CHANDRAYAAN = ? Photoshop + cut and paste ?

~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG / “Guth Usenet”

On Nov 10, 10:37 pm, BradGuth wrote:
What gives? (why the delay?)

Is our DARPA and NASA telling India/ISRO what they can or can't do?

Is our Selene/moon still nondisclosure rated?

Why not allow India/ISRO to share raw/unaltered science data from all
11 instruments, including those original full digital frames of raw
(monochrome and color) images?

~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG / “Guth Usenet”

There's still an ongoing delay, but at least their mission is still
functioning and giving us bits and pieces to work with.

On Nov 28, 7:58 pm, "Painius" wrote:

I wonder what the "e" inside the triangle might be?

http://www.isro.org/Chandrayaan/images/1map_hysi.jpg

http://altreligion.about.com/library.../aa062003a.htm
“The triangle is one of the most easily recognized religious symbols
in the West, most commonly associated with the Christian trinity or
Freemasonry”

The letter “e” is also one of the most common letters or written
symbols in the human species, and the triangle = Earth

Nd this next find seems more than a little odd:

http://www.dancewithshadows.com/tech...erature-rises/
The temperature inside Chandrayaan-1 has increased after a sudden
increase in lunar temperature during its lunar orbit.

M Annadurai, project director of Indian’s moon mission, has been
quoted as saying, “Now the moon, our satellite and the sun are in same
line this means our craft is receiving 1,200 watts of heat from the
moon and 1,300 watts from the sun per meter square.”

ISRO has said that November - December is the time during which the
summer cycle of the Moon takes place. With the moon and the sun
aligned with each other, the outside temperature can go up to 123° C.
The temperature of the side of the Moon that does not face the Sun
plummets to -223° C.

The temperature inside Chandrayaan-1 has gone up to 50° C. The ISRO
has switched off or reduced the use of several instruments, like
mission computers, in Chandrayaan-1.

Mr. Annadurai said that the temperature within Chandryaan-1 had to be
kept below 50° C, to safeguard the payloads in the craft from
irreversible damage.

Mr. Annadurai has said that they have also rotated Chandrayaan-1 by 20
degrees, which along with the shutting down of certain instruments,
has led to a dip in the temperature to 40 degree C.

As of now, all the instruments in the Chandrayaan-1 are in order and
functioning well.
As part of the measures taken to deal with the heat, ISRO will raise
the orbit of Chandrayaan-1, which is in orbit 100km away from the
moon, in case all other methods fail.

ISRO expects the temperature of the Moon to come back to normal by
December 2008.

ISRO plans to switch on Chandrayaan-1’s high-voltage payloads SARA and
Hex after that.

As of now, out of Chandrayaan-1’s eleven payloads, the payloads that
have been switched on are, the Terrain Mapping Camera (TMC), the Hyper
spectral Imager (HySI), Radiation Dose Monitor (RADOM), Moon Impact
Probe (MIP), and the Lunar Laser Ranging Instrument (LLRI).
(end quote)

Notice the added 1200 w/m2 of secondary IR albedo. I certainly didn't
think our physically dark Selene/moon was offering that great of IR
albedo, although it certainly make sense as to why orbiting that moon
or much less being on its surface by day would be so extremely hot.

No wonder the element of sodium is getting continually vaporized.

~ BG

On Nov 10, 10:37 pm, BradGuth wrote:
What gives? (why the delay?)

Is our DARPA and NASA telling India/ISRO what they can or can't do?

Is our Selene/moon still nondisclosure rated?

Why not allow India/ISRO to share raw/unaltered science data from all
11 instruments, including those original full digital frames of raw
(monochrome and color) images?

~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG / “Guth Usenet”


It’s finally looking better, although here’s the most “plausible
reason for no Chandrayaan pictures”, or at least why all the recent
delay and otherwise limited science. However, at this sluggish rate
they’ll have to extend their mission by another year, if not two extra
years should their mission keep overheating.

It’s not just the crystal dry 1e18 kg worth of surface dust and lose/
uncompacted rock, or soil if you like, that’s keeping most of our
mineral composite Selene/moon bedrock surface hidden from view, as
apparently the daytime orbital thermal over-load from the unexpected
secondary IR was considerably greater than anyone at ISRO had
expected.

Apparently ISRO has been on that pesky need-to-know basis, and as such
was clearly not informed by way of anything derived from our NASA or
Apollo missions, as pertaining to the secondary/recoil plus whatever
reflected amount of daytime IR that’s in addition to whatever the sun
directly contributes towards heating their Chandrayaan-1 satellite,
that had obviously been designed for operating well below 40°C, though
instead quickly exceeded 50°C.

http://www.dancewithshadows.com/tech...erature-rises/
The temperature inside Chandrayaan-1 has increased after a sudden
increase in lunar temperature during its lunar orbit.

M Annadurai, project director of Indian’s moon mission, has been
quoted as saying, “Now the moon, our satellite and the sun are in same
line this means our craft is receiving 1,200 watts of heat from the
moon and 1,300 watts from the sun per meter square.”

ISRO has said that November - December is the time during which the
summer cycle of the Moon takes place. With the moon and the sun
aligned with each other, the outside temperature can go up to 123° C.
The temperature of the side of the Moon that does not face the Sun
plummets to -223° C.

The temperature inside Chandrayaan-1 has gone up to 50° C. The ISRO
has switched off or reduced the use of several instruments, like
mission computers, in Chandrayaan-1.

Mr. Annadurai said that the temperature within Chandryaan-1 had to be
kept below 50° C, to safeguard the payloads in the craft from
irreversible damage.

Mr. Annadurai has said that they have also rotated Chandrayaan-1 by 20
degrees, which along with the shutting down of certain instruments,
has led to a dip in the temperature to 40 degree C.

As of now, all the instruments in the Chandrayaan-1 are in order and
functioning well. As part of the measures taken to deal with the
heat, ISRO will raise the orbit of Chandrayaan-1, which is in orbit
100km away from the moon, in case all other methods fail.

ISRO expects the temperature of the Moon to come back to normal by
December 2008.

ISRO plans to switch on Chandrayaan-1’s high-voltage payloads SARA and
Hex after that.

As of now, out of Chandrayaan-1’s eleven payloads, the payloads that
have been switched on are, the Terrain Mapping Camera (TMC), the Hyper
spectral Imager (HySI), Radiation Dose Monitor (RADOM), Moon Impact
Probe (MIP), and the Lunar Laser Ranging Instrument (LLRI).
(end quote)

Notice the added “1,200 watts”/m2 of unexpected secondary IR albedo,
whereas I’d thought the IR albedo average was toasty enough as based
upon being closer to 33% (450 w/m2), though most certainly had not
considered that our physically dark Selene/moon was capable of
radiating at such great of IR albedo (90%), although it makes sense
as to why orbiting that moon or much less being upon its physically
dark and dusty surface by day would have to be so extremely double
extra hot at the combined 2.6 kw/m2.

No wonder that local element of sodium has been getting continually
vaporized.

~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG / “Guth Usenet”

On Nov 12 2008, 4:04 am, BradGuth wrote:
On Nov 11, 1:24 pm, Jim Newman wrote:

BradGuth wrote:
On Nov 11, 6:44 am, "harmony" wrote:
http://www.isro.org/pslv-c11/photos/...n/Moon_Enh.jpg

Interesting. Why exactly did they intentionally degrade their image?
(it worked perfectly while imaging Earth, even with narrow bandpass
filtering)

Was there too much Van Allan or Magnetosphere radiation, too much of
those UV secondary/recoil photons or perhaps too much of the sodium
saturated atmosphere to deal with?

What 'sodium saturated atmosphere' are you talking about?

Search for the words sodium and moon.

That Selene sodium, which isn't of much density at 9r, or even the
average of 50/cm3 out to a million km as within a comet like trail of
sodium still isn't all that bad, but otherwise it gets a bit more
populated or saturated at 1.1r or less. At 100 km they should be
right in the thick of it, especially near the surface of the solar
illuminated side should offer more abundance than above the cold
nighttime surface.

~ BG
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On Jan 4, 6:27*am, wrote:
On Nov 12 2008, 4:04 am, BradGuth wrote:

On Nov 11, 1:24 pm, Jim Newman wrote:

BradGuth wrote:
On Nov 11, 6:44 am, "harmony" wrote:
http://www.isro.org/pslv-c11/photos/...n/Moon_Enh.jpg

Interesting. *Why exactly did they intentionally degrade their image?
(it worked perfectly while imaging Earth, even with narrow bandpass
filtering)

Was there too much Van Allan or Magnetosphere radiation, too much of
those UV secondary/recoil photons or perhaps too much of the sodium
saturated atmosphere to deal with?

What 'sodium saturated atmosphere' are you talking about?

Search for the words sodium and moon.

That Selene sodium, which isn't of much density at 9r, or even the
average of 50/cm3 out to a million km as within a comet like trail of
sodium still isn't all that bad, but otherwise it gets a bit more
populated or saturated at 1.1r or less. *At 100 km they should be
right in the thick of it, especially near the surface of the solar
illuminated side should offer more abundance than above the cold
nighttime surface.

*~ BG
ey dear friends Happy new year my dear friends and a happy new year gmail HaHaHaHaHaHaHa !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.............

Right back at you.

Is there something new and improved from ISRO that's worth sharing,
such as the multiple science feedback from their moon impactor as it
headed towards the surface, or that of terrain geology mapping via
full color/hue saturation images derived from all 64 bands.

Is the moon temperature back to normal?

Has their TMC uncovered anything of an Apollo controlled downrange and
their supposed soft landings onto that dark as coal and dusty surface,
or perhaps their having merely sited various controlled impacts?

~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG / “Guth Usenet”

Wonder what all the delay is about.

Either they have the multiple science and thousands of images, or they
don't.

~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG / “Guth Usenet�


BradGuth wrote:
What gives? (why the delay?)

Is our DARPA and NASA telling India/ISRO what they can or can't do?

Is our Selene/moon still nondisclosure rated?

Why not allow India/ISRO to share raw/unaltered science data from all
11 instruments, including those original full digital frames of raw
(monochrome and color) images?

~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG / �Guth Usenet�

GuthBall, they are in the process of selecting the best pictures, so that
they meet with your rather stringent requirements. They just don't want to
offer anything for public viewing that doesn't pass muster with your
expertise on the subject.


"BradGuth" wrote in message
...
Wonder what all the delay is about.

Either they have the multiple science and thousands of images, or they
don't.

~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG / "Guth Usenet"


BradGuth wrote:
What gives? (why the delay?)

Is our DARPA and NASA telling India/ISRO what they can or can't do?

Is our Selene/moon still nondisclosure rated?

Why not allow India/ISRO to share raw/unaltered science data from all
11 instruments, including those original full digital frames of raw
(monochrome and color) images?

~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG / ?Guth Usenet?

Unlike most everything NASA/Apollo that's subjective, can't ever be
independently peer replicated and that you obviously approve of as
representing 100% objective proof-positive and obviously the last word
of God, no one including myself has ever asked for ISRO special
processing of their images, much less to exclude evidence from any
other data obtained via their CHANDRAYAAN science instruments. We're
just asking nicely for the raw science data in hard numbers and raw/
unmodified pixels, please.

Obviously their published format for the general media may require
some filtering and polishing efforts, so as to not overload those of
us not really interested in further interpreting or much less
intending to contribute our best deductive logic. So, unlike your
highly bigoted self that has no remorse or real interest in
appreciating their talents, expertise and public funded investments,
whereas instead I'm very interested in their accomplishments, and I'm
willing to give full credit as well as share and share alike.
Obviously you and others of your kind have a problem with that.

~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG / “Guth Usenet”


Hagar wrote:
GuthBall, they are in the process of selecting the best pictures, so that
they meet with your rather stringent requirements. They just don't want to
offer anything for public viewing that doesn't pass muster with your
expertise on the subject.


"BradGuth" wrote in message
...
Wonder what all the delay is about.

Either they have the multiple science and thousands of images, or they
don't.

~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG / "Guth Usenet"


BradGuth wrote:
What gives? (why the delay?)

Is our DARPA and NASA telling India/ISRO what they can or can't do?

Is our Selene/moon still nondisclosure rated?

Why not allow India/ISRO to share raw/unaltered science data from all
11 instruments, including those original full digital frames of raw
(monochrome and color) images?

~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG / ?Guth Usenet?