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* wrote: Okay Mr. Arrogant Scientist, why did the scientific community allow this: NASA never allowed independent scientific peer review of Malin's Mars MOC photographs and instead allowed Malin to keep and own US government property which is against the law. That is a false statement. No at all, and you're hedging and not being honest. I doubt you're a scientist at all. Science is supposed to be about honesty. You obviously would prefer to be ignorant and confrontational rather than actually understand, but we'll give you a few more tries at clue. All the MOC images older than the proprietary period are in the National Space Science Data Center set, which can be accessed by the public or independent researchers. Please explain 'proprietary period' and who owns the photographs during that period. The US government (or, everyone) owns the images and data, both raw and processed, throughout. Proprietary periods in space mission data exist to give the scientists who build the instruments some time to write up their papers and get credit for the work they have done building and operating the instruments. Not every instrument has a proprietary period for its data, but it's the normal scheme of things. This is true of things like laser altimiters and atmospheric pressure reading as well as images. The proprietary period also allows the scientists to remove instrument noise and to calibrate the data properly. You can get the raw uncalibrated uncorrected data. In fact, that's what's in the NSSDC for MOC: "Processing of the images included packed decommutation, removal of the MOC communications protocol headers, reformatting, and addition of PDS label information. No additional geometric or radiometric processing was done." http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/database/...?ds=PSPG-00372 http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/database/...1996-062A&ds=* They are also on Malin's website: http://www.msss.com/moc_gallery Why aren't any independent scientists allowed to peer review NASA's raw data? See above. The raw data is available for at least most of the data sets in the NSSDC archive. Or, raw minus the communications headers, they don't usually provide the raw input tapes off the communications dishes. Why aren't any independent scientists not employed by NASA, Lockheed or under contract by the same allowed to view the raw Mars MOC data as it is being transmitted? Anyone in the *world* is allowed to view the raw science imagery. All you need is a 30 to 70 meter radio antenna dish and the appropriate data extraction tools. It's not encrypted. If you don't trust NASA, or its employees, do it yourself. It has been done before. No conspiracies have shown up as a result. If you still don't trust it, build your own spacecraft and fly it. -george william herbert |
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On 16 Mar 2004 16:16:38 -0800, (George William
Herbert) wrote: You can get the raw uncalibrated uncorrected data. In fact, that's what's in the NSSDC for MOC: "Processing of the images included packed decommutation, removal of the MOC communications protocol headers, reformatting, and addition of PDS label information. No additional geometric or radiometric processing was done." http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/database/...?ds=PSPG-00372 Liar. During Malin's 'proprietary period' Malin has *exclusive ownership* of the MOC photographs, and during that time Malin and his staff doctor the photographs. |
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