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Old March 24th 06, 10:57 AM posted to alt.battlestar-galactica,rec.arts.tv,rec.models.rockets,sci.space.history
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Bob wrote:

On Thu, 23 Mar 2006 22:18:32 -0500, "Robert J. Kolker"
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What really gripes me is once we got there why didn't we set up habitats
for further research and build observertories on the dark side.



SDI then ISS took precedence.



Very unfortunate. SDI does not prevent nukes from being brought in by
UPS and planted secretly. ISS is a piece of ****. I refer to it as ISS
Alpha ****can One. Everytime I see -2001: A Space Odessy- I weep from
frustration.

Bob Kolker
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Bob wrote:

You left out the entire microelectronics revolution and the computer.
Then there's communications - satellites, etc.


The phone company (the real Bell) funded that. Much of the unmanned
program is about lofting communication sattelites which has nothing to
do with going to moon or military applications. It is the only aspect of
our space program that makes any economic sense.

NASA is a piece of **** corrupt organization. The only bright folks left
are the ones doing exploratory unmanned stuff. Manned space development
by organizations like NASA is ka ka.

Bob Kolker

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On Fri, 24 Mar 2006 04:57:58 -0500, "Robert J. Kolker"
wrote:

SDI does not prevent nukes from being brought in by
UPS and planted secretly.


Indeed.

ISS is a piece of ****. I refer to it as ISS
Alpha ****can One. Everytime I see -2001: A Space Odessy- I weep from
frustration.


Living in Houston I hear a lot of stories about JSC.

Many have to do with the NASA employees sitting around most of the day
reading the newpaper and drinking coffee. They spend the rest of the
day attending meetings. The only people who actually do any work are
contractors.


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It's just that they know so much that isn't so."
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On Fri, 24 Mar 2006 05:01:08 -0500, "Robert J. Kolker"
wrote:

Bob wrote:

You left out the entire microelectronics revolution and the computer.
Then there's communications - satellites, etc.


The phone company (the real Bell) funded that. Much of the unmanned
program is about lofting communication sattelites which has nothing to
do with going to moon or military applications. It is the only aspect of
our space program that makes any economic sense.

NASA is a piece of **** corrupt organization. The only bright folks left
are the ones doing exploratory unmanned stuff. Manned space development
by organizations like NASA is ka ka.


While I agree with most of what you just said, you are a bit too
harsh. NASA did do some important work on communications - or I should
say NASA funded private contractors to do the real work. And there is
no doubt that NASA was the primary sponsor of the microelectronics and
computer revolutions. And the satellite programs definitely had
military applications even if the main purpose was civilian
communications.

An important rule of our fascist dictatorship is that the Military
Industrial Complex does not miss a trick. Just remember that
throughout history man has always used new technology for military
purposes first.




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It's just that they know so much that isn't so."
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(Bob) wrote:

And there is
no doubt that NASA was the primary sponsor of the microelectronics and
computer revolutions.


In your mind, at any rate.
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Bob wrote:
On Fri, 24 Mar 2006 05:01:08 -0500, "Robert J. Kolker"
wrote:


Bob wrote:


You left out the entire microelectronics revolution and the computer.
Then there's communications - satellites, etc.


The phone company (the real Bell) funded that. Much of the unmanned
program is about lofting communication sattelites which has nothing to
do with going to moon or military applications. It is the only aspect of
our space program that makes any economic sense.

NASA is a piece of **** corrupt organization. The only bright folks left
are the ones doing exploratory unmanned stuff. Manned space development
by organizations like NASA is ka ka.



While I agree with most of what you just said, you are a bit too
harsh. NASA did do some important work on communications - or I should
say NASA funded private contractors to do the real work. And there is
no doubt that NASA was the primary sponsor of the microelectronics and
computer revolutions. And the satellite programs definitely had
military applications even if the main purpose was civilian
communications.

An important rule of our fascist dictatorship is that the Military
Industrial Complex does not miss a trick. Just remember that
throughout history man has always used new technology for military
purposes first.





Bob,

it would appear that friend kolker wants to be a troll. He seems
blithely indifferent to facts, or reason, preferring "ka ka" over spin offs.

He really sounds like one of those ridiculous dianics that I am forced
to deal with at certain conventions.

the other Bob
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Bob wrote:

Living in Houston I hear a lot of stories about JSC.

Many have to do with the NASA employees sitting around most of the day
reading the newpaper and drinking coffee. They spend the rest of the
day attending meetings. The only people who actually do any work are
contractors.


People like Morton Thiakol personel. Wonderful. When NASA sat on them,
they folded and let Challanger fly. We all know what happened after that.

NASA is a rotten corrupt organization and should be abolished.

Bob Kolker

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"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
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"Rand Simberg" wrote in message
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All that meant was that they issued some feasibility study contracts.
NASA does this all the time with many things that never happen (in
fact, most of the time, the project fails to go forward).


It means the Apollo project existed at an earlier date than JFK would have
been in a position to initiate it, thus it means that JFK did not initiate
the Apollo project.



*However*, at the time of its creation, Project Apollo was *not* a project
to land on the moon. It was the next-generation spacecraft, which later was
chosen to be the moon ship.

Kennedy didn't announce that NASA would build a new spaceship, but he *did*
announce the trip to the moon. NASA chose to adapt an existing project into
the new one, so Kennedy *is* responsible for getting us to the moon.


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"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
ink.net...

"Rand Simberg" wrote in message
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http://history.nasa.gov/moondec.html

"On May 25, 1961, President John F. Kennedy announced before a special
joint session of Congress the dramatic and ambitious goal of sending
an American safely to the Moon before the end of the decade."


By what instrument was that goal made national policy?


By the instrument of Kennedy's speech, of course, later supported by
enabling legislation. Duh.


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Bob wrote:


While I agree with most of what you just said, you are a bit too
harsh. NASA did do some important work on communications - or I should
say NASA funded private contractors to do the real work. And there is
no doubt that NASA was the primary sponsor of the microelectronics and
computer revolutions. And the satellite programs definitely had
military applications even if the main purpose was civilian
communications.


Transistors were invented in Cherry Hill, NJ in 1947, and released for
public use in 1948. NASA has zero, zilch, nada to do with it. Cherry
Hill is where Bell Telephone Labs was. NASA or its predecessor agency
did not even exist at the time. The solid state electronics revolution
was initiated in a purely commercial (not academtic!) context.

An important rule of our fascist dictatorship is that the Military
Industrial Complex does not miss a trick. Just remember that
throughout history man has always used new technology for military
purposes first.


Not true. Transistors were first used to automate telephone call
switching. The phone company was -desparate- to get out of the bind of a
switching system that was mostly manual. Only later were transistors
used in computers which had military applications as well as commercial
applications.

It was the Bell Lab team of Wilson and Penzias who senendipitously
provied the clinching proof for the big bang thoery. That was in 1965
when they were playing around with a mostly obsolete communications
system antenna in New Jersey. They got togehter with Dr. Dicke at
Princeton, just a few miles down the road and the rest is history. No
military connection there, whatsoever.

Bob Kolker

 




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