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April 22nd 13, 01:36 AM
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Terraforming the moon underground:
On Apr 21, 4:04*pm, David Staup wrote:
On 4/21/2013 5:53 PM, Brad Guth wrote: Terraforming the moon underground: (mining plus creating safe habitats inside of that extremely tough crust) is not nearly as insurmountable as you might think. Besides the mainstream naysay gauntlet against folks ever exploiting the extremely nearby planet Venus for all it’s worth, it's as though there is also something oddly mainstream taboo/forbidden or nondisclosure associated with any notions of independently exploiting the likely soft innards of our physically dark and paramagnetic moon. Go figure that we’re either being intentionally snookered or simply misdirected by our oligarch peers. Once TBMs(tunnel boring machines) are situated and working sufficiently deep underground (other than remote logistics issues that at first should be daunting), what's the likely geological difference between our moon and Earth? Inside the paramagnetic basalt crust of our moon is probably not going to be all that much different than tunneling inside of Earth’s granite and much less paramagnetic basalt, especially once our TBMs get sufficiently into and below that extremely tough paramagnetic basalt and carbonado tough crust of 3.5+ g/cm3 that our NASA/Apollo era had documented as offering a much lower density as well as perfectly inert (not the least bit paramagnetic or hardly even mineral or other metal worthy) and otherwise as mostly monochromatic as well as hardly even the least bit dusty on top, and there certainly wasn’t any problems with the failsafe technology of their fly-by-rocket landers that can be manually flown and easily scaled to suit pretty much any payload tonnage. *However, the greatly reduced gravity should by rights yield a very soft or porous kind of moon innards, along with offering gas formed geode pockets and possibly layers of mineral brines (even a potential of hydrocarbons in addition to encountering a great deal of fused crust sequestered helium), in that once sufficiently underneath is when TBMs should whiz right through at a fraction of the difficulty found in dealing with the inner bedrock of Earth. No doubt the resident redneck FUD-masters and their oligarchs of authority in charge of mainstream damage-control, by having to continually topic/author stalk and otherwise sequester such independent notions about exploiting our moon, are probably going to need many extra Depends(aka adult diapers) in order to effectively deal with their usual damage-control exploits of topic/author stalking and trashing of this topic. *Sorry about that. Fortunately, we only have to be realistic in order to appreciate what the inverted density or softer innards of our moon should have to offer, not to mention my other notions of creating the LSE-CM/ISS and of otherwise relocating the orbit of our moon as to actively station- keeping it within Earth L1. *At least Stanley Kubrick would be so proud, not to mention most every global domination villain on Earth, including those of our Paperclip Nazis that supposedly got us safely to/from our moon without a scratch. Figuring conservatively that fewer than 10% access my topics and replies via Google Groups or Groups+, makes my global Usenet/newsgroup audience worth at least 32,210 per week. Google Groups: Your 7-day activity 14 discussions replies 29 direct replies to your messages 3221views of your messages 14 views of your profile Not sure if this reported activity is necessarily a good or bad thing, but none the less it seems to reflect that others are finding some of what I have to offer as either worth their while or at least entertaining. *Perhaps there’s not too many teachers or instructors that would have nearly the same audience to brag about, and especially those of my devoted FUD-masters as having an audience of roughly zero once excluding others of their own redneck FUD-master kind that must always brown-nose their oligarch peers, or else risk losing their funding. chuckle.... have you EVER considered..... that the reason you never get any serious responses.. is the absurdity of your thoughts.... Not really, but I do understand that ruse-masters and FUD-masters like yourself are a dime a dozen. Are you suggesting that exploiting our moon or even its L1 as our oasis/gateway and for accommodating the LSE-CM/ISS plus many other considerations, are not worth considering? Are you suggesting that saving Earth as a whole, its environment plus countless lives and perhaps more than a trillion dollars per year, as well as otherwise employing millions of us, is not such a good idea? How exactly are you calculating that I "never get any serious responses"? Google Groups: Your 7-day activity 14 discussions replies 32 direct replies to your messages 3240 views of your messages 15 views of your profile What sort of 7-day activity report does Google Groups report about your Usenet/newsgroup account? 
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April 22nd 13, 11:41 AM
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Terraforming the moon underground:
On Apr 11, 9:17*am, Brad Guth wrote:
Pay no special attention to those hiding behind curtains and pretending as always being faith-based and/or politically correct, because it's their mostly public-funded and/or faith-based job to topic/author stalk and to otherwise FUD everything to death. *Hitler had the exact same “Paperclip” team of rusemasters and FUD-masters, as professional clowns working and/or manipulating the locals into a mainstream status-quo mindset, which unfortunately far too many bought into instead of taking any logical stance against their totally bat**** crazy peers. Of course this mainstream status-quo policy of obfuscation and denial is what brought us a mutually perpetrated cold-war era and the negative Karma likes of 911 (make that positive Karma if you are an oligarch of our military industrial complex), each of which wasted decades and costing us trillions of our hard earned dollars, as well as having systematically squandered all sorts of talent, expertise and resources that we'll never get back, and which force other nations to follow suit. Venus is pretty much as hot and nasty as we’ve all been indoctrinated about. *However, this not necessarily the case of each and every location, such as mountainous and polar area can be considerably cooler though still extremely hot by human standards that we’re accustomed to. *With applied physics and reasonable technology, the surface of Venus can be dealt with, at least robotically, and otherwise via composite rigid airships it can be further exploited while easily protecting the airship crew. *Of course you have to think both really big and perhaps even small in order to fully appreciate the potential of what exploiting such a nearby planet has to offer, because it’s the in-between that’s not easily accomplished if you can only think of terrestrial methods that get to deal with on Earth. Our physically dark and naked moon is just another metallicity treasure trove of valuable resources (including much clean energy), just sitting out there and causing us mostly grief and otherwise contributing very little terrestrial benefit, unless added IR, X-rays and gamma plus loads of tidal surging and increased seismic trauma is desirable. On Feb 18, 6:56*am, Brad Guth wrote: It's probably close to averaging a cozy 0 F (255 K) at no greater than 10 meters deep, and it shouldn't have any problems reaching 70 F (day or night) at 100 km deep or possibly as shallow as 10 km (depending on the core energy). *The R-factor of lunar regolith (lose basalt rock and loads of crystal dry dust that’s at minimum 10 meters deep) is none too shabby, and otherwise the geothermal conductance and/or heat transfer coefficient (aka geothermal gradient) of its paramagnetic basalt crust of 3.5 g/cm3 density shouldn't be significantly any different than here on Earth, except that our terrestrial basalt isn't nearly as paramagnetic or much less offering carbonado, and the core heat of Earth being 7000+ K as opposed to only 1000 K of our moon. Supposedly there is only a wee little bit of lunar granite to deal with, but the samples thus far are inconsistent in their composition. A new interpretation is that all-inclusively the geothermal outflux of Earth (including geothermal vents and volcanic contributions) is getting rid of roughly 128 mw/m2, whereas our moon is supposedly only getting rid of as little as 16 mw/m2 (an 8th as much). *http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geothermal_gradient *“Geothermal gradient is the rate of increasing temperature with respect to increasing depth in the Earth's interior.” The "Igneous Petrology" of our moon and Venus should each be unique and considerably different than Earth. “The composition of igneous rocks and minerals can be determined via a variety of methods of varying ease, cost, and complexity. The simplest method is observation of hand samples with the naked eye and/or with a hand lens. This can be used to gauge the general mineralogical composition of the rock, which gives an insight into the composition.” Unfortunately, the rocks returned from our moon were entirely similar to those of terrestrial rocks. *Of course there’s all sorts of actual paramagnetic basalt moon rock to be found on Earth, because there should be at least a thousand teratonnes of it, whereas naturally most of which ended up in oceans and otherwise as having meteor and obvious melt indications that are entirely quite different than local volcanic spewed basalts. “A more precise but still relatively inexpensive way to identify minerals (and thereby the bulk chemical composition of the rock) with a petrographic microscope. These microscopes have polarizing plates, filters, and a conoscopic lens that allow the user to measure a large number of crystallographic properties.” Contributor “Wretch Fossil” actually has a very good “petrographic microscope” and multiple resources plus talent of interpreting such to go along with it. *Sadly this technology and its expertise of interpreting is being ignored by those of authority that do not want outsiders having a public say about anything. *So, once again, it really doesn’t matter whatever level of modern applied technology and expertise we have to offer, because it’s only going to be topic/author stalked and systematically trashed by those of Usenet/newsgroup authority that have multiple mainstream issues at risk. TBMs cutting their tunnels into the interior of our moon should prove both interesting and rewarding in terms of extracting rare and valuable elements, not to mention creating the very cozy and safe habitat potential that’s opened up for multiple uses. *Unfortunately this method can not be applied on such a geodynamically active planet like Venus that has such a thin crust and way more primordial core energy outflux of perhaps 20.5 w/m2 as contributing way more geothermal energy than any other planet or moon has to offer, although older and cooler planets or any number of their moons (except for Io that’s averaging 2 w/m2) should be somewhat similar to terraforming the cozy interior of our moon. *http://www.mps.mpg.de/solar-system-s...etary_interior... *http://commercialspace.pbworks.com/f/Public+ILN.pdf *The likely two thirds (6.6e17~6.6e18 tonnes) worth of lose surface basalt rock and dust including whatever 4+ billion years worth of accumulated deposits, as remaining crystal dry on the naked surface of our physically dark moon (not including the other good third portion as having been dislodged and deposited on Earth) is a direct result of the thousands of significant impacts, and especially as a result of whatever created its South polar crater of 2500 km diameter, that which all by itself should have contributed a minimum of 3e17 m3 or possibly a maximum contribution of 1e18 m3 if including the planet sized impactor contributions. *Given the limited surface area of the moon as being 3.8e13 m2 doesn’t exactly allow all that much surface area for accommodating such volume of lose crater made fallout, and perhaps due to much of its own basalt metallicity making its density worth on average 3.5 tonnes/m3 unless offset by loads of accumulated carbon buckyballs. *In that kind of hard vacuum, there really shouldn’t be all that much porosity to any of its solidified basalt or carbonado. Liquefied basalt as returning fallout from such truly horrific impacts that should have extensively solidified and possibly fused upon contact with the relatively cool basalt surface, as such should have been quite obvious and highly distinctive if such exposed lunar bedrock samples had been return to Earth. *Sadly, no such samples or even unique meteorites ever materialized from our NASA/Apollo era, that found our naked moon as instead so unusually reflective and UV, X- ray and gamma inert as well as hardly the least bit dusty, and what little crystal dry dust there was seemed to offer terrific surface tension and clumping for their footing and traction like no place else. Even taking the utmost conservative swag-estimate of 3.8e16 m3 worth of lose rock, debris and accumulated dust, is still suggesting an average surface depth of one km, which of course our Apollo era found no such indications, as though that moon is relatively new to us. *Of course, if that moon had created our Arctic ocean basin as of 11,712 years ago, would actually explain quite a bit. How’s that for a worthy topic of terraforming the innards of our naked moon that’s practically dust free and mostly solid as any rock according to our Apollo wizards? Here’s the latest rub. It seems our oligarch redneck friends of Usenet/newsgroups that act/react as though Semitic but usually pretend as being Atheists, would much rather spend an extra trillion per year of our hard earned loot on behalf of sustaining their military industrial complex, then allowing any dime on behalf anything off- world related. So, no matters what the best available science and deductive good logic has to offer about our moon or the extremely nearby planet Venus, it seems we are sh*t out of luck, and perhaps the only way out of this mainstream status-quo matrix is to make certain these oligarchs are in charge of all things off-world, and then having to live with those consequences and whatever Karma.
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April 22nd 13, 12:21 PM
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Terraforming the moon underground:
Here’s the latest rub. It seems our oligarch redneck friends of
Usenet/newsgroups that act/react as though Semitic but usually pretend as being Atheists, would much rather spend an extra trillion per year of our hard earned loot on behalf of sustaining their military industrial complex, then allowing any dime on behalf anything off- world related. So, no matters what the best available science and deductive good logic has to offer about exploiting our moon or the extremely nearby planet Venus, it seems we are sh*t out of luck, and perhaps the only way out of this mainstream status-quo matrix is to make certain these oligarchs are in charge of all things off-world, and then having to live with those consequences and whatever Karma. Privately exploiting our moon and the extremely nearby planet Venus is simply not an option unless your name is Rothschild or you happen to be in charge of China or perhaps India. These off-world exploitations are simply going to have to wait until most of our terrestrial resources are depleted and the culling of humanity gets this planet of ours down to the dull roar of hosting not more than 500 million of us, and most of the existing generations will not get to select any of those 500 million that’ll get to stay alive and only selectively reproduce. At least that’s within the gist of what our Georgia Guidestones have to say. It’s as though our world has already been invaded by the body snatchers, and we’re totally under their collective control regardless of whatever the best available logic and science has to say. At least most of us are willing to go along with whatever the upper caste of oligarchs have to say, as we’re too afraid to buck or grind against their mainstream flow, and we don’t want to be thought of as being the least bit critical of our peers (elected or otherwise). In other words, global domination and the New World Order (N.W.O.) is becoming a done deal, making individual ethnicity obsolete and only one acceptable religion or suitable matrix clone of religions permitted. On Apr 11, 9:17*am, Brad Guth wrote: Pay no special attention to those hiding behind curtains and pretending as always being faith-based and/or politically correct, because it's their mostly public-funded and/or faith-based job to topic/author stalk and to otherwise FUD everything to death. *Hitler had the exact same “Paperclip” team of rusemasters and FUD-masters, as professional clowns working and/or manipulating the locals into a mainstream status-quo mindset, which unfortunately far too many bought into instead of taking any logical stance against their totally bat**** crazy peers. Of course this mainstream status-quo policy of obfuscation and denial is what brought us a mutually perpetrated cold-war era and the negative Karma likes of 911 (make that positive Karma if you are an oligarch of our military industrial complex), each of which wasted decades and costing us trillions of our hard earned dollars, as well as having systematically squandered all sorts of talent, expertise and resources that we'll never get back, and which force other nations to follow suit. Venus is pretty much as hot and nasty as we’ve all been indoctrinated about. *However, this not necessarily the case of each and every location, such as mountainous and polar area can be considerably cooler though still extremely hot by human standards that we’re accustomed to. *With applied physics and reasonable technology, the surface of Venus can be dealt with, at least robotically, and otherwise via composite rigid airships it can be further exploited while easily protecting the airship crew. *Of course you have to think both really big and perhaps even small in order to fully appreciate the potential of what exploiting such a nearby planet has to offer, because it’s the in-between that’s not easily accomplished if you can only think of terrestrial methods that get to deal with on Earth. Our physically dark and naked moon is just another metallicity treasure trove of valuable resources (including much clean energy), just sitting out there and causing us mostly grief and otherwise contributing very little terrestrial benefit, unless added IR, X-rays and gamma plus loads of tidal surging and increased seismic trauma is desirable. On Feb 18, 6:56*am, Brad Guth wrote: It's probably close to averaging a cozy 0 F (255 K) at no greater than 10 meters deep, and it shouldn't have any problems reaching 70 F (day or night) at 100 km deep or possibly as shallow as 10 km (depending on the core energy). *The R-factor of lunar regolith (lose basalt rock and loads of crystal dry dust that’s at minimum 10 meters deep) is none too shabby, and otherwise the geothermal conductance and/or heat transfer coefficient (aka geothermal gradient) of its paramagnetic basalt crust of 3.5 g/cm3 density shouldn't be significantly any different than here on Earth, except that our terrestrial basalt isn't nearly as paramagnetic or much less offering carbonado, and the core heat of Earth being 7000+ K as opposed to only 1000 K of our moon. Supposedly there is only a wee little bit of lunar granite to deal with, but the samples thus far are inconsistent in their composition. A new interpretation is that all-inclusively the geothermal outflux of Earth (including geothermal vents and volcanic contributions) is getting rid of roughly 128 mw/m2, whereas our moon is supposedly only getting rid of as little as 16 mw/m2 (an 8th as much). *http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geothermal_gradient *“Geothermal gradient is the rate of increasing temperature with respect to increasing depth in the Earth's interior.” The "Igneous Petrology" of our moon and Venus should each be unique and considerably different than Earth. “The composition of igneous rocks and minerals can be determined via a variety of methods of varying ease, cost, and complexity. The simplest method is observation of hand samples with the naked eye and/or with a hand lens. This can be used to gauge the general mineralogical composition of the rock, which gives an insight into the composition.” Unfortunately, the rocks returned from our moon were entirely similar to those of terrestrial rocks. *Of course there’s all sorts of actual paramagnetic basalt moon rock to be found on Earth, because there should be at least a thousand teratonnes of it, whereas naturally most of which ended up in oceans and otherwise as having meteor and obvious melt indications that are entirely quite different than local volcanic spewed basalts. “A more precise but still relatively inexpensive way to identify minerals (and thereby the bulk chemical composition of the rock) with a petrographic microscope. These microscopes have polarizing plates, filters, and a conoscopic lens that allow the user to measure a large number of crystallographic properties.” Contributor “Wretch Fossil” actually has a very good “petrographic microscope” and multiple resources plus talent of interpreting such to go along with it. *Sadly this technology and its expertise of interpreting is being ignored by those of authority that do not want outsiders having a public say about anything. *So, once again, it really doesn’t matter whatever level of modern applied technology and expertise we have to offer, because it’s only going to be topic/author stalked and systematically trashed by those of Usenet/newsgroup authority that have multiple mainstream issues at risk. TBMs cutting their tunnels into the interior of our moon should prove both interesting and rewarding in terms of extracting rare and valuable elements, not to mention creating the very cozy and safe habitat potential that’s opened up for multiple uses. *Unfortunately this method can not be applied on such a geodynamically active planet like Venus that has such a thin crust and way more primordial core energy outflux of perhaps 20.5 w/m2 as contributing way more geothermal energy than any other planet or moon has to offer, although older and cooler planets or any number of their moons (except for Io that’s averaging 2 w/m2) should be somewhat similar to terraforming the cozy interior of our moon. *http://www.mps.mpg.de/solar-system-s...etary_interior... *http://commercialspace.pbworks.com/f/Public+ILN.pdf *The likely two thirds (6.6e17~6.6e18 tonnes) worth of lose surface basalt rock and dust including whatever 4+ billion years worth of accumulated deposits, as remaining crystal dry on the naked surface of our physically dark moon (not including the other good third portion as having been dislodged and deposited on Earth) is a direct result of the thousands of significant impacts, and especially as a result of whatever created its South polar crater of 2500 km diameter, that which all by itself should have contributed a minimum of 3e17 m3 or possibly a maximum contribution of 1e18 m3 if including the planet sized impactor contributions. *Given the limited surface area of the moon as being 3.8e13 m2 doesn’t exactly allow all that much surface area for accommodating such volume of lose crater made fallout, and perhaps due to much of its own basalt metallicity making its density worth on average 3.5 tonnes/m3 unless offset by loads of accumulated carbon buckyballs. *In that kind of hard vacuum, there really shouldn’t be all that much porosity to any of its solidified basalt or carbonado. Liquefied basalt as returning fallout from such truly horrific impacts that should have extensively solidified and possibly fused upon contact with the relatively cool basalt surface, as such should have been quite obvious and highly distinctive if such exposed lunar bedrock samples had been return to Earth. *Sadly, no such samples or even unique meteorites ever materialized from our NASA/Apollo era, that found our naked moon as instead so unusually reflective and UV, X- ray and gamma inert as well as hardly the least bit dusty, and what little crystal dry dust there was seemed to offer terrific surface tension and clumping for their footing and traction like no place else. Even taking the utmost conservative swag-estimate of 3.8e16 m3 worth of lose rock, debris and accumulated dust, is still suggesting an average surface depth of one km, which of course our Apollo era found no such indications, as though that moon is relatively new to us. *Of course, if that moon had created our Arctic ocean basin as of 11,712 years ago, would actually explain quite a bit. How’s that for a worthy topic of terraforming the innards of our naked moon that’s practically dust free and mostly solid as any rock according to our Apollo wizards?
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April 23rd 13, 04:10 PM
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Terraforming the moon underground:
We can get lots of helium and even He3 from our moon, which might some
day become viable considering the ongoing depletion of terrestrial helium. Some natural geothermal vents in India have been objectively quantified as giving off 20% helium (1e25 atoms of He/m3), and none of that considerable volume sticks around but for a few seconds per vertical meter after each geothermal vent belch. Most natural ground venting of helium is perhaps worth something less than 1 ppm/sec. However, even if the average all-inclusive leakage of all things natural plus artificially caused were only 10% of that or .1 ppm/m2/ sec, is still 5.1e13 ppm/m3/sec, and don't ever forget there's roughly 5e25 atoms/m3 of standard surface air which makes that .1 ppm/m3/sec into being worth 5e18 atoms of helium escapement per surface cubic meter. 5e18 x 5.1e14 x 1.67e-27 = 42.6e5 kg/sec. As is each cubic meter of surface atmosphere supposedly contains 5.24 ppm He, which represents 2.67e20 atoms of helium that has to be continually replenished because of the extremely low mass or specific gravity of helium which never binds with anything, is also what makes it a rather buoyant or lofty element, and as others having specified that our planet would need roughly 7 times as much gravity in order to hold onto its helium. Even if this ongoing loss were given 1000 seconds in order to escape each vertical cubic meter, is going to represent that .1 ppm/m3 of natural plus artificial surface escapement is going to give an all- inclusive global loss of 4.26e3 kg/sec, which seems a far cry greater rate of loss than any wussy 50 grams/sec as specified by our mainstream status-quo science that published just about everywhere. I’ve certainly made my fair share of math mistakes in the past, and perhaps this is yet another mistaken conclusion, but I honestly don’t think so. If I’m way the hell off base, then why don’t our Big Energy cartels that you always support and even worship that supposedly know everything there is to know, bother to tell us otherwise? Perhaps our Big Energy buddies at BP should be telling us how little helium escapes from all of their hydrocarbon exploitations, as compared to Shell or others. On Apr 11, 9:17*am, Brad Guth wrote: Pay no special attention to those hiding behind curtains and pretending as always being faith-based and/or politically correct, because it's their mostly public-funded and/or faith-based job to topic/author stalk and to otherwise FUD everything to death. *Hitler had the exact same “Paperclip” team of rusemasters and FUD-masters, as professional clowns working and/or manipulating the locals into a mainstream status-quo mindset, which unfortunately far too many bought into instead of taking any logical stance against their totally bat**** crazy peers. Of course this mainstream status-quo policy of obfuscation and denial is what brought us a mutually perpetrated cold-war era and the negative Karma likes of 911 (make that positive Karma if you are an oligarch of our military industrial complex), each of which wasted decades and costing us trillions of our hard earned dollars, as well as having systematically squandered all sorts of talent, expertise and resources that we'll never get back, and which force other nations to follow suit. Venus is pretty much as hot and nasty as we’ve all been indoctrinated about. *However, this not necessarily the case of each and every location, such as mountainous and polar area can be considerably cooler though still extremely hot by human standards that we’re accustomed to. *With applied physics and reasonable technology, the surface of Venus can be dealt with, at least robotically, and otherwise via composite rigid airships it can be further exploited while easily protecting the airship crew. *Of course you have to think both really big and perhaps even small in order to fully appreciate the potential of what exploiting such a nearby planet has to offer, because it’s the in-between that’s not easily accomplished if you can only think of terrestrial methods that get to deal with on Earth. Our physically dark and naked moon is just another metallicity treasure trove of valuable resources (including much clean energy), just sitting out there and causing us mostly grief and otherwise contributing very little terrestrial benefit, unless added IR, X-rays and gamma plus loads of tidal surging and increased seismic trauma is desirable. On Feb 18, 6:56*am, Brad Guth wrote: It's probably close to averaging a cozy 0 F (255 K) at no greater than 10 meters deep, and it shouldn't have any problems reaching 70 F (day or night) at 100 km deep or possibly as shallow as 10 km (depending on the core energy). *The R-factor of lunar regolith (lose basalt rock and loads of crystal dry dust that’s at minimum 10 meters deep) is none too shabby, and otherwise the geothermal conductance and/or heat transfer coefficient (aka geothermal gradient) of its paramagnetic basalt crust of 3.5 g/cm3 density shouldn't be significantly any different than here on Earth, except that our terrestrial basalt isn't nearly as paramagnetic or much less offering carbonado, and the core heat of Earth being 7000+ K as opposed to only 1000 K of our moon. Supposedly there is only a wee little bit of lunar granite to deal with, but the samples thus far are inconsistent in their composition. A new interpretation is that all-inclusively the geothermal outflux of Earth (including geothermal vents and volcanic contributions) is getting rid of roughly 128 mw/m2, whereas our moon is supposedly only getting rid of as little as 16 mw/m2 (an 8th as much). *http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geothermal_gradient *“Geothermal gradient is the rate of increasing temperature with respect to increasing depth in the Earth's interior.” The "Igneous Petrology" of our moon and Venus should each be unique and considerably different than Earth. “The composition of igneous rocks and minerals can be determined via a variety of methods of varying ease, cost, and complexity. The simplest method is observation of hand samples with the naked eye and/or with a hand lens. This can be used to gauge the general mineralogical composition of the rock, which gives an insight into the composition.” Unfortunately, the rocks returned from our moon were entirely similar to those of terrestrial rocks. *Of course there’s all sorts of actual paramagnetic basalt moon rock to be found on Earth, because there should be at least a thousand teratonnes of it, whereas naturally most of which ended up in oceans and otherwise as having meteor and obvious melt indications that are entirely quite different than local volcanic spewed basalts. “A more precise but still relatively inexpensive way to identify minerals (and thereby the bulk chemical composition of the rock) with a petrographic microscope. These microscopes have polarizing plates, filters, and a conoscopic lens that allow the user to measure a large number of crystallographic properties.” Contributor “Wretch Fossil” actually has a very good “petrographic microscope” and multiple resources plus talent of interpreting such to go along with it. *Sadly this technology and its expertise of interpreting is being ignored by those of authority that do not want outsiders having a public say about anything. *So, once again, it really doesn’t matter whatever level of modern applied technology and expertise we have to offer, because it’s only going to be topic/author stalked and systematically trashed by those of Usenet/newsgroup authority that have multiple mainstream issues at risk. TBMs cutting their tunnels into the interior of our moon should prove both interesting and rewarding in terms of extracting rare and valuable elements, not to mention creating the very cozy and safe habitat potential that’s opened up for multiple uses. *Unfortunately this method can not be applied on such a geodynamically active planet like Venus that has such a thin crust and way more primordial core energy outflux of perhaps 20.5 w/m2 as contributing way more geothermal energy than any other planet or moon has to offer, although older and cooler planets or any number of their moons (except for Io that’s averaging 2 w/m2) should be somewhat similar to terraforming the cozy interior of our moon. *http://www.mps.mpg.de/solar-system-s...etary_interior... *http://commercialspace.pbworks.com/f/Public+ILN.pdf *The likely two thirds (6.6e17~6.6e18 tonnes) worth of lose surface basalt rock and dust including whatever 4+ billion years worth of accumulated deposits, as remaining crystal dry on the naked surface of our physically dark moon (not including the other good third portion as having been dislodged and deposited on Earth) is a direct result of the thousands of significant impacts, and especially as a result of whatever created its South polar crater of 2500 km diameter, that which all by itself should have contributed a minimum of 3e17 m3 or possibly a maximum contribution of 1e18 m3 if including the planet sized impactor contributions. *Given the limited surface area of the moon as being 3.8e13 m2 doesn’t exactly allow all that much surface area for accommodating such volume of lose crater made fallout, and perhaps due to much of its own basalt metallicity making its density worth on average 3.5 tonnes/m3 unless offset by loads of accumulated carbon buckyballs. *In that kind of hard vacuum, there really shouldn’t be all that much porosity to any of its solidified basalt or carbonado. Liquefied basalt as returning fallout from such truly horrific impacts that should have extensively solidified and possibly fused upon contact with the relatively cool basalt surface, as such should have been quite obvious and highly distinctive if such exposed lunar bedrock samples had been return to Earth. *Sadly, no such samples or even unique meteorites ever materialized from our NASA/Apollo era, that found our naked moon as instead so unusually reflective and UV, X- ray and gamma inert as well as hardly the least bit dusty, and what little crystal dry dust there was seemed to offer terrific surface tension and clumping for their footing and traction like no place else. Even taking the utmost conservative swag-estimate of 3.8e16 m3 worth of lose rock, debris and accumulated dust, is still suggesting an average surface depth of one km, which of course our Apollo era found no such indications, as though that moon is relatively new to us. *Of course, if that moon had created our Arctic ocean basin as of 11,712 years ago, would actually explain quite a bit. How’s that for a worthy topic of terraforming the innards of our naked moon that’s practically dust free and mostly solid as any rock according to our Apollo wizards?
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April 23rd 13, 06:06 PM
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Terraforming the moon underground:
It’s all relative, because we can get lots of helium and even He3
(3He) from our moon, which might some day become viable considering the ongoing depletion of terrestrial helium. Of course any off-world resource of rare elements like helium is going to be spendy as hell, but if there’s an insufficient terrestrial resupply of such an essential elements that’s in greater demand than ever is what should make its cost a non-issue, just like the mutually perpetrated cold-war era and subsequent proxy wars plus whatever consequence of our military industrial complex and various Karma hasn’t been an issue for most of us, not even at having cost this world trillions per year and having terminated millions of lives. Some natural geothermal vents in India have been objectively quantified as giving off 20% helium (1e25 atoms of He/m3), and none of that considerable volume sticks around but for a few seconds per vertical meter after each geothermal vent belch. Most natural ground venting of helium is perhaps worth something less than 1 ppm/sec. However, even if the average all-inclusive leakage of all things natural plus artificially caused were only 10% of that or .1 ppm/m2/ sec, is still 5.1e13 ppm/m3/sec, and don't ever forget there's roughly 5e25 atoms/m3 of standard surface air which makes that .1 ppm/m3/sec into being worth 5e18 atoms of helium escapement per surface cubic meter. 5e18 x 5.1e14 x 1.67e-27 = 42.6e5 kg/sec. As is each cubic meter of surface atmosphere supposedly contains 5.24 ppm He, which represents 2.67e20 atoms of helium that has to be continually replenished because of the extremely low mass or specific gravity of helium which never binds with anything, is also what makes it a rather buoyant or lofty element, and as others having specified that our planet would need roughly 7 times as much gravity in order to hold onto its helium. Even if this ongoing loss were given 1000 seconds in order to escape each vertical cubic meter, is going to represent that .1 ppm/m3 of natural plus artificial surface escapement is going to give an all- inclusive global loss of 4.26e3 kg/sec, which seems a far cry greater rate of loss than any wussy 50 grams/sec as specified by our mainstream status-quo science that published just about everywhere. I’ve certainly made my fair share of math mistakes in the past, and perhaps this is yet another mistaken conclusion, but I honestly don’t think so. If I’m way the hell off base, then why don’t our Big Energy cartels that you always support and even worship that supposedly know everything there is to know, bother to tell us otherwise? Perhaps our Big Energy buddies at BP should be telling us how little helium escapes from all of their hydrocarbon exploitations, as compared to Shell or others. Our planet has not been gaining atmospheric mass, even though humanity has been doing everything possible as to increasing its saturations of CO2 and NOx in addition to increasing water vapor plus many other artificial contributions (mostly bad stuff) along with venting hydrogen and helium as fast as we can manage. Perhaps initially our planet had 100+ bar worth of an atmospheric layer protecting everything, or nearly a hundred times more atmospheric mass to work with, but obviously not anymore. Helium escapement (second to the easiest of elements to blow away) is also increased by way of solar heating and of course getting constantly excavated away from Earth by the solar wind which includes some of its own helium (CMEs having as much as 10% He). Even our moon can't manage to hold onto its sodium, with an exospheric sodium cloud of 9r and a comet like tail of 900,0000 km, of which Earth passes directly through every time that moon gets directly aligned between us and our sun that's typically blowing at 300+ km/ sec, which can surge to 1000+ km/sec. There is always some influx of elements, including helium as contained within the space dust, meteorites and asteroids, but it's a fraction of what tonnage is being lost to space. One of the many off-world benefits of TBMs excavating into the thick paramagnetic basalt and carbonado crust of our moon, will be the extraction of 2He and 3He in addition to good old O2 and various other elements including a little H2O. The hard part of this has to do with convincing our terrestrial oligarchs into allowing this future treasure trove of nearby element extractions to happen before it’s too late. On Apr 11, 9:17*am, Brad Guth wrote: Pay no special attention to those hiding behind curtains and pretending as always being faith-based and/or politically correct, because it's their mostly public-funded and/or faith-based job to topic/author stalk and to otherwise FUD everything to death. *Hitler had the exact same “Paperclip” team of rusemasters and FUD-masters, as professional clowns working and/or manipulating the locals into a mainstream status-quo mindset, which unfortunately far too many bought into instead of taking any logical stance against their totally bat**** crazy peers. Of course this mainstream status-quo policy of obfuscation and denial is what brought us a mutually perpetrated cold-war era and the negative Karma likes of 911 (make that positive Karma if you are an oligarch of our military industrial complex), each of which wasted decades and costing us trillions of our hard earned dollars, as well as having systematically squandered all sorts of talent, expertise and resources that we'll never get back, and which force other nations to follow suit. Venus is pretty much as hot and nasty as we’ve all been indoctrinated about. *However, this not necessarily the case of each and every location, such as mountainous and polar area can be considerably cooler though still extremely hot by human standards that we’re accustomed to. *With applied physics and reasonable technology, the surface of Venus can be dealt with, at least robotically, and otherwise via composite rigid airships it can be further exploited while easily protecting the airship crew. *Of course you have to think both really big and perhaps even small in order to fully appreciate the potential of what exploiting such a nearby planet has to offer, because it’s the in-between that’s not easily accomplished if you can only think of terrestrial methods that get to deal with on Earth. Our physically dark and naked moon is just another metallicity treasure trove of valuable resources (including much clean energy), just sitting out there and causing us mostly grief and otherwise contributing very little terrestrial benefit, unless added IR, X-rays and gamma plus loads of tidal surging and increased seismic trauma is desirable. On Feb 18, 6:56*am, Brad Guth wrote: It's probably close to averaging a cozy 0 F (255 K) at no greater than 10 meters deep, and it shouldn't have any problems reaching 70 F (day or night) at 100 km deep or possibly as shallow as 10 km (depending on the core energy). *The R-factor of lunar regolith (lose basalt rock and loads of crystal dry dust that’s at minimum 10 meters deep) is none too shabby, and otherwise the geothermal conductance and/or heat transfer coefficient (aka geothermal gradient) of its paramagnetic basalt crust of 3.5 g/cm3 density shouldn't be significantly any different than here on Earth, except that our terrestrial basalt isn't nearly as paramagnetic or much less offering carbonado, and the core heat of Earth being 7000+ K as opposed to only 1000 K of our moon. Supposedly there is only a wee little bit of lunar granite to deal with, but the samples thus far are inconsistent in their composition. A new interpretation is that all-inclusively the geothermal outflux of Earth (including geothermal vents and volcanic contributions) is getting rid of roughly 128 mw/m2, whereas our moon is supposedly only getting rid of as little as 16 mw/m2 (an 8th as much). *http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geothermal_gradient *“Geothermal gradient is the rate of increasing temperature with respect to increasing depth in the Earth's interior.” The "Igneous Petrology" of our moon and Venus should each be unique and considerably different than Earth. “The composition of igneous rocks and minerals can be determined via a variety of methods of varying ease, cost, and complexity. The simplest method is observation of hand samples with the naked eye and/or with a hand lens. This can be used to gauge the general mineralogical composition of the rock, which gives an insight into the composition.” Unfortunately, the rocks returned from our moon were entirely similar to those of terrestrial rocks. *Of course there’s all sorts of actual paramagnetic basalt moon rock to be found on Earth, because there should be at least a thousand teratonnes of it, whereas naturally most of which ended up in oceans and otherwise as having meteor and obvious melt indications that are entirely quite different than local volcanic spewed basalts. “A more precise but still relatively inexpensive way to identify minerals (and thereby the bulk chemical composition of the rock) with a petrographic microscope. These microscopes have polarizing plates, filters, and a conoscopic lens that allow the user to measure a large number of crystallographic properties.” Contributor “Wretch Fossil” actually has a very good “petrographic microscope” and multiple resources plus talent of interpreting such to go along with it. *Sadly this technology and its expertise of interpreting is being ignored by those of authority that do not want outsiders having a public say about anything. *So, once again, it really doesn’t matter whatever level of modern applied technology and expertise we have to offer, because it’s only going to be topic/author stalked and systematically trashed by those of Usenet/newsgroup authority that have multiple mainstream issues at risk. TBMs cutting their tunnels into the interior of our moon should prove both interesting and rewarding in terms of extracting rare and valuable elements, not to mention creating the very cozy and safe habitat potential that’s opened up for multiple uses. *Unfortunately this method can not be applied on such a geodynamically active planet like Venus that has such a thin crust and way more primordial core energy outflux of perhaps 20.5 w/m2 as contributing way more geothermal energy than any other planet or moon has to offer, although older and cooler planets or any number of their moons (except for Io that’s averaging 2 w/m2) should be somewhat similar to terraforming the cozy interior of our moon. *http://www.mps.mpg.de/solar-system-s...etary_interior... *http://commercialspace.pbworks.com/f/Public+ILN.pdf *The likely two thirds (6.6e17~6.6e18 tonnes) worth of lose surface basalt rock and dust including whatever 4+ billion years worth of accumulated deposits, as remaining crystal dry on the naked surface of our physically dark moon (not including the other good third portion as having been dislodged and deposited on Earth) is a direct result of the thousands of significant impacts, and especially as a result of whatever created its South polar crater of 2500 km diameter, that which all by itself should have contributed a minimum of 3e17 m3 or possibly a maximum contribution of 1e18 m3 if including the planet sized impactor contributions. *Given the limited surface area of the moon as being 3.8e13 m2 doesn’t exactly allow all that much surface area for accommodating such volume of lose crater made fallout, and perhaps due to much of its own basalt metallicity making its density worth on average 3.5 tonnes/m3 unless offset by loads of accumulated carbon buckyballs. *In that kind of hard vacuum, there really shouldn’t be all that much porosity to any of its solidified basalt or carbonado. Liquefied basalt as returning fallout from such truly horrific impacts that should have extensively solidified and possibly fused upon contact with the relatively cool basalt surface, as such should have been quite obvious and highly distinctive if such exposed lunar bedrock samples had been return to Earth. *Sadly, no such samples or even unique meteorites ever materialized from our NASA/Apollo era, that found our naked moon as instead so unusually reflective and UV, X- ray and gamma inert as well as hardly the least bit dusty, and what little crystal dry dust there was seemed to offer terrific surface tension and clumping for their footing and traction like no place else. Even taking the utmost conservative swag-estimate of 3.8e16 m3 worth of lose rock, debris and accumulated dust, is still suggesting an average surface depth of one km, which of course our Apollo era found no such indications, as though that moon is relatively new to us. *Of course, if that moon had created our Arctic ocean basin as of 11,712 years ago, would actually explain quite a bit. How’s that for a worthy topic of terraforming the innards of our naked moon that’s practically dust free and mostly solid as any rock according to our Apollo wizards?
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Terraforming the moon underground:
It’s all perfectly relative, because we can always get lots of helium
and even He3 (3He) from our moon, which might some day become viable considering the ongoing depletion of terrestrial helium. Of course any off-world resource of rare elements like helium is going to be spendy as hell, but if there’s an insufficient terrestrial resupply of such essential elements that’s in greater demand than ever, is what should make its cost a non-issue, just like the mutually perpetrated cold-war era and subsequent proxy wars plus whatever consequence of our military industrial complex and various Karma payback revenge apparently hasn’t been an issue for most of us, not even at having cost this world trillions per year and having terminated millions of lives, in great part because we simply could not manage to deal with common infrastructure issues and sustain our spendy global domination plus cloak and dagger wars at the same time. It has been well documented that some natural geothermal vents in India have been objectively quantified as giving off 20% helium (1e25 atoms of He/m3), and none of that considerable volume sticks around but for a few seconds per vertical meter after each geothermal vent belch. Most natural ground venting of helium is perhaps worth something less than 1 ppm/sec. However, even if the average all- inclusive leakage of all things natural plus artificially caused were only 10% of that or .1 ppm/m2/sec, is still 5.1e13 ppm/m3/sec, and don't ever forget there's roughly 5e25 atoms/m3 of standard surface air which makes that .1 ppm/m3/sec into being worth 5e18 atoms of helium escapement per surface cubic meter. 5e18 x 5.1e14 x 1.67e-27 = 42.6e5 kg/sec. As is each cubic meter of surface atmosphere supposedly contains 5.24 ppm He, which represents 2.67e20 atoms of helium that has to be continually replenished because of the extremely low mass or specific gravity of helium which never binds with anything, is also what makes it a rather buoyant or lofty element, and as others having specified that our planet would need roughly 7 times as much gravity in order to hold onto its helium. Even if this ongoing loss were given 1000 seconds in order to escape each vertical cubic meter, is going to represent that .1 ppm/m3 of natural plus artificial surface escapement is going to give an all- inclusive global loss of 4.26e3 kg/sec, which seems a far cry greater rate of loss than any wussy 50 grams/sec as specified by our mainstream status-quo science peers that’s getting published just about everywhere. I’ve certainly made my fair share of math mistakes in the past, and perhaps this is yet another mistaken conclusion, but I honestly don’t think so. If I’m way the hell off base, then why don’t our Big Energy cartels that you always support and even worship that supposedly know everything there is to know, bother to tell us otherwise? Perhaps our Big Energy buddies at BP should be telling us how little helium escapes from all of their hydrocarbon exploitations, as compared to Shell or others. Our planet has not been gaining atmospheric mass, even though humanity has been doing everything possible as to increasing its saturations of CO2 and NOx in addition to increasing water vapor plus many other artificial contributions (mostly bad stuff) along with venting hydrogen and helium as fast as we can manage. Perhaps initially our planet had 100+ bar worth of an atmospheric layer protecting everything, or nearly a hundred times more atmospheric mass to work with, but obviously that’s not the case anymore. Helium escapement (second to the easiest of elements to blow away) is also increased by way of solar heating and of course getting constantly excavated away from Earth by the solar wind which includes some of its own helium (CMEs offering as much as 10% He). Even our moon can't manage to hold onto its sodium, with an exospheric sodium cloud of 9r and a comet like tail of 900,0000 km, of which Earth passes directly through every time that moon gets directly aligned between us and our sun that's typically blowing at 300+ km/ sec, which can surge to 1000+ km/sec. There is always some influx of elements, including helium as contained within the space dust, meteorites and asteroids, but it's a fraction of what vapor tonnage is being lost to space. One of the many off-world benefits of TBMs excavating into the thick paramagnetic basalt and carbonado crust of our moon, will be the extraction of 2He and 3He in addition to obtaining good old O2 and various other elements including a little H2O. The hard part of this has to do with convincing our terrestrial oligarchs into allowing this future treasure trove of nearby element extractions to happen, before it’s too late. Of course, according to our Georgia Guidestones and adhering to their specified manifesto dogma of planet Earth accommodating a maximum of 500 million, extremely well educated and wealthy humans that a great deal of modern technology is capably taking care of, would pretty much eliminate any need of off-world exploitations. No doubt the reason why our FEMA and DHS needed those extra spare billions of hollow tipped bullets (perhaps by now we’re talking 15+ bullets for each and every man, woman and child on Earth, not to mention WMD capability that has gotten multifold capable of eliminating most every soul on Earth as well as wiping out most other biodiversity). Gee whiz, what sort of global Karma could possibly go wrong (this time)? Naturally, to most that manage to read this topic and its replies or additions and multiple revisions, our moon has absolutely nothing to do with exploiting the extremely nearby planet Venus, or so you might think. Unlike your mainstream box-limited self of keeping everything nicely social/political and faith-based failsafe, by not sticking your mostly white and/or rednecks anywhere near the obfuscation edge of any nondisclosures and taboos that would only get you and your extended family into a whole lot of mainstream status-quo trouble, is pretty much why we’re in the mess we’re in. Terraforming the innards of our moon is just another steppingstone, as providing a terrific outpost/gateway and oasis capable of housing billions of us, as well as for utilizing its L1 and L2 and eventually as being relocated within Earth L1 in order to directly benefit everyone else stuck on Earth, including salvaging most of the global environment that essentially needs to cool off before it’s too late. On Apr 11, 9:17*am, Brad Guth wrote: Pay no special attention to those hiding behind curtains and pretending as always being faith-based and/or politically correct, because it's their mostly public-funded and/or faith-based job to topic/author stalk and to otherwise FUD everything to death. *Hitler had the exact same “Paperclip” team of rusemasters and FUD-masters, as professional clowns working and/or manipulating the locals into a mainstream status-quo mindset, which unfortunately far too many bought into instead of taking any logical stance against their totally bat**** crazy peers. Of course this mainstream status-quo policy of obfuscation and denial is what brought us a mutually perpetrated cold-war era and the negative Karma likes of 911 (make that positive Karma if you are an oligarch of our military industrial complex), each of which wasted decades and costing us trillions of our hard earned dollars, as well as having systematically squandered all sorts of talent, expertise and resources that we'll never get back, and which force other nations to follow suit. Venus is pretty much as hot and nasty as we’ve all been indoctrinated about. *However, this not necessarily the case of each and every location, such as mountainous and polar area can be considerably cooler though still extremely hot by human standards that we’re accustomed to. *With applied physics and reasonable technology, the surface of Venus can be dealt with, at least robotically, and otherwise via composite rigid airships it can be further exploited while easily protecting the airship crew. *Of course you have to think both really big and perhaps even small in order to fully appreciate the potential of what exploiting such a nearby planet has to offer, because it’s the in-between that’s not easily accomplished if you can only think of terrestrial methods that get to deal with on Earth. Our physically dark and naked moon is just another metallicity treasure trove of valuable resources (including much clean energy), just sitting out there and causing us mostly grief and otherwise contributing very little terrestrial benefit, unless added IR, X-rays and gamma plus loads of tidal surging and increased seismic trauma is desirable. On Feb 18, 6:56*am, Brad Guth wrote: It's probably close to averaging a cozy 0 F (255 K) at no greater than 10 meters deep, and it shouldn't have any problems reaching 70 F (day or night) at 100 km deep or possibly as shallow as 10 km (depending on the core energy). *The R-factor of lunar regolith (lose basalt rock and loads of crystal dry dust that’s at minimum 10 meters deep) is none too shabby, and otherwise the geothermal conductance and/or heat transfer coefficient (aka geothermal gradient) of its paramagnetic basalt crust of 3.5 g/cm3 density shouldn't be significantly any different than here on Earth, except that our terrestrial basalt isn't nearly as paramagnetic or much less offering carbonado, and the core heat of Earth being 7000+ K as opposed to only 1000 K of our moon. Supposedly there is only a wee little bit of lunar granite to deal with, but the samples thus far are inconsistent in their composition. A new interpretation is that all-inclusively the geothermal outflux of Earth (including geothermal vents and volcanic contributions) is getting rid of roughly 128 mw/m2, whereas our moon is supposedly only getting rid of as little as 16 mw/m2 (an 8th as much). *http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geothermal_gradient *“Geothermal gradient is the rate of increasing temperature with respect to increasing depth in the Earth's interior.” The "Igneous Petrology" of our moon and Venus should each be unique and considerably different than Earth. “The composition of igneous rocks and minerals can be determined via a variety of methods of varying ease, cost, and complexity. The simplest method is observation of hand samples with the naked eye and/or with a hand lens. This can be used to gauge the general mineralogical composition of the rock, which gives an insight into the composition.” Unfortunately, the rocks returned from our moon were entirely similar to those of terrestrial rocks. *Of course there’s all sorts of actual paramagnetic basalt moon rock to be found on Earth, because there should be at least a thousand teratonnes of it, whereas naturally most of which ended up in oceans and otherwise as having meteor and obvious melt indications that are entirely quite different than local volcanic spewed basalts. “A more precise but still relatively inexpensive way to identify minerals (and thereby the bulk chemical composition of the rock) with a petrographic microscope. These microscopes have polarizing plates, filters, and a conoscopic lens that allow the user to measure a large number of crystallographic properties.” Contributor “Wretch Fossil” actually has a very good “petrographic microscope” and multiple resources plus talent of interpreting such to go along with it. *Sadly this technology and its expertise of interpreting is being ignored by those of authority that do not want outsiders having a public say about anything. *So, once again, it really doesn’t matter whatever level of modern applied technology and expertise we have to offer, because it’s only going to be topic/author stalked and systematically trashed by those of Usenet/newsgroup authority that have multiple mainstream issues at risk. TBMs cutting their tunnels into the interior of our moon should prove both interesting and rewarding in terms of extracting rare and valuable elements, not to mention creating the very cozy and safe habitat potential that’s opened up for multiple uses. *Unfortunately this method can not be applied on such a geodynamically active planet like Venus that has such a thin crust and way more primordial core energy outflux of perhaps 20.5 w/m2 as contributing way more geothermal energy than any other planet or moon has to offer, although older and cooler planets or any number of their moons (except for Io that’s averaging 2 w/m2) should be somewhat similar to terraforming the cozy interior of our moon. *http://www.mps.mpg.de/solar-system-s...etary_interior... *http://commercialspace.pbworks.com/f/Public+ILN.pdf *The likely two thirds (6.6e17~6.6e18 tonnes) worth of lose surface basalt rock and dust including whatever 4+ billion years worth of accumulated deposits, as remaining crystal dry on the naked surface of our physically dark moon (not including the other good third portion as having been dislodged and deposited on Earth) is a direct result of the thousands of significant impacts, and especially as a result of whatever created its South polar crater of 2500 km diameter, that which all by itself should have contributed a minimum of 3e17 m3 or possibly a maximum contribution of 1e18 m3 if including the planet sized impactor contributions. *Given the limited surface area of the moon as being 3.8e13 m2 doesn’t exactly allow all that much surface area for accommodating such volume of lose crater made fallout, and perhaps due to much of its own basalt metallicity making its density worth on average 3.5 tonnes/m3 unless offset by loads of accumulated carbon buckyballs. *In that kind of hard vacuum, there really shouldn’t be all that much porosity to any of its solidified basalt or carbonado. Liquefied basalt as returning fallout from such truly horrific impacts that should have extensively solidified and possibly fused upon contact with the relatively cool basalt surface, as such should have been quite obvious and highly distinctive if such exposed lunar bedrock samples had been return to Earth. *Sadly, no such samples or even unique meteorites ever materialized from our NASA/Apollo era, that found our naked moon as instead so unusually reflective and UV, X- ray and gamma inert as well as hardly the least bit dusty, and what little crystal dry dust there was seemed to offer terrific surface tension and clumping for their footing and traction like no place else. Even taking the utmost conservative swag-estimate of 3.8e16 m3 worth of lose rock, debris and accumulated dust, is still suggesting an average surface depth of one km, which of course our Apollo era found no such indications, as though that moon is relatively new to us. *Of course, if that moon had created our Arctic ocean basin as of 11,712 years ago, would actually explain quite a bit. How’s that for a worthy topic of terraforming the innards of our naked moon that’s practically dust free and mostly solid as any rock according to our Apollo wizards?
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April 24th 13, 05:20 PM
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Terraforming the moon underground:
On Apr 23, 11:24*am, Brad Guth wrote:
It’s all perfectly relative, because we can always get lots of helium and even He3 (3He) from our moon, which might some day become viable considering the ongoing depletion of terrestrial helium. *Of course any off-world resource of rare elements like helium is going to be spendy as hell, but if there’s an insufficient terrestrial resupply of such essential elements that’s in greater demand than ever, is what should make its cost a non-issue, just like the mutually perpetrated cold-war era and subsequent proxy wars plus whatever consequence of our military industrial complex and various Karma payback revenge apparently hasn’t been an issue for most of us, not even at having cost this world trillions per year and having terminated millions of lives, in great part because we simply could not manage to deal with common infrastructure issues and sustain our spendy global domination plus cloak and dagger wars at the same time. It has been well documented that some natural geothermal vents in India have been objectively quantified as giving off 20% helium (1e25 atoms of He/m3), and none of that considerable volume sticks around but for a few seconds per vertical meter after each geothermal vent belch. *Most natural ground venting of helium is perhaps worth something less than 1 ppm/sec. *However, even if the average all- inclusive leakage of all things natural plus artificially caused were only 10% of that or .1 ppm/m2/sec, is still 5.1e13 ppm/m3/sec, and don't ever forget there's roughly 5e25 atoms/m3 of standard surface air which makes that .1 ppm/m3/sec into being worth 5e18 atoms of helium escapement per surface cubic meter. 5e18 x 5.1e14 x 1.67e-27 = 42.6e5 kg/sec. As is each cubic meter of surface atmosphere supposedly contains 5.24 ppm He, which represents 2.67e20 atoms of helium that has to be continually replenished because of the extremely low mass or specific gravity of helium which never binds with anything, is also what makes it a rather buoyant or lofty element, and as others having specified that our planet would need roughly 7 times as much gravity in order to hold onto its helium. Even if this ongoing loss were given 1000 seconds in order to escape each vertical cubic meter, is going to represent that .1 ppm/m3 of natural plus artificial surface escapement is going to give an all- inclusive global loss of 4.26e3 kg/sec, which seems a far cry greater rate of loss than any wussy 50 grams/sec as specified by our mainstream status-quo science peers that’s getting published just about everywhere. I’ve certainly made my fair share of math mistakes in the past, and perhaps this is yet another mistaken conclusion, but I honestly don’t think so. *If I’m way the hell off base, then why don’t our Big Energy cartels that you always support and even worship that supposedly know everything there is to know, bother to tell us otherwise? Perhaps our Big Energy buddies at BP should be telling us how little helium escapes from all of their hydrocarbon exploitations, as compared to Shell or others. Our planet has not been gaining atmospheric mass, even though humanity has been doing everything possible as to increasing its saturations of CO2 and NOx in addition to increasing water vapor plus many other artificial contributions (mostly bad stuff) along with venting hydrogen and helium as fast as we can manage. *Perhaps initially our planet had 100+ bar worth of an atmospheric layer protecting everything, or nearly a hundred times more atmospheric mass to work with, but obviously that’s not the case anymore. Helium escapement (second to the easiest of elements to blow away) is also increased by way of solar heating and of course getting constantly excavated away from Earth by the solar wind which includes some of its own helium (CMEs offering as much as 10% He). Even our moon can't manage to hold onto its sodium, with an exospheric sodium cloud of 9r and a comet like tail of 900,0000 km, of which Earth passes directly through every time that moon gets directly aligned between us and our sun that's typically blowing at 300+ km/ sec, which can surge to 1000+ km/sec. There is always some influx of elements, including helium as contained within the space dust, meteorites and asteroids, but it's a fraction of what vapor tonnage is being lost to space. One of the many off-world benefits of TBMs excavating into the thick paramagnetic basalt and carbonado crust of our moon, will be the extraction of 2He and 3He in addition to obtaining good old O2 and various other elements including a little H2O. *The hard part of this has to do with convincing our terrestrial oligarchs into allowing this future treasure trove of nearby element extractions to happen, before it’s too late. Of course, according to our Georgia Guidestones and adhering to their specified manifesto dogma of planet Earth accommodating a maximum of 500 million, extremely well educated and wealthy humans that a great deal of modern technology is capably taking care of, would pretty much eliminate any need of off-world exploitations. *No doubt the reason why our FEMA and DHS needed those extra spare billions of hollow tipped bullets (perhaps by now we’re talking 15+ bullets for each and every man, woman and child on Earth, not to mention WMD capability that has gotten multifold capable of eliminating most every soul on Earth as well as wiping out most other biodiversity). *Gee whiz, what sort of global Karma could possibly go wrong (this time)? Naturally, to most that manage to read this topic and its replies or additions and multiple revisions, our moon has absolutely nothing to do with exploiting the extremely nearby planet Venus, or so you might think. *Unlike your mainstream box-limited self of keeping everything nicely social/political and faith-based failsafe, by not sticking your mostly white and/or rednecks anywhere near the obfuscation edge of any nondisclosures and taboos that would only get you and your extended family into a whole lot of mainstream status-quo trouble, is pretty much why we’re in the mess we’re in. Terraforming the innards of our moon is just another steppingstone, as providing a terrific outpost/gateway and oasis capable of housing billions of us, as well as for utilizing its L1 and L2 and eventually as being relocated within Earth L1 in order to directly benefit everyone else stuck on Earth, including salvaging most of the global environment that essentially needs to cool off before it’s too late. On Apr 11, 9:17*am, Brad Guth wrote: Pay no special attention to those hiding behind curtains and pretending as always being faith-based and/or politically correct, because it's their mostly public-funded and/or faith-based job to topic/author stalk and to otherwise FUD everything to death. *Hitler had the exact same “Paperclip” team of rusemasters and FUD-masters, as professional clowns working and/or manipulating the locals into a mainstream status-quo mindset, which unfortunately far too many bought into instead of taking any logical stance against their totally bat**** crazy peers. Of course this mainstream status-quo policy of obfuscation and denial is what brought us a mutually perpetrated cold-war era and the negative Karma likes of 911 (make that positive Karma if you are an oligarch of our military industrial complex), each of which wasted decades and costing us trillions of our hard earned dollars, as well as having systematically squandered all sorts of talent, expertise and resources that we'll never get back, and which force other nations to follow suit. Venus is pretty much as hot and nasty as we’ve all been indoctrinated about. *However, this not necessarily the case of each and every location, such as mountainous and polar area can be considerably cooler though still extremely hot by human standards that we’re accustomed to. *With applied physics and reasonable technology, the surface of Venus can be dealt with, at least robotically, and otherwise via composite rigid airships it can be further exploited while easily protecting the airship crew. *Of course you have to think both really big and perhaps even small in order to fully appreciate the potential of what exploiting such a nearby planet has to offer, because it’s the in-between that’s not easily accomplished if you can only think of terrestrial methods that get to deal with on Earth. Our physically dark and naked moon is just another metallicity treasure trove of valuable resources (including much clean energy), just sitting out there and causing us mostly grief and otherwise contributing very little terrestrial benefit, unless added IR, X-rays and gamma plus loads of tidal surging and increased seismic trauma is desirable. On Feb 18, 6:56*am, Brad Guth wrote: It's probably close to averaging a cozy 0 F (255 K) at no greater than 10 meters deep, and it shouldn't have any problems reaching 70 F (day or night) at 100 km deep or possibly as shallow as 10 km (depending on the core energy). *The R-factor of lunar regolith (lose basalt rock and loads of crystal dry dust that’s at minimum 10 meters deep) is none too shabby, and otherwise the geothermal conductance and/or heat transfer coefficient (aka geothermal gradient) of its paramagnetic basalt crust of 3.5 g/cm3 density shouldn't be significantly any different than here on Earth, except that our terrestrial basalt isn't nearly as paramagnetic or much less offering carbonado, and the core heat of Earth being 7000+ K as opposed to only 1000 K of our moon. Supposedly there is only a wee little bit of lunar granite to deal with, but the samples thus far are inconsistent in their composition. A new interpretation is that all-inclusively the geothermal outflux of Earth (including geothermal vents and volcanic contributions) is getting rid of roughly 128 mw/m2, whereas our moon is supposedly only getting rid of as little as 16 mw/m2 (an 8th as much). *http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geothermal_gradient *“Geothermal gradient is the rate of increasing temperature with respect to increasing depth in the Earth's interior.” The "Igneous Petrology" of our moon and Venus should each be unique and considerably different than Earth. “The composition of igneous rocks and minerals can be determined via a variety of methods of varying ease, cost, and complexity. The simplest method is observation of hand samples with the naked eye and/or with a hand lens. This can be used to gauge the general mineralogical composition of the rock, which gives an insight into the composition.” Unfortunately, the rocks returned from our moon were entirely similar to those of terrestrial rocks. *Of course there’s all sorts of actual paramagnetic basalt moon rock to be found on Earth, because there should be at least a thousand teratonnes of it, whereas naturally most of which ended up in oceans and otherwise as having meteor and obvious melt indications that are entirely quite different than local volcanic spewed basalts. “A more precise but still relatively inexpensive way to identify minerals (and thereby the bulk chemical composition of the rock) with a petrographic microscope. These microscopes have polarizing plates, filters, and a conoscopic lens that allow the user to measure a large number of crystallographic properties.” Contributor “Wretch Fossil” actually has a very good “petrographic microscope” and multiple resources plus talent of interpreting such to go along with it. *Sadly this technology and its expertise of interpreting is being ignored by those of authority that do not want outsiders having a public say about anything. *So, once again, it really doesn’t matter whatever level of modern applied technology and expertise we have to offer, because it’s only going to be topic/author stalked and systematically trashed by those of Usenet/newsgroup authority that have multiple mainstream issues at risk. TBMs cutting their tunnels into the interior of our moon should prove both interesting and rewarding in terms of extracting rare and valuable elements, not to mention creating the very cozy and safe habitat potential that’s opened up for multiple uses. *Unfortunately this method can not be applied on such a geodynamically active planet like Venus that has such a thin crust and way more primordial core energy outflux of perhaps 20.5 w/m2 as contributing way more geothermal energy than any other planet or moon has to offer, although older and cooler planets or any number of their moons (except for Io that’s averaging 2 w/m2) should be somewhat similar to terraforming the cozy interior of our moon. *http://www.mps.mpg.de/solar-system-s...etary_interior... *http://commercialspace.pbworks.com/f/Public+ILN.pdf *The likely two thirds (6.6e17~6.6e18 tonnes) worth of lose surface basalt rock and dust including whatever 4+ billion years worth of accumulated deposits, as remaining crystal dry on the naked surface of our physically dark moon (not including the other good third portion as having been dislodged and deposited on Earth) is a direct result of the thousands of significant impacts, and especially as a result of whatever created its South polar crater of 2500 km diameter, that which all by itself should have contributed a minimum of 3e17 m3 or possibly a maximum contribution of 1e18 m3 if including the planet sized impactor contributions. *Given the limited surface area of the moon as being 3.8e13 m2 doesn’t exactly allow all that much surface area for accommodating such volume of lose crater made fallout, and perhaps due to much of its own basalt metallicity making its density worth on average 3.5 tonnes/m3 unless offset by loads of accumulated carbon buckyballs. *In that kind of hard vacuum, there really shouldn’t be all that much porosity to any of its solidified basalt or carbonado. Liquefied basalt as returning fallout from such truly horrific impacts that should have extensively solidified and possibly fused upon contact with the relatively cool basalt surface, as such should have been quite obvious and highly distinctive if such exposed lunar bedrock samples had been return to Earth. *Sadly, no such samples or even unique meteorites ever materialized from our NASA/Apollo era, that found our naked moon as instead so unusually reflective and UV, X- ray and gamma inert as well as hardly the least bit dusty, and what little crystal dry dust there was seemed to offer terrific surface tension and clumping for their footing and traction like no place else. Even taking the utmost conservative swag-estimate of 3.8e16 m3 worth of lose rock, debris and accumulated dust, is still suggesting an average surface depth of one km, which of course our Apollo era found no such indications, as though that moon is relatively new to us. *Of course, if that moon had created our Arctic ocean basin as of 11,712 years ago, would actually explain quite a bit. How’s that for a worthy topic of terraforming the innards of our naked moon that’s practically dust free and mostly solid as any rock according to our Apollo wizards? It's getting time for a new and improved moon topic, of terraforming its innards to suit future generations.
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April 24th 13, 09:55 PM
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Terraforming the moon underground:
It's getting about time for a new and improved moon topic, of
terraforming its innards to suit future generations. Naturally the usual intellectual terrorist gauntlet of naysayers and mainstream FUD-masters (mostly Semites and pretend-Atheists, because they have by far the most to lose) will follow suit. On Apr 23, 11:24*am, Brad Guth wrote: It’s all perfectly relative, because we can always get lots of helium and even He3 (3He) from our moon, which might some day become viable considering the ongoing depletion of terrestrial helium. *Of course any off-world resource of rare elements like helium is going to be spendy as hell, but if there’s an insufficient terrestrial resupply of such essential elements that’s in greater demand than ever, is what should make its cost a non-issue, just like the mutually perpetrated cold-war era and subsequent proxy wars plus whatever consequence of our military industrial complex and various Karma payback revenge apparently hasn’t been an issue for most of us, not even at having cost this world trillions per year and having terminated millions of lives, in great part because we simply could not manage to deal with common infrastructure issues and sustain our spendy global domination plus cloak and dagger wars at the same time. It has been well documented that some natural geothermal vents in India have been objectively quantified as giving off 20% helium (1e25 atoms of He/m3), and none of that considerable volume sticks around but for a few seconds per vertical meter after each geothermal vent belch. *Most natural ground venting of helium is perhaps worth something less than 1 ppm/sec. *However, even if the average all- inclusive leakage of all things natural plus artificially caused were only 10% of that or .1 ppm/m2/sec, is still 5.1e13 ppm/m3/sec, and don't ever forget there's roughly 5e25 atoms/m3 of standard surface air which makes that .1 ppm/m3/sec into being worth 5e18 atoms of helium escapement per surface cubic meter. 5e18 x 5.1e14 x 1.67e-27 = 42.6e5 kg/sec. As is each cubic meter of surface atmosphere supposedly contains 5.24 ppm He, which represents 2.67e20 atoms of helium that has to be continually replenished because of the extremely low mass or specific gravity of helium which never binds with anything, is also what makes it a rather buoyant or lofty element, and as others having specified that our planet would need roughly 7 times as much gravity in order to hold onto its helium. Even if this ongoing loss were given 1000 seconds in order to escape each vertical cubic meter, is going to represent that .1 ppm/m3 of natural plus artificial surface escapement is going to give an all- inclusive global loss of 4.26e3 kg/sec, which seems a far cry greater rate of loss than any wussy 50 grams/sec as specified by our mainstream status-quo science peers that’s getting published just about everywhere. I’ve certainly made my fair share of math mistakes in the past, and perhaps this is yet another mistaken conclusion, but I honestly don’t think so. *If I’m way the hell off base, then why don’t our Big Energy cartels that you always support and even worship that supposedly know everything there is to know, bother to tell us otherwise? Perhaps our Big Energy buddies at BP should be telling us how little helium escapes from all of their hydrocarbon exploitations, as compared to Shell or others. Our planet has not been gaining atmospheric mass, even though humanity has been doing everything possible as to increasing its saturations of CO2 and NOx in addition to increasing water vapor plus many other artificial contributions (mostly bad stuff) along with venting hydrogen and helium as fast as we can manage. *Perhaps initially our planet had 100+ bar worth of an atmospheric layer protecting everything, or nearly a hundred times more atmospheric mass to work with, but obviously that’s not the case anymore. Helium escapement (second to the easiest of elements to blow away) is also increased by way of solar heating and of course getting constantly excavated away from Earth by the solar wind which includes some of its own helium (CMEs offering as much as 10% He). Even our moon can't manage to hold onto its sodium, with an exospheric sodium cloud of 9r and a comet like tail of 900,0000 km, of which Earth passes directly through every time that moon gets directly aligned between us and our sun that's typically blowing at 300+ km/ sec, which can surge to 1000+ km/sec. There is always some influx of elements, including helium as contained within the space dust, meteorites and asteroids, but it's a fraction of what vapor tonnage is being lost to space. One of the many off-world benefits of TBMs excavating into the thick paramagnetic basalt and carbonado crust of our moon, will be the extraction of 2He and 3He in addition to obtaining good old O2 and various other elements including a little H2O. *The hard part of this has to do with convincing our terrestrial oligarchs into allowing this future treasure trove of nearby element extractions to happen, before it’s too late. Of course, according to our Georgia Guidestones and adhering to their specified manifesto dogma of planet Earth accommodating a maximum of 500 million, extremely well educated and wealthy humans that a great deal of modern technology is capably taking care of, would pretty much eliminate any need of off-world exploitations. *No doubt the reason why our FEMA and DHS needed those extra spare billions of hollow tipped bullets (perhaps by now we’re talking 15+ bullets for each and every man, woman and child on Earth, not to mention WMD capability that has gotten multifold capable of eliminating most every soul on Earth as well as wiping out most other biodiversity). *Gee whiz, what sort of global Karma could possibly go wrong (this time)? Naturally, to most that manage to read this topic and its replies or additions and multiple revisions, our moon has absolutely nothing to do with exploiting the extremely nearby planet Venus, or so you might think. *Unlike your mainstream box-limited self of keeping everything nicely social/political and faith-based failsafe, by not sticking your mostly white and/or rednecks anywhere near the obfuscation edge of any nondisclosures and taboos that would only get you and your extended family into a whole lot of mainstream status-quo trouble, is pretty much why we’re in the mess we’re in. Terraforming the innards of our moon is just another steppingstone, as providing a terrific outpost/gateway and oasis capable of housing billions of us, as well as for utilizing its L1 and L2 and eventually as being relocated within Earth L1 in order to directly benefit everyone else stuck on Earth, including salvaging most of the global environment that essentially needs to cool off before it’s too late. On Apr 11, 9:17*am, Brad Guth wrote: Pay no special attention to those hiding behind curtains and pretending as always being faith-based and/or politically correct, because it's their mostly public-funded and/or faith-based job to topic/author stalk and to otherwise FUD everything to death. *Hitler had the exact same “Paperclip” team of rusemasters and FUD-masters, as professional clowns working and/or manipulating the locals into a mainstream status-quo mindset, which unfortunately far too many bought into instead of taking any logical stance against their totally bat**** crazy peers. Of course this mainstream status-quo policy of obfuscation and denial is what brought us a mutually perpetrated cold-war era and the negative Karma likes of 911 (make that positive Karma if you are an oligarch of our military industrial complex), each of which wasted decades and costing us trillions of our hard earned dollars, as well as having systematically squandered all sorts of talent, expertise and resources that we'll never get back, and which force other nations to follow suit. Venus is pretty much as hot and nasty as we’ve all been indoctrinated about. *However, this not necessarily the case of each and every location, such as mountainous and polar area can be considerably cooler though still extremely hot by human standards that we’re accustomed to. *With applied physics and reasonable technology, the surface of Venus can be dealt with, at least robotically, and otherwise via composite rigid airships it can be further exploited while easily protecting the airship crew. *Of course you have to think both really big and perhaps even small in order to fully appreciate the potential of what exploiting such a nearby planet has to offer, because it’s the in-between that’s not easily accomplished if you can only think of terrestrial methods that get to deal with on Earth. Our physically dark and naked moon is just another metallicity treasure trove of valuable resources (including much clean energy), just sitting out there and causing us mostly grief and otherwise contributing very little terrestrial benefit, unless added IR, X-rays and gamma plus loads of tidal surging and increased seismic trauma is desirable. On Feb 18, 6:56*am, Brad Guth wrote: It's probably close to averaging a cozy 0 F (255 K) at no greater than 10 meters deep, and it shouldn't have any problems reaching 70 F (day or night) at 100 km deep or possibly as shallow as 10 km (depending on the core energy). *The R-factor of lunar regolith (lose basalt rock and loads of crystal dry dust that’s at minimum 10 meters deep) is none too shabby, and otherwise the geothermal conductance and/or heat transfer coefficient (aka geothermal gradient) of its paramagnetic basalt crust of 3.5 g/cm3 density shouldn't be significantly any different than here on Earth, except that our terrestrial basalt isn't nearly as paramagnetic or much less offering carbonado, and the core heat of Earth being 7000+ K as opposed to only 1000 K of our moon. Supposedly there is only a wee little bit of lunar granite to deal with, but the samples thus far are inconsistent in their composition. A new interpretation is that all-inclusively the geothermal outflux of Earth (including geothermal vents and volcanic contributions) is getting rid of roughly 128 mw/m2, whereas our moon is supposedly only getting rid of as little as 16 mw/m2 (an 8th as much). *http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geothermal_gradient *“Geothermal gradient is the rate of increasing temperature with respect to increasing depth in the Earth's interior.” The "Igneous Petrology" of our moon and Venus should each be unique and considerably different than Earth. “The composition of igneous rocks and minerals can be determined via a variety of methods of varying ease, cost, and complexity. The simplest method is observation of hand samples with the naked eye and/or with a hand lens. This can be used to gauge the general mineralogical composition of the rock, which gives an insight into the composition.” Unfortunately, the rocks returned from our moon were entirely similar to those of terrestrial rocks. *Of course there’s all sorts of actual paramagnetic basalt moon rock to be found on Earth, because there should be at least a thousand teratonnes of it, whereas naturally most of which ended up in oceans and otherwise as having meteor and obvious melt indications that are entirely quite different than local volcanic spewed basalts. “A more precise but still relatively inexpensive way to identify minerals (and thereby the bulk chemical composition of the rock) with a petrographic microscope. These microscopes have polarizing plates, filters, and a conoscopic lens that allow the user to measure a large number of crystallographic properties.” Contributor “Wretch Fossil” actually has a very good “petrographic microscope” and multiple resources plus talent of interpreting such to go along with it. *Sadly this technology and its expertise of interpreting is being ignored by those of authority that do not want outsiders having a public say about anything. *So, once again, it really doesn’t matter whatever level of modern applied technology and expertise we have to offer, because it’s only going to be topic/author stalked and systematically trashed by those of Usenet/newsgroup authority that have multiple mainstream issues at risk. TBMs cutting their tunnels into the interior of our moon should prove both interesting and rewarding in terms of extracting rare and valuable elements, not to mention creating the very cozy and safe habitat potential that’s opened up for multiple uses. *Unfortunately this method can not be applied on such a geodynamically active planet like Venus that has such a thin crust and way more primordial core energy outflux of perhaps 20.5 w/m2 as contributing way more geothermal energy than any other planet or moon has to offer, although older and cooler planets or any number of their moons (except for Io that’s averaging 2 w/m2) should be somewhat similar to terraforming the cozy interior of our moon. *http://www.mps.mpg.de/solar-system-s...etary_interior... *http://commercialspace.pbworks.com/f/Public+ILN.pdf *The likely two thirds (6.6e17~6.6e18 tonnes) worth of lose surface basalt rock and dust including whatever 4+ billion years worth of accumulated deposits, as remaining crystal dry on the naked surface of our physically dark moon (not including the other good third portion as having been dislodged and deposited on Earth) is a direct result of the thousands of significant impacts, and especially as a result of whatever created its South polar crater of 2500 km diameter, that which all by itself should have contributed a minimum of 3e17 m3 or possibly a maximum contribution of 1e18 m3 if including the planet sized impactor contributions. *Given the limited surface area of the moon as being 3.8e13 m2 doesn’t exactly allow all that much surface area for accommodating such volume of lose crater made fallout, and perhaps due to much of its own basalt metallicity making its density worth on average 3.5 tonnes/m3 unless offset by loads of accumulated carbon buckyballs. *In that kind of hard vacuum, there really shouldn’t be all that much porosity to any of its solidified basalt or carbonado. Liquefied basalt as returning fallout from such truly horrific impacts that should have extensively solidified and possibly fused upon contact with the relatively cool basalt surface, as such should have been quite obvious and highly distinctive if such exposed lunar bedrock samples had been return to Earth. *Sadly, no such samples or even unique meteorites ever materialized from our NASA/Apollo era, that found our naked moon as instead so unusually reflective and UV, X- ray and gamma inert as well as hardly the least bit dusty, and what little crystal dry dust there was seemed to offer terrific surface tension and clumping for their footing and traction like no place else. Even taking the utmost conservative swag-estimate of 3.8e16 m3 worth of lose rock, debris and accumulated dust, is still suggesting an average surface depth of one km, which of course our Apollo era found no such indications, as though that moon is relatively new to us. *Of course, if that moon had created our Arctic ocean basin as of 11,712 years ago, would actually explain quite a bit. How’s that for a worthy topic of terraforming the innards of our naked moon that’s practically dust free and mostly solid as any rock according to our Apollo wizards?
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April 26th 13, 07:41 PM
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Terraforming the moon underground:
Metallicity isn’t just about the innards of a given star, because
percentage-wise those stars of extremely ionized plasma actually have very little metal to spare until the extreme fusion process creates a carbon white dwarf or denser remainder. However, planets and moons are not the least bit metallicity deficient, because hardly if any of their mass is plasma or much less fusion worthy. As recently reported, the core of mother Earth is roughly a thousand degrees hotter than previously thought, and not that anyone here gives a hoot or cares a tinkers damn about the significance of our core having more thorium and uranium than previously thought, but at least this revised core assessment means we should have more of a helium cache and resupply than previously thought, and the way things are going, we’ll need every bit of it. All things considered, it’s all perfectly relative (as George Carlin said; Earth will be here long after we’re gone), because when necessary we can always get lots of future helium and even extract He3 (3He) from our moon, which might some day become viable considering the ongoing depletion and the artificially inflated cost of terrestrial helium as literally going through the roof. Of course any off-world resource of rare elements like helium is going to be spendy as hell, but if there’s an insufficient terrestrial resupply of such essential elements that’s in greater demand than ever, is what should make its future cost a non-issue, just like the mutually perpetrated cold-war era and subsequent proxy wars plus whatever consequence of our military industrial complex and various Karma payback revenge apparently hasn’t been an issue of cost for most of us, not even at having cost this world trillions per year and having terminated millions of lives, in great part because we simply could not manage to otherwise deal with upgrading common infrastructure issues and sustain our spendy global domination plus cloak and dagger wars at the same time. So obviously whatever cost is not a factor once having compared this to the ongoing cost of what our mainstream status-quo seem to accept and even promote whenever ethnicity and the ever increasing wealth and authority disparity seems a whole lot more important, at least if you happen to be a Rothschild oligarch that has never worked at any honest job in their life. The atmospheric escape of helium simply isn’t limited as to the mainstream reported and K-12 textbook published notion of 50 grams/ sec, at least not as of the last few hundred years of us exploiting every accessible pool or deposit of hydrocarbons which always includes an unbound component of helium provided from a million holes as having been punched into Earth, along with nature keeping up with its fair share of sustaining the 5.24 ppm saturation which also doesn’t stick around for long after the source is either depleted, plugged or especially once tapped out, because the innards of Earth is supposedly limited as to creating just 3000 tonnes/year, even though its worth could now be revised upwards to suggest as much as 30,000 tonnes/year, which still may not be sufficient as long as there’s no apparent recycling efforts and the uneducated public is willing to pay and/or getting taxed upon science and technology having to pay more than $1000/m3 or $176/oz. It has been well documented that some natural geothermal vents in India have been objectively quantified as giving off 20% helium (1e25 atoms of 2He/m3 or at least 1e24 atoms if all other vapors are mostly those of those heavier than nitrogen), plus we always have more than a dozen active volcanic eruptions, and per se none of that considerable volume of helium sticks around but for a few seconds per vertical meter after each geothermal vent/belch because its vertical migration has been objectively quantified. Otherwise most natural ground venting of helium is perhaps worth something less than 1 ppm/sec. However, even if the all-inclusive average leakage of all things natural plus artificially caused were limited as to only 10% of that by providing only 0.1 ppm/m2/sec, is still a global surface exit volume of 5.1e13 ppm/m3/sec, and don't ever forget there's roughly 5e25 atoms/m3 of standard surface air which makes that conservative .1 ppm/m3/sec into being worth 5e18 atoms of helium escapement per each and every surface cubic meter of surface atmosphere. 5e18 x 5.1e14 x 1.67e-27 = 42.6e5 kg/sec. As is each cubic meter of surface atmosphere supposedly contains 5.24 ppm He, which represents 2.67e20 atoms of helium/m3 that has to be continually replenished, because of the extremely low mass or specific gravity of helium which never binds with anything as it unavoidably floats and drifts upwards because of its minimal molecular mass, is what also makes it a rather buoyant or lofty element that’s never going to hold whatever vertical position upon release nor much less migrate itself downward on its own, as others having specified that our planet would need roughly 7 times as much gravity in order to hold onto its helium. Even if this ongoing molecular loss of 2He were given 1000 seconds in order to escape each vertical cubic meter, is going to represent that . 1 ppm/m3 of natural plus artificial surface escapement is going to give us an all-inclusive global loss of 4.26e3 kg/sec(4.26 tonnes/ sec), which seems a far cry greater rate of loss than any wussy 50 grams/sec as specified by our mainstream status-quo science peers that’s always getting their purely subjective estimate of global helium loss published just about everywhere. I’ve certainly made my fair share of math mistakes in the past, and perhaps this is yet another mistaken conclusion, but I honestly don’t think so. If I’m way the hell off base, then why don’t our Big Energy cartels that most of you have supported and even worship, as supposedly knowing everything there is to know, should bother to tell us otherwise? Since multiple public funded Earth science missions like OCO have been foiled, perhaps our Big Energy buddies at BP are the ones that should be telling us exactly how little helium escapes from all of their hydrocarbon exploitations and refineries, as compared to Jamnagar, PDVSA, ExxonMobil, Shell or others. Our planet simply has not been gaining atmospheric mass, even though humanity has been doing everything possible as to increasing its saturations of CO2 and NOx in addition to increasing water vapor plus loads of acidic soot and many other artificial contributions (mostly of bad or toxic stuff) along with our having been venting hydrogen and helium as fast as we can manage. Perhaps initially our planet had 100 bar (5.1e20 kg) worth of an atmospheric layer protecting everything, or nearly a hundred times more atmospheric mass to work with, but obviously that’s not the case anymore with an atmospheric mass of only 5.1e18 kg (10 tonnes/m2). Helium escapement (second to the easiest of elements to blow away) is further increased by way of solar heating and of course getting constantly excavated away from Earth by the solar wind which includes some of its own helium (CMEs offering as much as 10% He and the average solar wind supposedly offers 4%), none of which sticks with our planet other than temporarily lingering within the exosphere because, most of the solar wind is fended off by the magnetosphere. Even our moon can't manage to hold onto its ionized sodium (23 times heavier than helium), with an exospheric ionized sodium cloud of 9r and a comet like tail of 900,0000 km, of which Earth passes directly through every time that moon gets directly aligned between us and our sun that's typically blowing at 300 km/sec, which can surge to 1000+ km/sec. Anyone care to give us your swag as to how much ionized sodium/sec is extracted from and leaving our moon? No doubt there’s another treasure trove of lithium within our moon, not to mention those heavy elements besides iron and titanium plus thorium and uranium and perhaps even some cobalt which should help to explain the gamma our naked moon has to offer. Of course, if there’s heavy elements would also represent that platinum and gold shouldn’t be excluded. There is always some influx of elements, including helium as contained within the space dust, meteorites and asteroids, but at best it's a fraction of what vapor tonnage of our terrestrial hydrogen and helium is being lost to space. One of the many off-world benefits of TBMs excavating into the thick paramagnetic basalt and carbonado crust of our moon, will be the extraction of 2He and 3He in addition to obtaining volumes of good old O2 and various other elements including a little H2O from vaporizing its paramagnetic basalt. The hard part of all this has to do with convincing our terrestrial oligarchs into allowing this future treasure trove of nearby element extractions to happen, before it’s too late. Of course, according to our Georgia Guidestones and if adhering to their specified manifesto dogma of planet Earth accommodating a maximum of only 500 million humans, of extremely well educated and wealthy humans that a great deal of modern technology is capably taking care of, would pretty much eliminate any need of future off- world exploitations. No doubt the reason why our FEMA and DHS needed those extra spare billions of hollow tipped bullets (perhaps by now we’re talking 15+ bullets for each and every man, woman and child on Earth, not to mention our combined WMD capability that has gotten multifold capable of eliminating most every soul on Earth as well as wiping out most other biodiversity). Gee whiz, what sort of global Karma could possibly go wrong? (this time) Naturally, to most that manage to read through this revised topic and its, our moon has absolutely nothing to do with exploiting the extremely nearby planet Venus, or so you might think. Unlike your mainstream cozy box-limited self of keeping everything nicely social/ political and faith-based correct and thereby failsafe, by not sticking your mostly white and/or rednecks anywhere near the obfuscation edge of any possible nondisclosures and taboos that would only get you and your extended family into a whole lot of mainstream status-quo trouble, is pretty much why we’re in the doom and gloom sort of mess we’re in. Terraforming the innards of our moon is just another logical steppingstone, as providing a terrific outpost/gateway and very safe oasis capable of housing billions of us, as well as for utilizing its L1 and L2 plus eventually as being relocated within Earth L1 in order to directly benefit everyone else stuck on Earth, including salvaging most of the global environment that essentially needs an opportunity to cool off before it’s too late. There’s actually 10+ good reasons for every bad notion you can think of, but when mainstream naysayism, science obfuscation and their denial of being in denial has closed all the doors, is what makes all of this a whole lot harder than it needs to be. We could also learn a lot about atmospheric and geological physics from exploiting the extremely nearby planet Venus that has lots of just about everything to offer, including at least one set of weird geometrical formations offering a very rational infrastructure community like setting. But of course our NASA and their associates of closely protected insiders are having none of this, no matters what the consequences. Obviously our resident FUD-masters of Usenet/newsgroups (typically devout faith-based types, including those of pretend-Atheists that merely act/react as though Semitic) adamantly oppose any such usage or exploitation of our moon, regardless of the consequences and/or Karma of just sitting on our butts and doing nothing positive nor constructive. In fact, it seems only the most faith-based types object as to any notions of humans ever leaving Earth, and yet they each want nothing short of global domination in order to prove their version of everything is all that matters. So, we should only expect this global situation as going from bad to worse, as long as we allow only the upper caste of oligarchs that are never elected nor appointed, to be calling all the shots, as well as otherwise whenever possible taking all the credits for anything good while in denial about having anything to do with whatever bad stuff has taken place because bad things are supposedly never their fault. Be my guest and apply your very own photographic enlargement software, as to viewing this one small but rather interesting mountainous area of Venus, using your independent deductive expertise as to enlarge or magnify this extensively mountainous terrain of Venus that I’ve focused upon, really shouldn’t be asking too much. Most of modern PhotoZoom and numerous other photographic software variations tend to accomplish this enlargement process automatically (including iPhone and Safari image zooming), although some extra applied filtering and thereby image enhancing for dynamic range compensations (aka contrast) can further improve upon the end result (no direct pixel modifications should ever be necessary, because it’s all a derivative from the original Magellan radar imaging of 36 confirming radar scans/pixel, that can always be 100% verified). “GuthVenus” 1:1, plus 10x resample/enlargement of the area in question: https://picasaweb.google.com/1027362...18595926178146 http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hi...c115s095_1.gif https://picasaweb.google.com/1027362...8634/BradGuth# http://translate.google.com/# Brad Guth, Brad_Guth, Brad.Guth, BradGuth, BG, Guth Usenet/”Guth Venus”, GuthVenus On Apr 11, 9:17*am, Brad Guth wrote: Pay no special attention to those hiding behind curtains and pretending as always being faith-based and/or politically correct, because it's their mostly public-funded and/or faith-based job to topic/author stalk and to otherwise FUD everything to death. *Hitler had the exact same “Paperclip” team of rusemasters and FUD-masters, as professional clowns working and/or manipulating the locals into a mainstream status-quo mindset, which unfortunately far too many bought into instead of taking any logical stance against their totally bat**** crazy peers. Of course this mainstream status-quo policy of obfuscation and denial is what brought us a mutually perpetrated cold-war era and the negative Karma likes of 911 (make that positive Karma if you are an oligarch of our military industrial complex), each of which wasted decades and costing us trillions of our hard earned dollars, as well as having systematically squandered all sorts of talent, expertise and resources that we'll never get back, and which force other nations to follow suit. Venus is pretty much as hot and nasty as we’ve all been indoctrinated about. *However, this not necessarily the case of each and every location, such as mountainous and polar area can be considerably cooler though still extremely hot by human standards that we’re accustomed to. *With applied physics and reasonable technology, the surface of Venus can be dealt with, at least robotically, and otherwise via composite rigid airships it can be further exploited while easily protecting the airship crew. *Of course you have to think both really big and perhaps even small in order to fully appreciate the potential of what exploiting such a nearby planet has to offer, because it’s the in-between that’s not easily accomplished if you can only think of terrestrial methods that get to deal with on Earth. Our physically dark and naked moon is just another metallicity treasure trove of valuable resources (including much clean energy), just sitting out there and causing us mostly grief and otherwise contributing very little terrestrial benefit, unless added IR, X-rays and gamma plus loads of tidal surging and increased seismic trauma is desirable. On Feb 18, 6:56*am, Brad Guth wrote: It's probably close to averaging a cozy 0 F (255 K) at no greater than 10 meters deep, and it shouldn't have any problems reaching 70 F (day or night) at 100 km deep or possibly as shallow as 10 km (depending on the core energy). *The R-factor of lunar regolith (lose basalt rock and loads of crystal dry dust that’s at minimum 10 meters deep) is none too shabby, and otherwise the geothermal conductance and/or heat transfer coefficient (aka geothermal gradient) of its paramagnetic basalt crust of 3.5 g/cm3 density shouldn't be significantly any different than here on Earth, except that our terrestrial basalt isn't nearly as paramagnetic or much less offering carbonado, and the core heat of Earth being 7000+ K as opposed to only 1000 K of our moon. Supposedly there is only a wee little bit of lunar granite to deal with, but the samples thus far are inconsistent in their composition. A new interpretation is that all-inclusively the geothermal outflux of Earth (including geothermal vents and volcanic contributions) is getting rid of roughly 128 mw/m2, whereas our moon is supposedly only getting rid of as little as 16 mw/m2 (an 8th as much). *http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geothermal_gradient *“Geothermal gradient is the rate of increasing temperature with respect to increasing depth in the Earth's interior.” The "Igneous Petrology" of our moon and Venus should each be unique and considerably different than Earth. “The composition of igneous rocks and minerals can be determined via a variety of methods of varying ease, cost, and complexity. The simplest method is observation of hand samples with the naked eye and/or with a hand lens. This can be used to gauge the general mineralogical composition of the rock, which gives an insight into the composition.” Unfortunately, the rocks returned from our moon were entirely similar to those of terrestrial rocks. *Of course there’s all sorts of actual paramagnetic basalt moon rock to be found on Earth, because there should be at least a thousand teratonnes of it, whereas naturally most of which ended up in oceans and otherwise as having meteor and obvious melt indications that are entirely quite different than local volcanic spewed basalts. “A more precise but still relatively inexpensive way to identify minerals (and thereby the bulk chemical composition of the rock) with a petrographic microscope. These microscopes have polarizing plates, filters, and a conoscopic lens that allow the user to measure a large number of crystallographic properties.” Contributor “Wretch Fossil” actually has a very good “petrographic microscope” and multiple resources plus talent of interpreting such to go along with it. *Sadly this technology and its expertise of interpreting is being ignored by those of authority that do not want outsiders having a public say about anything. *So, once again, it really doesn’t matter whatever level of modern applied technology and expertise we have to offer, because it’s only going to be topic/author stalked and systematically trashed by those of Usenet/newsgroup authority that have multiple mainstream issues at risk. TBMs cutting their tunnels into the interior of our moon should prove both interesting and rewarding in terms of extracting rare and valuable elements, not to mention creating the very cozy and safe habitat potential that’s opened up for multiple uses. *Unfortunately this method can not be applied on such a geodynamically active planet like Venus that has such a thin crust and way more primordial core energy outflux of perhaps 20.5 w/m2 as contributing way more geothermal energy than any other planet or moon has to offer, although older and cooler planets or any number of their moons (except for Io that’s averaging 2 w/m2) should be somewhat similar to terraforming the cozy interior of our moon. *http://www.mps.mpg.de/solar-system-s...etary_interior... *http://commercialspace.pbworks.com/f/Public+ILN.pdf *The likely two thirds (6.6e17~6.6e18 tonnes) worth of lose surface basalt rock and dust including whatever 4+ billion years worth of accumulated deposits, as remaining crystal dry on the naked surface of our physically dark moon (not including the other good third portion as having been dislodged and deposited on Earth) is a direct result of the thousands of significant impacts, and especially as a result of whatever created its South polar crater of 2500 km diameter, that which all by itself should have contributed a minimum of 3e17 m3 or possibly a maximum contribution of 1e18 m3 if including the planet sized impactor contributions. *Given the limited surface area of the moon as being 3.8e13 m2 doesn’t exactly allow all that much surface area for accommodating such volume of lose crater made fallout, and perhaps due to much of its own basalt metallicity making its density worth on average 3.5 tonnes/m3 unless offset by loads of accumulated carbon buckyballs. *In that kind of hard vacuum, there really shouldn’t be all that much porosity to any of its solidified basalt or carbonado. Liquefied basalt as returning fallout from such truly horrific impacts that should have extensively solidified and possibly fused upon contact with the relatively cool basalt surface, as such should have been quite obvious and highly distinctive if such exposed lunar bedrock samples had been return to Earth. *Sadly, no such samples or even unique meteorites ever materialized from our NASA/Apollo era, that found our naked moon as instead so unusually reflective and UV, X- ray and gamma inert as well as hardly the least bit dusty, and what little crystal dry dust there was seemed to offer terrific surface tension and clumping for their footing and traction like no place else. Even taking the utmost conservative swag-estimate of 3.8e16 m3 worth of lose rock, debris and accumulated dust, is still suggesting an average surface depth of one km, which of course our Apollo era found no such indications, as though that moon is relatively new to us. *Of course, if that moon had created our Arctic ocean basin as of 11,712 years ago, would actually explain quite a bit. How’s that for a worthy topic of terraforming the innards of our naked moon that’s practically dust free and mostly solid as any rock according to our Apollo wizards?
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Terraforming the moon underground:
What elements shouldn't the moon have? (same question for Venus)
On Apr 26, 11:41*am, Brad Guth wrote: Metallicity isn’t just about the innards of a given star, because percentage-wise those stars of extremely ionized plasma actually have very little metal to spare until the extreme fusion process creates a carbon white dwarf or denser remainder. *However, planets and moons are not the least bit metallicity deficient, because hardly if any of their mass is plasma or much less fusion worthy. As recently reported, the core of mother Earth is roughly a thousand degrees hotter than previously thought, and not that anyone here gives a hoot or cares a tinkers damn about the significance of our core having more thorium and uranium than previously thought, but at least this revised core assessment means we should have more of a helium cache and resupply than previously thought, and the way things are going, we’ll need every bit of it. All things considered, it’s all perfectly relative (as George Carlin said; Earth will be here long after we’re gone), because when necessary we can always get lots of future helium and even extract He3 (3He) from our moon, which might some day become viable considering the ongoing depletion and the artificially inflated cost of terrestrial helium as literally going through the roof. *Of course any off-world resource of rare elements like helium is going to be spendy as hell, but if there’s an insufficient terrestrial resupply of such essential elements that’s in greater demand than ever, is what should make its future cost a non-issue, just like the mutually perpetrated cold-war era and subsequent proxy wars plus whatever consequence of our military industrial complex and various Karma payback revenge apparently hasn’t been an issue of cost for most of us, not even at having cost this world trillions per year and having terminated millions of lives, in great part because we simply could not manage to otherwise deal with upgrading common infrastructure issues and sustain our spendy global domination plus cloak and dagger wars at the same time. *So obviously whatever cost is not a factor once having compared this to the ongoing cost of what our mainstream status-quo seem to accept and even promote whenever ethnicity and the ever increasing wealth and authority disparity seems a whole lot more important, at least if you happen to be a Rothschild oligarch that has never worked at any honest job in their life. The atmospheric escape of helium simply isn’t limited as to the mainstream reported and K-12 textbook published notion of 50 grams/ sec, at least not as of the last few hundred years of us exploiting every accessible pool or deposit of hydrocarbons which always includes an unbound component of *helium provided from a million holes as having been punched into Earth, along with nature keeping up with its fair share of sustaining the 5.24 ppm saturation which also doesn’t stick around for long after the source is either depleted, plugged or especially once tapped out, because the innards of Earth is supposedly limited as to creating just 3000 tonnes/year, even though its worth could now be revised upwards to suggest as much as 30,000 tonnes/year, which still may not be sufficient as long as there’s no apparent recycling efforts and the uneducated public is willing to pay and/or getting taxed upon science and technology having to pay more than $1000/m3 or $176/oz. It has been well documented that some natural geothermal vents in India have been objectively quantified as giving off 20% helium (1e25 atoms of 2He/m3 or at least 1e24 atoms if all other vapors are mostly those of those heavier than nitrogen), plus we always have more than a dozen active volcanic eruptions, and per se none of that considerable volume of helium sticks around but for a few seconds per vertical meter after each geothermal vent/belch because its vertical migration has been objectively quantified. *Otherwise most natural ground venting of helium is perhaps worth something less than 1 ppm/sec. However, even if the all-inclusive average leakage of all things natural plus artificially caused were limited as to only 10% of that by providing only 0.1 ppm/m2/sec, is still a global surface exit volume of 5.1e13 ppm/m3/sec, and don't ever forget there's roughly 5e25 atoms/m3 of standard surface air which makes that conservative .1 ppm/m3/sec into being worth 5e18 atoms of helium escapement per each and every surface cubic meter of surface atmosphere. *5e18 x 5.1e14 x 1.67e-27 = 42.6e5 kg/sec. As is each cubic meter of surface atmosphere supposedly contains 5.24 ppm He, which represents 2.67e20 atoms of helium/m3 that has to be continually replenished, because of the extremely low mass or specific gravity of helium which never binds with anything as it unavoidably floats and drifts upwards because of its minimal molecular mass, is what also makes it a rather buoyant or lofty element that’s never going to hold whatever vertical position upon release nor much less migrate itself downward on its own, as others having specified that our planet would need roughly 7 times as much gravity in order to hold onto its helium. Even if this ongoing molecular loss of 2He were given 1000 seconds in order to escape each vertical cubic meter, is going to represent that . 1 ppm/m3 of natural plus artificial surface escapement is going to give us an all-inclusive global loss of 4.26e3 kg/sec(4.26 tonnes/ sec), which seems a far cry greater rate of loss than any wussy 50 grams/sec as specified by our mainstream status-quo science peers that’s always getting their purely subjective estimate of global helium loss published just about everywhere. I’ve certainly made my fair share of math mistakes in the past, and perhaps this is yet another mistaken conclusion, but I honestly don’t think so. *If I’m way the hell off base, then why don’t our Big Energy cartels that most of you have supported and even worship, as supposedly knowing everything there is to know, should bother to tell us otherwise? Since multiple public funded Earth science missions like OCO have been foiled, perhaps our Big Energy buddies at BP are the ones that should be telling us exactly how little helium escapes from all of their hydrocarbon exploitations and refineries, as compared to Jamnagar, PDVSA, ExxonMobil, Shell or others. Our planet simply has not been gaining atmospheric mass, even though humanity has been doing everything possible as to increasing its saturations of CO2 and NOx in addition to increasing water vapor plus loads of acidic soot and many other artificial contributions (mostly of bad or toxic stuff) along with our having been venting hydrogen and helium as fast as we can manage. *Perhaps initially our planet had 100 bar (5.1e20 kg) worth of an atmospheric layer protecting everything, or nearly a hundred times more atmospheric mass to work with, but obviously that’s not the case anymore with an atmospheric mass of only 5.1e18 kg (10 tonnes/m2). Helium escapement (second to the easiest of elements to blow away) is further increased by way of solar heating and of course getting constantly excavated away from Earth by the solar wind which includes some of its own helium (CMEs offering as much as 10% He and the average solar wind supposedly offers 4%), none of which sticks with our planet other than temporarily lingering within the exosphere because, most of the solar wind is fended off by the magnetosphere. Even our moon can't manage to hold onto its ionized sodium (23 times heavier than helium), with an exospheric ionized sodium cloud of 9r and a comet like tail of 900,0000 km, of which Earth passes directly through every time that moon gets directly aligned between us and our sun that's typically blowing at 300 km/sec, which can surge to 1000+ km/sec. *Anyone care to give us your swag as to how much ionized sodium/sec is extracted from and leaving our moon? No doubt there’s another treasure trove of lithium within our moon, not to mention those heavy elements besides iron and titanium plus thorium and uranium and perhaps even some cobalt which should help to explain the gamma our naked moon has to offer. *Of course, if there’s heavy elements would also represent that platinum and gold shouldn’t be excluded. There is always some influx of elements, including helium as contained within the space dust, meteorites and asteroids, but at best it's a fraction of what vapor tonnage of our terrestrial hydrogen and helium is being lost to space. One of the many off-world benefits of TBMs excavating into the thick paramagnetic basalt and carbonado crust of our moon, will be the extraction of 2He and 3He in addition to obtaining volumes of good old O2 and various other elements including a little H2O from vaporizing its paramagnetic basalt. *The hard part of all this has to do with convincing our terrestrial oligarchs into allowing this future treasure trove of nearby element extractions to happen, before it’s too late. Of course, according to our Georgia Guidestones and if adhering to their specified manifesto dogma of planet Earth accommodating a maximum of only 500 million humans, of extremely well educated and wealthy humans that a great deal of modern technology is capably taking care of, would pretty much eliminate any need of future off- world exploitations. *No doubt the reason why our FEMA and DHS needed those extra spare billions of hollow tipped bullets (perhaps by now we’re talking 15+ bullets for each and every man, woman and child on Earth, not to mention our combined WMD capability that has gotten multifold capable of eliminating most every soul on Earth as well as wiping out most other biodiversity). *Gee whiz, what sort of global Karma could possibly go wrong? (this time) Naturally, to most that manage to read through this revised topic and its, our moon has absolutely nothing to do with exploiting the extremely nearby planet Venus, or so you might think. *Unlike your mainstream cozy box-limited self of keeping everything nicely social/ political and faith-based correct and thereby failsafe, by not sticking your mostly white and/or rednecks anywhere near the obfuscation edge of any possible nondisclosures and taboos that would only get you and your extended family into a whole lot of mainstream status-quo trouble, is pretty much why we’re in the doom and gloom sort of mess we’re in. Terraforming the innards of our moon is just another logical steppingstone, as providing a terrific outpost/gateway and very safe oasis capable of housing billions of us, as well as for utilizing its L1 and L2 plus eventually as being relocated within Earth L1 in order to directly benefit everyone else stuck on Earth, including salvaging most of the global environment that essentially needs an opportunity to cool off before it’s too late. *There’s actually 10+ good reasons for every bad notion you can think of, but when mainstream naysayism, science obfuscation and their denial of being in denial has closed all the doors, is what makes all of this a whole lot harder than it needs to be. We could also learn a lot about atmospheric and geological physics from exploiting the extremely nearby planet Venus that has lots of just about everything to offer, including at least one set of weird geometrical formations offering a very rational infrastructure community like setting. *But of course our NASA and their associates of closely protected insiders are having none of this, no matters what the consequences. Obviously our resident FUD-masters of Usenet/newsgroups (typically devout faith-based types, including those of pretend-Atheists that merely act/react as though Semitic) adamantly oppose any such usage or exploitation of our moon, regardless of the consequences and/or Karma of just sitting on our butts and doing nothing positive nor constructive. *In fact, it seems only the most faith-based types object as to any notions of humans ever leaving Earth, and yet they each want nothing short of global domination in order to prove their version of everything is all that matters. *So, we should only expect this global situation as going from bad to worse, as long as we allow only the upper caste of oligarchs that are never elected nor appointed, to be calling all the shots, as well as otherwise whenever possible taking all the credits for anything good while in denial about having anything to do with whatever bad stuff has taken place because bad things are supposedly never their fault. Be my guest and apply your very own photographic enlargement software, as to viewing this one small but rather interesting mountainous area of Venus, using your independent deductive expertise as to enlarge or magnify this extensively mountainous terrain of Venus that I’ve focused upon, really shouldn’t be asking too much. *Most of modern PhotoZoom and numerous other photographic software variations tend to accomplish this enlargement process automatically (including iPhone and Safari image zooming), although some extra applied filtering and thereby image enhancing for dynamic range compensations (aka contrast) can further improve upon the end result (no direct pixel modifications should ever be necessary, because it’s all a derivative from the original Magellan radar imaging of 36 confirming radar scans/pixel, that can always be 100% verified). “GuthVenus” 1:1, plus 10x resample/enlargement of the area in question: *https://picasaweb.google.com/1027362...Guth#slideshow.... *http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hi...c115s095_1.gif *https://picasaweb.google.com/1027362...8634/BradGuth# *http://translate.google.com/# *Brad Guth, Brad_Guth, Brad.Guth, BradGuth, BG, Guth Usenet/”Guth Venus”, GuthVenus On Apr 11, 9:17*am, Brad Guth wrote: Pay no special attention to those hiding behind curtains and pretending as always being faith-based and/or politically correct, because it's their mostly public-funded and/or faith-based job to topic/author stalk and to otherwise FUD everything to death. *Hitler had the exact same “Paperclip” team of rusemasters and FUD-masters, as professional clowns working and/or manipulating the locals into a mainstream status-quo mindset, which unfortunately far too many bought into instead of taking any logical stance against their totally bat**** crazy peers. Of course this mainstream status-quo policy of obfuscation and denial is what brought us a mutually perpetrated cold-war era and the negative Karma likes of 911 (make that positive Karma if you are an oligarch of our military industrial complex), each of which wasted decades and costing us trillions of our hard earned dollars, as well as having systematically squandered all sorts of talent, expertise and resources that we'll never get back, and which force other nations to follow suit. Venus is pretty much as hot and nasty as we’ve all been indoctrinated about. *However, this not necessarily the case of each and every location, such as mountainous and polar area can be considerably cooler though still extremely hot by human standards that we’re accustomed to. *With applied physics and reasonable technology, the surface of Venus can be dealt with, at least robotically, and otherwise via composite rigid airships it can be further exploited while easily protecting the airship crew. *Of course you have to think both really big and perhaps even small in order to fully appreciate the potential of what exploiting such a nearby planet has to offer, because it’s the in-between that’s not easily accomplished if you can only think of terrestrial methods that get to deal with on Earth. Our physically dark and naked moon is just another metallicity treasure trove of valuable resources (including much clean energy), just sitting out there and causing us mostly grief and otherwise contributing very little terrestrial benefit, unless added IR, X-rays and gamma plus loads of tidal surging and increased seismic trauma is desirable. On Feb 18, 6:56*am, Brad Guth wrote: It's probably close to averaging a cozy 0 F (255 K) at no greater than 10 meters deep, and it shouldn't have any problems reaching 70 F (day or night) at 100 km deep or possibly as shallow as 10 km (depending on the core energy). *The R-factor of lunar regolith (lose basalt rock and loads of crystal dry dust that’s at minimum 10 meters deep) is none too shabby, and otherwise the geothermal conductance and/or heat transfer coefficient (aka geothermal gradient) of its paramagnetic basalt crust of 3.5 g/cm3 density shouldn't be significantly any different than here on Earth, except that our terrestrial basalt isn't nearly as paramagnetic or much less offering carbonado, and the core heat of Earth being 7000+ K as opposed to only 1000 K of our moon. Supposedly there is only a wee little bit of lunar granite to deal with, but the samples thus far are inconsistent in their composition. A new interpretation is that all-inclusively the geothermal outflux of Earth (including geothermal vents and volcanic contributions) is getting rid of roughly 128 mw/m2, whereas our moon is supposedly only getting rid of as little as 16 mw/m2 (an 8th as much). *http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geothermal_gradient *“Geothermal gradient is the rate of increasing temperature with respect to increasing depth in the Earth's interior.” The "Igneous Petrology" of our moon and Venus should each be unique and considerably different than Earth. “The composition of igneous rocks and minerals can be determined via a variety of methods of varying ease, cost, and complexity. The simplest method is observation of hand samples with the naked eye and/or with a hand lens. This can be used to gauge the general mineralogical composition of the rock, which gives an insight into the composition.” Unfortunately, the rocks returned from our moon were entirely similar to those of terrestrial rocks. *Of course there’s all sorts of actual paramagnetic basalt moon rock to be found on Earth, because there should be at least a thousand teratonnes of it, whereas naturally most of which ended up in oceans and otherwise as having meteor and obvious melt indications that are entirely quite different than local volcanic spewed basalts. “A more precise but still relatively inexpensive way to identify minerals (and thereby the bulk chemical composition of the rock) with a petrographic microscope. These microscopes have polarizing plates, filters, and a conoscopic lens that allow the user to measure a large number of crystallographic properties.” Contributor “Wretch Fossil” actually has a very good “petrographic microscope” and multiple resources plus talent of interpreting such to go along with it. *Sadly this technology and its expertise of interpreting is being ignored by those of authority that do not want outsiders having a public say about anything. *So, once again, it really doesn’t matter whatever level of modern applied technology and expertise we have to offer, because it’s only going to be topic/author stalked and systematically trashed by those of Usenet/newsgroup authority that have multiple mainstream issues at risk. TBMs cutting their tunnels into the interior of our moon should prove both interesting and rewarding in terms of extracting rare and valuable elements, not to mention creating the very cozy and safe habitat potential that’s opened up for multiple uses. *Unfortunately this method can not be applied on such a geodynamically active planet like Venus that has such a thin crust and way more primordial core energy outflux of perhaps 20.5 w/m2 as contributing way more geothermal energy than any other planet or moon has to offer, although older and cooler planets or any number of their moons (except for Io that’s averaging 2 w/m2) should be somewhat similar to terraforming the cozy interior of our moon. *http://www.mps.mpg.de/solar-system-s...etary_interior... *http://commercialspace.pbworks.com/f/Public+ILN.pdf *The likely two thirds (6.6e17~6.6e18 tonnes) worth of lose surface basalt rock and dust including whatever 4+ billion years worth of accumulated deposits, as remaining crystal dry on the naked surface of our physically dark moon (not including the other good third portion as having been dislodged and deposited on Earth) is a direct result of the thousands of significant impacts, and especially as a result of whatever created its South polar crater of 2500 km diameter, that which all by itself should have contributed a minimum of 3e17 m3 or possibly a maximum contribution of 1e18 m3 if including the planet sized impactor contributions. *Given the limited surface area of the moon as being 3.8e13 m2 doesn’t exactly allow all that much surface area for accommodating such volume of lose crater made fallout, and perhaps due to much of its own basalt metallicity making its density worth on average 3.5 tonnes/m3 unless offset by loads of accumulated carbon buckyballs. *In that kind of hard vacuum, there really shouldn’t be all that much porosity to any of its solidified basalt or carbonado. Liquefied basalt as returning fallout from such truly horrific impacts that should have extensively solidified and possibly fused upon contact with the relatively cool basalt surface, as such should have been quite obvious and highly distinctive if such exposed lunar bedrock samples had been return to Earth. *Sadly, no such samples or even unique meteorites ever materialized from our NASA/Apollo era, that found our naked moon as instead so unusually reflective and UV, X- ray and gamma inert as well as hardly the least bit dusty, and what little crystal dry dust there was seemed to offer terrific surface tension and clumping for their footing and traction like no place else. Even taking the utmost conservative swag-estimate of 3.8e16 m3 worth of lose rock, debris and accumulated dust, is still suggesting an average surface depth of one km, which of course our Apollo era found no such indications, as though that moon is relatively new to us. *Of course, if that moon had created our Arctic ocean basin as of 11,712 years ago, would actually explain quite a bit. How’s that for a worthy topic of terraforming the innards of our naked moon that’s practically dust free and mostly solid as any rock according to our Apollo wizards?
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