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A recent secret launch of a rocket off the coast of California?
On Nov 10, 1:27*pm, LSMFT wrote:
Brad Guth wrote: On Nov 10, 9:19 am, *wrote: | wrote: It was caught on tape and the government says it wasn't something a foreign power did. Star wars still or just a test of submarine based missiles to see if they work? I've seen it before in Maine. Just an optical illusion of a jet trail. The jet is actually coming toward you and that is the trail over the horizon. -- LSMFT Simple job, assist the assistant of the physicist. A vast slue of DoD surface and space deployed radars can clearly detect such vapor/exhaust and IR trails, and yet they still can't manage to connect that one to any known aircraft. So, perhaps it was a Chinese or Russian stealth spy plane or whatever. *Either way, our best guys and all the trillions we've invested into supposedly the best radar and IR imaging detection technology on Earth, missed it entirely. *Way to go DHS and DoD. *No wonder they couldn't find any Muslim WMD, much less OBL * ~ BG They didn't see the other thousand jet trails either. They have to be looking. -- LSMFT Simple job, assist the assistant of the physicist. Don't tell any sleeper cells that we're not looking, perhaps because we're too busy looking for another few trillion dollar mortgage that we can kite for awhile. Perhaps DoD didn't pay their electric bills, and all of our coastal and airspace defense plus local national security systems were literally in the black, as in offline until the lights get turned back on. ~ BG |
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A recent secret launch of a rocket off the coast of California?
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, snidely wrote: On Nov 9, 7:45*pm, Orval Fairbairn wrote: In article , *Brian Thorn wrote: On Tue, 9 Nov 2010 23:32:17 +0000 (UTC), Rick Jones wrote: A US Airways 757, Honolulu to Phoenix flew through the area at the time of the sighting. Its contrail though should look like it was appearing out of the ocean in the West and then going overhead to the East shouldn't it? Which it does. The wider part of the trail is farther away from the viewer, as the contrail expanded with time. The narrow tip of the trail is actually closest to the viewer, passing 30,000 feet above and ahead of the camera. Brian Not only that, but ascending smoke trails from rockets get all raggedy-looking as the rocket gains altitude, through winds of varying speeds and directions. sometimes yes, sometimes no: http://www.spacearchive.info/temp-delta-ii-cosmo-4.jpg (Brian Webb's fine foto; he may also have his comments up on the site, but has seen many jet contrails look like Monday's) That is a time-exposed picture of a night launch. The ragged smoke trail will not light up well in it. Conclusion: contrail at altitude. I think you've got the right conclusion, but your argument is a bit shakey. /dps |
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A recent secret launch of a rocket off the coast of California?
In article 1aebdda8-2f60-4635-8b06-fc02a434e731
@f16g2000prj.googlegroups.com, says... they still can't manage to connect that one to any known aircraft. It was most likely America West Airlines Flight 808 from Hawaii to Phoenix. Jeff -- 42 |
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A recent secret launch of a rocket off the coast of California?
On Nov 11, 5:51*am, Jeff Findley wrote:
In article 1aebdda8-2f60-4635-8b06-fc02a434e731 @f16g2000prj.googlegroups.com, says... they still can't manage to connect that one to any known aircraft. It was most likely America West Airlines Flight 808 from Hawaii to Phoenix. Jeff -- 42 And our national air defense, including DHS, DoD (all-inclusive) didn't have any clue about whatever was potentially incoming, just like their not a soul in authority and supposedly in charge of preventing another 9/11 didn't have any clue as to those incoming bombs. Are we in good hands or what? ~ BG |
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A recent secret launch of a rocket off the coast of California?
On Nov 11, 12:56*pm, Jeff Findley wrote:
In article 8b92aa03-9784-4a14-80ee-943e8b6f0805 @i32g2000pri.googlegroups.com, says... And our national air defense, including DHS, DoD (all-inclusive) didn't have any clue about whatever was potentially incoming, just like their not a soul in authority and supposedly in charge of preventing another 9/11 didn't have any clue as to those incoming bombs. *Are we in good hands or what? You assume that these huge organizations are set up to answer trivia questions like this. *They're not. *Why not? *Because what was seen was a contrail from a passenger jet. *This entire fiasco was a non-event, and saying the government needs to explain every non-event in a timely manner is just nuts. Look, there was nothing unusual on any Norad radar, because it wasn't a missile launch. *There was nothing picked up by our orbiting DSP satellites, because it wasn't a missile launch. *There was nothing picked up by any intelligence network (including DHS), because it didn't involve any organization they're watching closely (they're looking for terrorists boarding planes, not the planes themselves). You might as well as the US Government to explain every weather balloon sighting too, just like the UFO nut-jobs. Jeff -- 42 Your very brown nose is noted. Next time when a rogue aircraft or missile launch that's so easily cloaked as a commercial incoming flight gets through, all because it took too long to properly identify, we'll have Jeff Findley to thank. Nowadays, large drone aircraft are fairly stealth and capable of packing a small nuke or a substantial amount of VX, and if sea- launched we'd only have a few minutes to respond. But you'd just as soon let the identification process take a good day or so. At least your method could save us several hundred billion per year that's currently going to waste. Let civilians do whatever coastal identifying and call it good. ~ BG |
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A recent secret launch of a rocket off the coast of California?
On Nov 11, 3:44*pm, Jeff Findley wrote:
In article 4d40bd34-31aa-431f-9d8a- , says... Your very brown nose is noted. *Next time when a rogue aircraft or missile launch that's so easily cloaked as a commercial incoming flight gets through, all because it took too long to properly identify, we'll have Jeff Findley to thank. It was never a rogue aircraft you dolt. For at least several hours, no one including yourself knew what the hell it was. If something like that was bad news, with you in charge it would be too late by the time anyone knew for certain. *You're crying wolf. Better than being a dead wolf, as going with your first option. Do you also agree with everything rabbi Saul Levy has to say? The aircraft in question was certainly tracked and was certainly identified, otherwise it would have been intercepted by Air Force fighters. *The US Air Force isn't about to let an unidentified aircraft that big enter US air space without permission. * In case you hadn't noticed, Russian bombers still play cat and mouse with our Air Force. *We still send up fighters to say "hi" and send them back where they came from. * Jeff -- 42 When our top officials were specifically asked, they didn't have a clue. So it could have been anything, including a Russian or Chinese aircraft as having easily taken the place of that US commercial flight. Just because it wasn't a rogue intruder this time doesn't mean they had everything under control. Do you really think whatever bad guys wouldn't trail a commercial flight, or just as easily replace one? The many cold wars are not actually over, are they. BTW; we didn't really win that space race unless hype, infomercials and bogus eyecandy count. Russia is the one that gets $20+M per ticket to ride, and I'd doubt their net cost is more than $2M/seat (that's $18M profit in a nation where the average income isn't half as much as here). ~ BG |
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Jeff Findley wrote:
Bull$hit! If it would have been any of those, it would have been detected and intercepted and if it didn't leave US air space, it would have been shot down. Probably. Very Probably. Heck, Almost Certainly even. the US no doubt have an exellect air defense system, but I will remind folks about: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathias_Rust rick jones -- The glass is neither half-empty nor half-full. The glass has a leak. The real question is "Can it be patched?" these opinions are mine, all mine; HP might not want them anyway... feel free to post, OR email to rick.jones2 in hp.com but NOT BOTH... |
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