Hoagland a fraud?

On Wed, 17 Mar 2004 00:40:44 GMT, "Greg D. Moore \(Strider\)"
wrote:


"*" wrote in message
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On Wed, 17 Mar 2004 00:33:27 GMT, "Greg D. Moore \(Strider\)"
wrote:

The fact is, George is in fact right and you are
wrong, as a quick perusal of Google would show.

A quick perusal of google will show nothing.

Funnny, I get over 29,000 repsonses.

That's a whole lot of nothing.

You miss counted, but no one WOULD bother to count if they weren't trying to
hide something in the first place, would they.

On Wed, 17 Mar 2004 00:33:34 GMT, * wrote:

On 16 Mar 2004 16:16:38 -0800, (George William
Herbert) wrote:

Anyone in the *world* is allowed to view the raw science imagery.
All you need is a 30 to 70 meter radio antenna dish and the appropriate
data extraction tools. It's not encrypted.

Yes, and the 'extraction tools' are decoding programs and NO ONE ON EARTH
EXCEPT MALIN has those tools.

And this is what NASA/Lockheed are hiding:

1. Hoagland a fraud. He's being paid by Lockheed to be a
diversion and to make NASA/Lockheed secret discoveries on Mars look
ridiculous.

2) Ruins of a previous sophisticated and technologically advanced
civilization on Mars. This extinct Martian civilization shows evidence of
being more technologically advanced than current earth.

3) Evidence of a sudden, catastrophic mass extinction of that civilization
on Mars.

4). A breathable atmosphere on Mars.

5). Vegetation on Mars.

6). Grey aliens currently have established a base on Mars.

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* wrote:

On 16 Mar 2004 16:16:38 -0800, (George William
Herbert) wrote:

The US government (or, everyone) owns the images and data, both raw
and processed, throughout.

Liar.

During Malin's 'proprietary period' Malin has *exclusive ownership* of the
MOC photographs, and during that time Malin and his staff doctor the
photographs.

Repeating unsubstantiated bull**** over and over doesn't make it true.
I've already filed one abuse complaint today over your off-topi and
off-charter nonsense for sci.space. Would you like me to add another
for your dozen-plus posts containing nothing but the same text over and
over?

--
Herb Schaltegger, B.S., J.D.
Reformed Aerospace Engineer
Columbia Loss FAQ:
http://www.io.com/~o_m/columbia_loss_faq_x.html

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* wrote:
On 16 Mar 2004 16:16:38 -0800, (George William
Herbert) wrote:
The US government (or, everyone) owns the images and data, both raw
and processed, throughout.

Liar.

During Malin's 'proprietary period' Malin has *exclusive ownership* of the
MOC photographs, and during that time Malin and his staff doctor the
photographs.

1) NASA keeps their original downlink data.

2) If you keep posting 4 copies of everything you send,
Earthlink will turn your account off within a day or two.


-george william herbert

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* wrote:
On 16 Mar 2004 16:16:38 -0800, (George William
Herbert) wrote:
Anyone in the *world* is allowed to view the raw science imagery.
All you need is a 30 to 70 meter radio antenna dish and the appropriate
data extraction tools. It's not encrypted.

Yes, and the 'extraction tools' are decoding programs and NO ONE ON EARTH
EXCEPT MALIN has those tools.

The data format has been published.
Looking it up would require some actual
research in a library looking at journals,
however, which may be beyond your limited
capabilities.

You'd probably have to write some software to do it,
though there's an outside chance that Malin would
give it to you.

You keep making this out to be harder than it is.


-george william herbert

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* wrote:
And this is what NASA/Lockheed are hiding:

1. Hoagland a fraud. He's being paid by Lockheed to be a
diversion and to make NASA/Lockheed secret discoveries on Mars look
ridiculous.

2) Ruins of a previous sophisticated and technologically advanced
civilization on Mars. This extinct Martian civilization shows evidence of
being more technologically advanced than current earth.

3) Evidence of a sudden, catastrophic mass extinction of that civilization
on Mars.

4). A breathable atmosphere on Mars.

5). Vegetation on Mars.

6). Grey aliens currently have established a base on Mars.


And your evidence for this is?


-george william herbert

On Tue, 16 Mar 2004 21:10:18 GMT, * wrote:

On Tue, 16 Mar 2004 19:56:02 GMT, Ian Stirling
wrote:

In sci.space.policy * wrote:
On Mon, 15 Mar 2004 16:44:49 -0500, Patty Brooks
wrote:

snip

Is Hoagland a fraud? Yes he is. He's being paid by Lockheed to be a
diversion and to make NASA/Lockheed secret discoveries on Mars look
ridiculous.

What secret discoveries?

1) Ruins of a previous sophisticated and technologically advanced
civilization on Mars. This extinct Martian civilization shows evidence of
being more technologically advanced than current earth.

Nope, there are none


2) Evidence of a sudden, catastrophic mass extinction of that civilization
on Mars.

Nope, see above.


3). A breathable atmosphere on Mars.

Nope. Not at all, nada. Even *amateur* astronomers can test for that.
I guess they must be part of a grand international conspiracy, huh?

Care to explain how that is possible, kook?



4). Vegetation on Mars.

None seen so far.

5). Grey aliens currently have established a base of Mars.

Since there are no grey aliens, it follows there are no grey aliens on
Mars.

Geeze, did you take a particularly strong stupid pill this morning?


--

http://users.bigpond.net.au/wanglese/Alien_recipes.html

"You can't fool me, it's turtles all the way down."

On Wed, 17 Mar 2004 00:29:21 GMT, * wrote:

On 16 Mar 2004 16:16:38 -0800, (George William
Herbert) wrote:

The proprietary period also allows the scientists to remove
instrument noise and to calibrate the data properly.


Liar.

Oh, the IRONY. You are the biggest liar to have posted oin usnet in
ages.
To the sci. heir achy, welcome to Alexa, who takes a particularly
strong stupid pill each time it posts.

This individual has never been seen to post logic or truth in each
suck poppet incarnation.

--

http://users.bigpond.net.au/wanglese/Alien_recipes.html

"You can't fool me, it's turtles all the way down."

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On Tue, 16 Mar 2004 13:58:07 -0600, Herb Schaltegger
wrote:


In article ,
* wrote:


On Mon, 15 Mar 2004 16:44:49 -0500, Patty Brooks
wrote:

snip

Is Hoagland a fraud? Yes he is. He's being paid by Lockheed to be a
diversion and to make NASA/Lockheed secret discoveries on Mars look
ridiculous.

Is your name Maxson? You seem to share their patriarch's Lockheed
fetish.

To all amused lurkers, I suggest a quick google search on "Formosa's
Law" . . .


I suggest you bone up on Lockheed and their holdings and involvement with
NASA, the NSA, the phone company, the welfare system, and all the components
of Lockheed which are the technology behind the so-called US government.

Don't forget the Illuminati.

Brett "It's a plonk-fest!" Buck

On Tue, 16 Mar 2004 19:11:16 -0600, Herb Schaltegger
wrote:

In article ,
* wrote:

On 16 Mar 2004 16:16:38 -0800, (George William
Herbert) wrote:

The US government (or, everyone) owns the images and data, both raw
and processed, throughout.

Liar.

During Malin's 'proprietary period' Malin has *exclusive ownership* of the
MOC photographs, and during that time Malin and his staff doctor the
photographs.

Repeating unsubstantiated

It's not unsubstantiated. It's fact and needs no defense. If you have a
problem with it take it up with NASA/Lockheed, not me. I'm just the
messenger and attacking me is a logical fallacy.

bull**** over and over doesn't make it true.

Projection noted.

I've already filed one abuse complaint today over your off-topi

Since when is discussing space related topics in space related newsgroups
off topic, eh?

and
off-charter nonsense for sci.space. Would you like me to add another
for your dozen-plus posts containing nothing but the same text over and
over?

Go right ahead and continue your inane threats. You're paranoid, but
that;'s par for the course with people like you -- can't face the horrid
truth.