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Old November 11th 10, 02:06 AM posted to sci.space.policy
Brad Guth[_3_]
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Default A recent secret launch of a rocket off the coast of California?

On Nov 10, 1:27*pm, LSMFT wrote:
Brad Guth wrote:
On Nov 10, 9:19 am, *wrote:
| wrote:
It was caught on tape and the government says it
wasn't something a foreign power did.


Star wars still or just a test of submarine based
missiles to see if they work?


I've seen it before in Maine. Just an optical illusion of a jet trail.
The jet is actually coming toward you and that is the trail over the
horizon.


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Simple job, assist the assistant of the physicist.


A vast slue of DoD surface and space deployed radars can clearly
detect such vapor/exhaust and IR trails, and yet they still can't
manage to connect that one to any known aircraft.


So, perhaps it was a Chinese or Russian stealth spy plane or
whatever. *Either way, our best guys and all the trillions we've
invested into supposedly the best radar and IR imaging detection
technology on Earth, missed it entirely. *Way to go DHS and DoD. *No
wonder they couldn't find any Muslim WMD, much less OBL


* ~ BG


They didn't see the other thousand jet trails either. They have to be
looking.

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Simple job, assist the assistant of the physicist.


Don't tell any sleeper cells that we're not looking, perhaps because
we're too busy looking for another few trillion dollar mortgage that
we can kite for awhile.

Perhaps DoD didn't pay their electric bills, and all of our coastal
and airspace defense plus local national security systems were
literally in the black, as in offline until the lights get turned back
on.

~ BG
  #22  
Old November 11th 10, 04:38 AM posted to sci.space.policy
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Default A recent secret launch of a rocket off the coast of California?

In article
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snidely wrote:

On Nov 9, 7:45*pm, Orval Fairbairn
wrote:
In article ,
*Brian Thorn wrote:

On Tue, 9 Nov 2010 23:32:17 +0000 (UTC), Rick Jones
wrote:


A US Airways 757, Honolulu to Phoenix flew through the area at the
time of the sighting.


Its contrail though should look like it was appearing out of the ocean
in the West and then going overhead to the East shouldn't it?


Which it does. The wider part of the trail is farther away from the
viewer, as the contrail expanded with time. The narrow tip of the
trail is actually closest to the viewer, passing 30,000 feet above and
ahead of the camera.


Brian


Not only that, but ascending smoke trails from rockets get all
raggedy-looking as the rocket gains altitude, through winds of varying
speeds and directions.


sometimes yes, sometimes no:
http://www.spacearchive.info/temp-delta-ii-cosmo-4.jpg
(Brian Webb's fine foto; he may also have his comments up on the site,
but has seen many jet contrails look like Monday's)

That is a time-exposed picture of a night launch. The ragged smoke trail
will not light up well in it.




Conclusion: contrail at altitude.


I think you've got the right conclusion, but your argument is a bit
shakey.

/dps

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Old November 11th 10, 02:51 PM posted to sci.space.policy
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Default A recent secret launch of a rocket off the coast of California?

In article 1aebdda8-2f60-4635-8b06-fc02a434e731
@f16g2000prj.googlegroups.com, says...

they still can't
manage to connect that one to any known aircraft.


It was most likely America West Airlines Flight 808 from Hawaii to
Phoenix.

Jeff
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Old November 11th 10, 08:47 PM posted to sci.space.policy
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Default A recent secret launch of a rocket off the coast of California?

On Nov 11, 5:51*am, Jeff Findley wrote:
In article 1aebdda8-2f60-4635-8b06-fc02a434e731
@f16g2000prj.googlegroups.com, says...



they still can't
manage to connect that one to any known aircraft.


It was most likely America West Airlines Flight 808 from Hawaii to
Phoenix.

Jeff
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And our national air defense, including DHS, DoD (all-inclusive)
didn't have any clue about whatever was potentially incoming, just
like their not a soul in authority and supposedly in charge of
preventing another 9/11 didn't have any clue as to those incoming
bombs. Are we in good hands or what?

~ BG
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Old November 11th 10, 09:56 PM posted to sci.space.policy
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In article 8b92aa03-9784-4a14-80ee-943e8b6f0805
@i32g2000pri.googlegroups.com, says...

And our national air defense, including DHS, DoD (all-inclusive)
didn't have any clue about whatever was potentially incoming, just
like their not a soul in authority and supposedly in charge of
preventing another 9/11 didn't have any clue as to those incoming
bombs. Are we in good hands or what?


You assume that these huge organizations are set up to answer trivia
questions like this. They're not. Why not? Because what was seen was
a contrail from a passenger jet. This entire fiasco was a non-event,
and saying the government needs to explain every non-event in a timely
manner is just nuts.

Look, there was nothing unusual on any Norad radar, because it wasn't a
missile launch. There was nothing picked up by our orbiting DSP
satellites, because it wasn't a missile launch. There was nothing
picked up by any intelligence network (including DHS), because it didn't
involve any organization they're watching closely (they're looking for
terrorists boarding planes, not the planes themselves).

You might as well as the US Government to explain every weather balloon
sighting too, just like the UFO nut-jobs.

Jeff
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Old November 11th 10, 10:52 PM posted to sci.space.policy
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On Nov 11, 12:56*pm, Jeff Findley wrote:
In article 8b92aa03-9784-4a14-80ee-943e8b6f0805
@i32g2000pri.googlegroups.com, says...



And our national air defense, including DHS, DoD (all-inclusive)
didn't have any clue about whatever was potentially incoming, just
like their not a soul in authority and supposedly in charge of
preventing another 9/11 didn't have any clue as to those incoming
bombs. *Are we in good hands or what?


You assume that these huge organizations are set up to answer trivia
questions like this. *They're not. *Why not? *Because what was seen was
a contrail from a passenger jet. *This entire fiasco was a non-event,
and saying the government needs to explain every non-event in a timely
manner is just nuts.

Look, there was nothing unusual on any Norad radar, because it wasn't a
missile launch. *There was nothing picked up by our orbiting DSP
satellites, because it wasn't a missile launch. *There was nothing
picked up by any intelligence network (including DHS), because it didn't
involve any organization they're watching closely (they're looking for
terrorists boarding planes, not the planes themselves).

You might as well as the US Government to explain every weather balloon
sighting too, just like the UFO nut-jobs.

Jeff
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Your very brown nose is noted. Next time when a rogue aircraft or
missile launch that's so easily cloaked as a commercial incoming
flight gets through, all because it took too long to properly
identify, we'll have Jeff Findley to thank.

Nowadays, large drone aircraft are fairly stealth and capable of
packing a small nuke or a substantial amount of VX, and if sea-
launched we'd only have a few minutes to respond. But you'd just as
soon let the identification process take a good day or so.

At least your method could save us several hundred billion per year
that's currently going to waste. Let civilians do whatever coastal
identifying and call it good.

~ BG
  #28  
Old November 12th 10, 02:08 AM posted to sci.space.policy
Brad Guth[_3_]
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Default A recent secret launch of a rocket off the coast of California?

On Nov 11, 3:44*pm, Jeff Findley wrote:
In article 4d40bd34-31aa-431f-9d8a-
, says...


Your very brown nose is noted. *Next time when a rogue aircraft or
missile launch that's so easily cloaked as a commercial incoming
flight gets through, all because it took too long to properly
identify, we'll have Jeff Findley to thank.


It was never a rogue aircraft you dolt.

For at least several hours, no one including yourself knew what the
hell it was. If something like that was bad news, with you in charge
it would be too late by the time anyone knew for certain.

*You're crying wolf.

Better than being a dead wolf, as going with your first option. Do
you also agree with everything rabbi Saul Levy has to say?


The aircraft in question was certainly tracked and was certainly identified,
otherwise it would have been intercepted by Air Force fighters. *The US
Air Force isn't about to let an unidentified aircraft that big enter US
air space without permission. *

In case you hadn't noticed, Russian bombers still play cat and mouse
with our Air Force. *We still send up fighters to say "hi" and send them
back where they came from. *

Jeff
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When our top officials were specifically asked, they didn't have a
clue. So it could have been anything, including a Russian or Chinese
aircraft as having easily taken the place of that US commercial
flight. Just because it wasn't a rogue intruder this time doesn't
mean they had everything under control. Do you really think whatever
bad guys wouldn't trail a commercial flight, or just as easily replace
one?

The many cold wars are not actually over, are they.

BTW; we didn't really win that space race unless hype, infomercials
and bogus eyecandy count. Russia is the one that gets $20+M per
ticket to ride, and I'd doubt their net cost is more than $2M/seat
(that's $18M profit in a nation where the average income isn't half as
much as here).

~ BG

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Old November 12th 10, 02:34 PM posted to sci.space.policy
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Default A recent secret launch of a rocket off the coast of California?

In article 436b04e9-f30e-4116-b6e5-d26baeedcb68
@i32g2000pri.googlegroups.com, says...

On Nov 11, 3:44*pm, Jeff Findley wrote:
In article 4d40bd34-31aa-431f-9d8a-
, says...


Your very brown nose is noted. *Next time when a rogue aircraft or
missile launch that's so easily cloaked as a commercial incoming
flight gets through, all because it took too long to properly
identify, we'll have Jeff Findley to thank.


It was never a rogue aircraft you dolt.

For at least several hours, no one including yourself knew what the
hell it was. If something like that was bad news, with you in charge
it would be too late by the time anyone knew for certain.


Your failure in reasoning is noted. It was hard to identify because the
eye witness got it wrong. The original video wasn't long enough to
easily identify it as an aircraft, so everyone looking into this took
the Sherlock Holmes approach of eliminating everything it could have
been, and what remained was that it could have been a jet contrail
(which it was). That sort of approach takes time.

*You're crying wolf.

Better than being a dead wolf, as going with your first option. Do
you also agree with everything rabbi Saul Levy has to say?


The aircraft in question was certainly tracked and was certainly identified,
otherwise it would have been intercepted by Air Force fighters. *The US
Air Force isn't about to let an unidentified aircraft that big enter US
air space without permission. *

In case you hadn't noticed, Russian bombers still play cat and mouse
with our Air Force. *We still send up fighters to say "hi" and send them
back where they came from. *


When our top officials were specifically asked, they didn't have a
clue.


They didn't have a clue because nothing out of the ordinary happened
that day. What happened was a bunch of civilians jumping to conclusions
over a short, shakey video tape.

So it could have been anything, including a Russian or Chinese
aircraft as having easily taken the place of that US commercial
flight.


Bull$hit! If it would have been any of those, it would have been
detected and intercepted and if it didn't leave US air space, it would
have been shot down.

Just because it wasn't a rogue intruder this time doesn't
mean they had everything under control. Do you really think whatever
bad guys wouldn't trail a commercial flight, or just as easily replace
one?


But if it was a rogue intruder, it would have been intercepted because
it would have shown up on radar and it wouldn't have had a transponder
corresponding to an aircraft with a flight plan.

The many cold wars are not actually over, are they.


Again, this is b.s. Sure the Russians still play cat and mouse, but the
Cold War with the Soviet Union is absolutely over. Today's capitolist
Russians have more trouble with former Soviet Union states than they do
with the US.

BTW; we didn't really win that space race unless hype, infomercials
and bogus eyecandy count. Russia is the one that gets $20+M per
ticket to ride, and I'd doubt their net cost is more than $2M/seat
(that's $18M profit in a nation where the average income isn't half as
much as here).


You're redefining the Space Race. The Space Race was to show which
superpower was technically and economically superior. The US won that
race by putting men on the moon. That was a huge technological and
economic feat in 1969. In the four decades since Apollo 11 landed on
the moon, no other country on the planet has yet to duplicate that feat.

Your reasoning is like that of the UFO nuts. They claim the US
government must be covering up evidence of space aliens because the
government can't prove they don't exist. The US government also can't
prove you don't have a live animal up your @$$, so I guess that must be
true too.

Jeff
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Old November 12th 10, 07:39 PM posted to sci.space.policy
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Jeff Findley wrote:
Bull$hit! If it would have been any of those, it would have been
detected and intercepted and if it didn't leave US air space, it would
have been shot down.


Probably. Very Probably. Heck, Almost Certainly even. the US no
doubt have an exellect air defense system, but I will remind folks
about:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathias_Rust

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