facts are of no use to counter their mental illness (for it is not unlike a madness, this unreasonable conviction that deists have that existence is everywhere awash in evidence of magic all around us). This sickness even permeates into science and retards/thwarts it. The classical historical example is when Galileo showed his telescope to the Pope. Dogma said that the heavens were perfect and only the earth was corrupt... and that because we were God's special creation the universe circled the earth: IF but looking upon the truth were enough to convince one of its rightness, surely the Pope would be instantly convinced when he looked through his telescope and saw the pox-faced Moon... and all sorts of heavenly bodies circling NOT the earth but Jupiter and other mere planets! But, the Pope looked, and the Pope saw, and the Pope had to admit to Galileo that he was seeing what he was seeing. And then, as we all know, the Pope Fellows...you can get embroiled with all of these relative arguments back and forth but it won't resolve any of the issues, just make people mad. I prefer to look at it from a simple viewpoint. As one example, look at the structure of a cell, animal or plant. Look at the complexity of the process of creating a protein. The tRNA (I think, don't remember the specific name but you catch my drift) transcribes a section of the DNA to aid in the creation of the protein. After it has the code, it transports it to a ribosome outside of the nucleus. Once there, other particles to throughout the cell to grab the specific building blocks coded by the RNA strip. They then bring these back and begin to assemble the protein section by section. Notice, these have to go into a correct sequence otherwise the protein will be useless. After the amino chain is constructed, it goes into a special area (don't remember the name) where it folds itself into the correct pattern/shape for use. Ok...just looking at this small, microscopic process out of the billions/trillions that occur 24/7/365...you can have the faith to say that this is a product of evolution...from the primordial ooze, all of these processes, after trial and error, happened to start working correctly? In my mind, no logic or probability can even begin to describe how impossible this is yet it exists. Ergo, logic tells me this is much bigger than I can ever fathom! To quote from a famous movie, there is more than meets the eye! Mike You have taken an impressing example. For me the logic lies in the simple every day experience, that nothing happens without a plan. Are you going for holidays at random? Evolutionists waste their thinking for nothing, because there is no sense for anything. For me, also we can for sure be alone in our "bubble". If you find 99 reasons each with a probability of 10%, we are for sure alone. This number is greater than all subparticles together in space. Some speak of 10 ^31. I, for me, have found all answers, but it took nearly a lifetime. And nothing is full deterministic, look into the nature. from macro to femto. |
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Proof Of Evolution.
On Jul 19, 4:36 am, Rudolf Drabek wrote:
who has made the rules? To understand the answer to this question, you should phrase it as "What caused the law of cause and effect?" In order to be a genuine cause, the cause must precede the effect. For the law of cause and effect to have a cause, that cause must have existed before there was a law of cause and effect. But if there is no law of cause and effect, then the "cause" is not really related to the "effect" in any causal sense. Which means that the "cause" of the law of cause and effect didn't really cause it. So what caused the law of cause and effect? m |
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Proof Of Evolution.
Quantum Singularity wrote:
On Jul 19, 7:01 am, Frederick Williams "Frederick wrote: Rudolf Drabek wrote: ... who has made the rules? Your question indicates, perhaps, a confusion: the kind of rules which are laws of nature are not at all related to the kind that are laws of man. -- Remove "antispam" and ".invalid" for e-mail address. "He that giveth to the poor lendeth to the Lord, and shall be repaid," said Mrs Fairchild, hastily slipping a shilling into the poor woman's hand. Please answer me this question...where did the 'rules' and or 'laws of nature' come from? Did they come from anywhere? If they did, I don't know. -- Remove "antispam" and ".invalid" for e-mail address. "He that giveth to the poor lendeth to the Lord, and shall be repaid," said Mrs Fairchild, hastily slipping a shilling into the poor woman's hand. |
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Proof Of Evolution.
On Fri, 20 Jul 2007 14:29:10 GMT, Frederick Williams "Frederick
wrote: hand. Please answer me this question...where did the 'rules' and or 'laws of nature' come from? Did they come from anywhere? If they did, I don't know. They are descriptive, not proscriptive. Why do these idiots imagine they had to come from anywhere? |
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