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Old August 31st 18, 07:30 PM posted to sci.astro.amateur
Gerald Kelleher
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DST is basically a communal form of jet lag and should remind everyone that the day and rotation is anchored to noon unlike those ignorant of timekeeping who insist that one rotation is linked directly to circumpolar motion thereby attempting to bypass the Sun and specifically noon as a marker.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-45366390

Rather than present the world with a narrative that anyone would be proud of by expanding the already known history of timekeeping back to the neolithic people and their monuments and then on to the Egyptians, I have seen nothing but a dour and sullen silence for people who cheer themselves as scientists. At least this time it is a political decision and ordinary people recognizing the importance of their body clock in tandem with the daily motion of the Earth.










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Old September 1st 18, 11:00 PM posted to sci.astro.amateur
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On Friday, 31 August 2018 14:30:08 UTC-4, Gerald Kelleher wrote:
DST is basically a communal form of jet lag and should remind everyone that the day and rotation is anchored to noon unlike those ignorant of timekeeping who insist that one rotation is linked directly to circumpolar motion thereby attempting to bypass the Sun and specifically noon as a marker.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-45366390

Rather than present the world with a narrative that anyone would be proud of by expanding the already known history of timekeeping back to the neolithic people and their monuments and then on to the Egyptians, I have seen nothing but a dour and sullen silence for people who cheer themselves as scientists. At least this time it is a political decision and ordinary people recognizing the importance of their body clock in tandem with the daily motion of the Earth.


DST = Anachronistic B.S.
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Old September 1st 18, 11:18 PM posted to sci.astro.amateur
Gerald Kelleher
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On Saturday, September 1, 2018 at 11:00:33 PM UTC+1, RichA wrote:
On Friday, 31 August 2018 14:30:08 UTC-4, Gerald Kelleher wrote:
DST is basically a communal form of jet lag and should remind everyone that the day and rotation is anchored to noon unlike those ignorant of timekeeping who insist that one rotation is linked directly to circumpolar motion thereby attempting to bypass the Sun and specifically noon as a marker.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-45366390

Rather than present the world with a narrative that anyone would be proud of by expanding the already known history of timekeeping back to the neolithic people and their monuments and then on to the Egyptians, I have seen nothing but a dour and sullen silence for people who cheer themselves as scientists. At least this time it is a political decision and ordinary people recognizing the importance of their body clock in tandem with the daily motion of the Earth.


DST = Anachronistic B.S.


https://www.etymonline.com/word/anachronism

An anachronism originally applies to all here who cannot refer timekeeping to the cycles from which they arose.

What began as an orbital marker for fixing the year using the number of days, at least to a close proximity, should have been adopted to the orbital period and number of rotations of the Earth -

"On account of the precession of the rising of Sirius by one day in the course of 4 years therefore it shall be, that the year of 360 days and the 5 days added to their end, so one day shall be from this day after every 4 years added to the 5 epagomenae before the New Year" Canopus Decree, 236 BC

Unfortunately, due to the fact that the first Sun centered astronomers worked off the Greek framework of the motion of the Sun through the constellations, the antecedent framework was forgotten and lately in this newsgroup -completely ignored.

What is anachronistic, at least in the sense you give that term, is a society unable to present the basic facts of a round and rotating planet and that is not just dismaying, that is something beyond what I can express.




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Old September 2nd 18, 04:16 AM posted to sci.astro.amateur
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On Saturday, September 1, 2018 at 4:18:03 PM UTC-6, Gerald Kelleher wrote:

What is anachronistic, at least in the sense you give that term, is a society
unable to present the basic facts of a round and rotating planet and that is not
just dismaying, that is something beyond what I can express.


We are doing just fine with the basic facts of a round and rotationg planet, in
an elliptical orbit around the Sun. You're the one who has a problem, because
you want to work backwards and make the end result the basis, instead of the
component motions that give rise to the end result.

John Savard
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Old September 2nd 18, 09:28 AM posted to sci.astro.amateur
Gerald Kelleher
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I urge observers to take a practical and enjoyable approach concerning their relationship to the local horizon at the dawn and twilight appearance.

On a solar eclipse, the moon acts as a sunshade in allowing observers to see the stars to the left and right of the Sun whereas all other times the curvature of the Earth (from observer to horizon) restricts observations to the left of the Sun (evening appearance) and the right of the Sun (morning appearance).

The stars will transition from evening to morning appearance as they enter and exit the glare of the Sun due solely to the orbital motion of the Earth on a plane of motion that is entirely distinct from any stellar circumpolar inputs.


The great astronomer(s) who recognized the annual marker included the first annual appearance of a star included it with the daily rising of the Sun however, in 21st century terms, competent and confident astronomers could put the observation in context of orbital motion separate to daily rotation.

"On account of the precession of the rising of Sirius by one day in the course of 4 years therefore it shall be, that the year of 360 days and the 5 days added to their end, so one day shall be from this day after every 4 years added to the 5 epagomenae before the New Year" Canopus Decree, 236 BC

http://www.gautschy.ch/~rita/archast...liacsirius.JPG

Not all posters here can be entirely hapless as some are by having enough dignity and respect for the foundations of timekeeping from antiquity that makes all timekeeping possible for good and for bad. This heritage does not belong to me but to all humanity so it is a question of adapting what the ancient astronomers saw with the daily and annual motions/cycles of the Earth.
 




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