Greenland ice-loss doubles in past decade, raising sea level faster (Forwarded)

"To put this into perspective, a cubic kilometer is one trillion
liters (approximately 264 billion gallons of water), about a quarter
more than Los Angeles uses in one year. "

This is not perspective, this is brainless number-flaunting.

PERSPECTIVE would be telling how much sea level rise
is caused by a cubic kilometer of ice. The number is easy
to calculate but the press release writers did not seem to want
their readers to have it.



"Andrew Yee" wrote in message
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Erica Hupp/Dwayne Brown
Headquarters, Washington February 16, 2006
(202) 358-1237/1726

Alan Buis
Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif.
(818) 354-0474

RELEASE: 06-066

GREENLAND ICE-LOSS DOUBLES IN PAST DECADE, RAISING SEA LEVEL FASTER

"Jim Oberg" wrote:
PERSPECTIVE would be telling how much sea level rise
is caused by a cubic kilometer of ice. The number is easy
to calculate but the press release writers did not seem to want
their readers to have it.

Well - here's an article that actually states expected sea level rise:

http://observer.bard.edu/articles/news/186

Hope that helps.

Is there an interactive global map or spread sheet tally of what amount
of dry land we'd have left to work with, say per each 10 meter rise?

If going for nearly the maximum, say 50 meters extra ocean rise; how
much dry land is lost?
-
Brad Gurh

"Brad Guth" wrote:
Is there an interactive global map or spread sheet tally of what amount
of dry land we'd have left to work with, say per each 10 meter rise?

Not interactive, but see for example figure 5 in:

http://www.gfdl.noaa.gov/~tk/climate...t_webpage.html

There's no shortage of such articles saying such things -- but Bard College
is no hotbed of rigorous scientific research, it's just another writer
regurgitating the same themes (Bard is notorious for its political leanngs,
as you may be aware, and I don't have to be more specific about the
direction of those leanings, do I?), so citing this article is just
'groupspeak'
argumentation.

Except it DID provide a value of sea level rise, but did also omit a major
other number. It related how much the sea level actually would be affected,
which is the equivalent of three sheets of typing paper a year -- then added
how much sea level would rise if ALL the ice melted. But note that it
omitted telling how LONG at even the 'alarming' rates it would take to
melt all the ice.

Do the calculation -- it's 20,000 years.

Sure, and it's scary, if a current trend continues for 20,000 years,
we're all in a heap of trouble (and sea level).

Article proves my point -- press coverage, especially Bard College
style press coverage, OMITS actual numbers that detract from
the deisred alarmism.

JimO

PS I remember Bard College fondly -- my team (I was a member)
whupped their team's brains at the GE College Bowl on TV in
1964. Sweet kids, loony left even then, clueless about reality.


"Jim Logajan" wrote in message
.. .
"Jim Oberg" wrote:
PERSPECTIVE would be telling how much sea level rise
is caused by a cubic kilometer of ice. The number is easy
to calculate but the press release writers did not seem to want
their readers to have it.

Well - here's an article that actually states expected sea level rise:

http://observer.bard.edu/articles/news/186

Hope that helps.

On Sat, 25 Feb 2006 13:39:27 GMT, "Jim Oberg"
wrote:

Except it DID provide a value of sea level rise, but did also omit a major
other number. It related how much the sea level actually would be affected,
which is the equivalent of three sheets of typing paper a year -- then added
how much sea level would rise if ALL the ice melted. But note that it
omitted telling how LONG at even the 'alarming' rates it would take to
melt all the ice.

Do the calculation -- it's 20,000 years.

Problem is, the climatic record indicates that changes in climate and
sea level are often much faster than that, and there are probably
positive feedback mechanisms involved which we do not yet understand.

-- Roy L

Jim Oberg wrote:

"To put this into perspective, a cubic kilometer is one trillion
liters (approximately 264 billion gallons of water), about a quarter
more than Los Angeles uses in one year. "

This is not perspective, this is brainless number-flaunting.

PERSPECTIVE would be telling how much sea level rise
is caused by a cubic kilometer of ice. The number is easy
to calculate but the press release writers did not seem to want
their readers to have it.



If you don't like that, this is really going to set you off:
http://www.everybodysweather.com/Sta...ce_Cap_Melter/

Pat



"Andrew Yee" wrote in message
...


Erica Hupp/Dwayne Brown
Headquarters, Washington February 16, 2006
(202) 358-1237/1726

Alan Buis
Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif.
(818) 354-0474

RELEASE: 06-066

GREENLAND ICE-LOSS DOUBLES IN PAST DECADE, RAISING SEA LEVEL FASTER

In article ,
wrote:

Except it DID provide a value of sea level rise, but did also omit a major
other number. It related how much the sea level actually would be affected,
which is the equivalent of three sheets of typing paper a year -- then added
how much sea level would rise if ALL the ice melted. But note that it
omitted telling how LONG at even the 'alarming' rates it would take to
melt all the ice.

Do the calculation -- it's 20,000 years.

Problem is, the climatic record indicates that changes in climate and
sea level are often much faster than that, and there are probably
positive feedback mechanisms involved which we do not yet understand.

Precisely. The current rate of warming will increase significantly.
Worse for the rate of sea-level rise, it's not necessary to *melt* all
the ice: it just has to slide off Greenland and float. Of course the
global warming deniers don't want you to know these things because it
would detract from their message of complacency about the status quo.

For facts and discussion about global warming from climatologists and
atmospheric physicists, see http://www.realclimate.org/

"Jim Logajan" wrote in message
.. .
"Jim Oberg" wrote:
PERSPECTIVE would be telling how much sea level rise
is caused by a cubic kilometer of ice. The number is easy
to calculate but the press release writers did not seem to want
their readers to have it.

Well - here's an article that actually states expected sea level rise:

http://observer.bard.edu/articles/news/186


so basically they say that *if* the level of CO2 hits 4x what it is today
and then levels off over the next 50 years...then by 500 years from now the
ocean level will have risen a whopping *six* feet.

New Orleans is screwed again, as is the Outer Banks, Charleston, and the
Everglades. Don't buy any vacation property in Naples.

Not exactly a lot to get all worried about, adn this is the worst-case
predictions from a *liberal* institution...

--
Terrell Miller


"If Pop is a basket of kittens, and Punk a snarky little terrier, modern
Prog is the giant squid beast that eats them all"
-Entertainment Weekly

Well, Richard, you have thoroughly demonized the people
who disagree with you. Make you feel more intellectually secure?


"richard schumacher" wrot
Precisely. The current rate of warming will increase significantly.
Worse for the rate of sea-level rise, it's not necessary to *melt* all
the ice: it just has to slide off Greenland and float. Of course the
global warming deniers don't want you to know these things because it
would detract from their message of complacency about the status quo.

For facts and discussion about global warming from climatologists and
atmospheric physicists, see http://www.realclimate.org/