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Old December 22nd 17, 07:20 PM posted to sci.astro.amateur
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Gerald Kelleher wrote in
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Seeing the unfortunates from a science fiction forum showed up,
I repeat the earlier comments that can't be argued with.


The ones about you not being right in the head? That can't be
reprated often enough.

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Old December 22nd 17, 08:02 PM posted to sci.astro.amateur
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Seeing the unfortunates from a science fiction forum showed up, I repeat the earlier comments that can't be argued with. It is such a simple thing to recognize the Polar day/night cycle and its cause so as long as astronomers know it is there and can work with it in combination with daily rotation then things become easier with familiarity.

Most of the flawed 'tilt' explanations are now packed away until the March Equinox when the same old falsehoods will be wheeled out again and rehashed to those who know no better.

For people who value their intelligence they can continue with the theme that after yesterday when the North and South Poles are midway to the circle of illumination, the North pole now turn closer to the CoL and the point of exit until Polar Sunrise on the March Equinox and the reverse at the South Pole when that locations passes through the circle of illumination and into Polar night.

The Polar day/night cycle is real and there is a simple cause behind it that is easily explained using an analogy or by direct observation -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFrP6QfbC2g

All the slogans, stock phrases, wishful thinking and overreaching agenda are going to erase this insight nor can the make-it-up-as-you-go-along weak minds have any part of it. It is a uniquely 21st century gift made possible by wonderful technology in tandem with clear reasoning.
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Old December 22nd 17, 08:18 PM posted to sci.astro.amateur
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On Friday, December 22, 2017 at 11:02:33 AM UTC-8, Gerald Kelleher wrote:

Most of the flawed 'tilt' explanations are now packed away until the March Equinox when the same old falsehoods will be wheeled out again and rehashed to those who know no better.


Just what is it *exactly* that you find incorrect about the use of the word 'tilt'? It is, after all, a perfectly recognized term used to describe the offset of the Earth's axis wrt its orbital axis...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axial_tilt

Would you prefer the word obliquity? This obliquity, of course, is the cause of the seasons on the Earth. Why your little pea-brain doesn't understand this is one of the wonders of the universe...
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Old December 23rd 17, 08:32 AM posted to sci.astro.amateur
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On Friday, December 22, 2017 at 7:18:48 PM UTC, palsing wrote:
On Friday, December 22, 2017 at 11:02:33 AM UTC-8, Gerald Kelleher wrote:

Most of the flawed 'tilt' explanations are now packed away until the March Equinox when the same old falsehoods will be wheeled out again and rehashed to those who know no better.


Just what is it *exactly* that you find incorrect about the use of the word 'tilt'? It is, after all, a perfectly recognized term used to describe the offset of the Earth's axis wrt its orbital axis...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axial_tilt

Would you prefer the word obliquity? This obliquity, of course, is the cause of the seasons on the Earth. Why your little pea-brain doesn't understand this is one of the wonders of the universe...


What did I tell you about stock phrases and slogans that may work in your other science fiction forum known as sci.physics.relativity but do not work here.

The degree of inclination determines the rate of change in surface conditions across latitudes as the Earth or any other planet orbits the Sun while the cause of the seasons are two surface rotations working together in combination.

You have such a hard empirical shell that you carry it like armour and you can't or won't let the cause of the Polar day/night cycle in least it disturb a pretense inherited from Newton and the boys 100 years ago. The daily and annual surface rotations have been going on for many, many millions of year and because of the traits unique to the Earth, those motions make life possible.
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Old December 23rd 17, 12:29 PM posted to sci.astro.amateur
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The position of the North and South poles to the planet's circle of illumination and to the Sun hasn't changed for all those thousands of years that humanity has marked the December Solstices including the exceedingly old Newgrange and Stonehenge monuments. These are working astronomical monuments which inform us what works and what does not in assigning cause and effect to observations. The ancient monument builders showed up the same day on the Solstice as contemporaries did a few days ago signaling that no axial precession occurs and the the North/ South poles along with the entire surface of the Earth turns once as a function of the orbital motion of the Earth.

https://epic.gsfc.nasa.gov/

The South Pole and the entire Antarctic Continent will continue to turn parallel to the orbital plane until March when the entire Continent slowly turns out of sight of the satellite.
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Old December 27th 17, 02:51 PM posted to sci.astro.amateur
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On Friday, December 22, 2017 at 7:18:48 PM UTC, palsing wrote:

Just what is it *exactly* that you find incorrect about the use of the word 'tilt'? the universe...


I think long ago Gerald misunderstood the word "tilt" in the usual explanation, thinking that it meant the angle of the pole actually changes during the year.
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Old December 29th 17, 08:07 AM posted to sci.astro.amateur
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On Wednesday, December 27, 2017 at 6:51:42 AM UTC-7, wrote:

I think long ago Gerald misunderstood the word "tilt" in the usual explanation,
thinking that it meant the angle of the pole actually changes during the year.


At least he objects to the use of the word "tilt" because at least he thinks
that it... suggests that. What he thinks it really means...

Maybe he had a bad experience with a pinball machine.

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Old January 1st 18, 08:22 AM posted to sci.astro.amateur
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On Friday, 29 December 2017 08:07:36 UTC+1, Quadibloc wrote:

Maybe he had a bad experience with a pinball machine?



No doubt a useful analogue of what is really going on between his flippers.
Sorry, I typed "ears" but it came out differently.

A happy 2018 to all, regardless of their personal tilt.
 




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