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Old October 15th 04, 01:54 PM
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Imagine if this could be done in the next 30 years, we'd have not only
established a foothold at a single location like the Moon or Mars...
but the whole solar system could become within reach!

http://uk.geocities.com/aa_spaceagen...arth-ring.html

And the stars too...

Kill all birds with just one stone... or one asteroid for that matter!
Other than simply the long timescales necessary for such a project, I
don't see any reason why we can't or should not do this...

Abdul Ahad
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Old October 20th 04, 05:57 PM
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That is the most interesting idea ive ever read... I wonder what the cost of
doing that would be though... To much.
Do you think it would avoid radiation problems.??? because of the thick
surface area etc.


"AA Institute" wrote in message
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Imagine if this could be done in the next 30 years, we'd have not only
established a foothold at a single location like the Moon or Mars...
but the whole solar system could become within reach!

http://uk.geocities.com/aa_spaceagen...arth-ring.html

And the stars too...

Kill all birds with just one stone... or one asteroid for that matter!
Other than simply the long timescales necessary for such a project, I
don't see any reason why we can't or should not do this...

Abdul Ahad



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Old October 20th 04, 06:19 PM
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"Micky" wrote in message
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Do you think it would avoid radiation problems.??? because of the thick
surface area etc.


One doesn't really need anything beyond 2 meters of shielding, even for
life-time exposures.

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Old October 20th 04, 08:57 PM
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I disagree. If you are going to be travelling on a one way trip. And totally
independant posibly not returning to earth in hundreds of years I think you
do.....

"Mike Combs" wrote in message
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"Micky" wrote in message
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Do you think it would avoid radiation problems.??? because of the thick
surface area etc.


One doesn't really need anything beyond 2 meters of shielding, even for
life-time exposures.

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Regards,
Mike Combs
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much sense, but we do like pizza.




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Old October 21st 04, 06:43 AM
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"Micky" wrote in message ...
That is the most interesting idea ive ever read... I wonder what the cost of
doing that would be though... To much.
Do you think it would avoid radiation problems.??? because of the thick
surface area etc.

An asteroid exterior, by its very nature, is designed with
*protection* of human and life support cargos in mind. It's rock/metal
composition offers the ultimate in strength and *durability* against
not just radiation but all the cosmic elements likely to be
encountered on voyages spanning thousands of years.

I do not see cost as the bottleneck to this or any other project, I
see the prohibition on launching *nuclear* reactors and warheads into
space as the ultimate constraining force to all human progression in
the present era.

Technically, a state of *WAR* exists between the inhabitants of planet
Earth fighting to expand out into the cosmos and the surrounding
cosmic adversities levelled at humanity to keep it cocooned in on one
planet where it was born! (Now you're gonna say I sound like a
philosopher!!!)

In such a state of *WAR*, we should not have to wait 13 months to
orbit a probe around the Moon (e.g. Europe's SMART-1 arriving at lunar
orbit next month) or waiting several years to reach one small asteroid
using some puny ion-propulsion gismo! No, this is no time to be
relying on solar-electric propulsion. That to me is like fighting
someone with match sticks... who's using guns against you! What we
need are some heavy duty NUCLEAR blasters that get us to nearby solar
system bodies in weeks!

Get countries like Iran, North Korea and any other "axis of evils" who
stand in the way of human progression under manners, and we can safely
lift the ban on nuclear launches to outer space. Then we're in a
position to start carving out bases on the Moon, blasting asteroids to
Earth to build STARSHIPS, blasting astronauts to Mars and beyond...in
no time at all.

Abdul Ahad
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Old October 21st 04, 12:18 PM
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(AA Institute) wrote in message . com...
Imagine if this could be done in the next 30 years, we'd have not only
established a foothold at a single location like the Moon or Mars...
but the whole solar system could become within reach!

http://uk.geocities.com/aa_spaceagen...arth-ring.html

And the stars too...

Kill all birds with just one stone... or one asteroid for that matter!
Other than simply the long timescales necessary for such a project, I
don't see any reason why we can't or should not do this...

Abdul Ahad


This is a bit ambitious for a first mission.

You mention a delta V change of 1.9 + km/s, for an object of about 64
billion tons. This is even before bringing it down to 40,000km
altitude.

assume you use electric propulsion, with an exhaust velocity of
20km/s, you still need about 6.4 billion tons of fuel.

As you say, this is "non-trivial".

Your best bet is to find a 3,000 ton Near Earth Rock (~15m diameter),
and bring this in a High Earth Orbit (400,000km). This could be done
with a probe weighing 50 tons (= LEO launch mass of about 150 tons),
using the rock material as a propellant.

Then process the asteroid, in High Earth Orbit, to create larger
missions. Eventually, you'll get up to billion ton rocks.

Critical to this is the ability to turn NEOs into solar power
generators.
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Old October 21st 04, 06:28 PM
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"Micky" wrote in message
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I disagree. If you are going to be travelling on a one way trip. And

totally
independant posibly not returning to earth in hundreds of years I think

you
do.....

"Mike Combs" wrote

One doesn't really need anything beyond 2 meters of shielding, even for
life-time exposures.


You are basing your opinion, as far as I can tell, on what you "think". I'm
basing my opinion on peer-reviewed NASA studies:
http://lifesci3.arc.nasa.gov/SpaceSe.../5appendE.html

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Mike Combs
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Old October 21st 04, 08:10 PM
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You are basing your opinion, as far as I can tell, on what you "think".


I can't imagine a better thing for any person to base their opinions on.



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Old October 21st 04, 08:27 PM
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On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 14:10:17 -0500, in a place far, far away, "Name
Withheld" made the phosphor on my monitor glow in
such a way as to indicate that:

You are basing your opinion, as far as I can tell, on what you "think".


I can't imagine a better thing for any person to base their opinions on.


How about what people who know what they're talking about think?
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Old October 22nd 04, 01:49 AM
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"Name Withheld" wrote in message
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You are basing your opinion, as far as I can tell, on what you "think".


I can't imagine a better thing for any person to base their opinions on.


There are people who seriously think the world is flat.


 




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