Chinese do it!

In article ,
Allen Meece wrote:
OK! I'm a delireously happy space cadet today. Because the commies are back!
And they're gonna try for the moon which means we'll have to race em again and
spend some money on manned exploration.

Why? There is no Cold War to make this important.
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In article ,
John Penta wrote:
Entrenching the $millions/ton lauch crowd even further won't do good things.

Only if you're fanatically libertarian re space.

No, it suffices to want *sustained* spaceflight. Another race won't
accomplish that, because at the end of a race, everybody stops running.
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On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 01:45:29 +0000 (UTC), Andrew Tubbiolo
wrote:


Hi All:

Just heard news the Chinese have launched about 30 min ago. None
of the ephem services list it yet. Too bad I did not generate a fake set.
Anybody know if the initial ground track takes it near the U.S. West
Coast?

Yeah, it was on my clock radio this morning as it clicked on for the
7am news. Well done China, and welcome to human space flight.


Christopher
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"Kites rise highest against
the wind - not with it."
Winston Churchill

On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 06:09:40 GMT, h (Rand
Simberg) wrote:

On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 01:24:47 -0400, in a place far, far away, John
Penta made the phosphor on my monitor glow in such
a way as to indicate that:

Anyone else think in some ways a space race might be almost the worst thing
that could happen at this point?

Entrenching the $millions/ton lauch crowd even further won't do good things.

Only if you're fanatically libertarian re space.

Personally? I could care less if it fits with
commercial/private-sector space dreams of anybody...

Let's just go back, dammit.

Why?

Cuz we can. Why need a better reason. It's there, we can do it.

So we go and do it, dammit.

Ah, the anthem of the economically and politically ignorant.

Ah, the opinion of someone who can't see beyond the horizon.


Christopher
+++++++++++++++++++++++++
"Kites rise highest against
the wind - not with it."
Winston Churchill

"Dave" writes:

"Alan Erskine" wrote in message
u...
"Andrew Tubbiolo" wrote in message
...

Nooo!

The Russians did it. It just happens there's a Chinese communist
astronaut
aboard.

The Chinese have copied the Russian space vehicle, and the space suit as
well.

Its more original than that being fair to China. The separate control and
power on the orbital module is pretty signficiant a departure to suggest its
not purely a Soyuz clone.

Perhaps Alan is suffering from the condition "we could launch someone into space
if we wanted to".

The fact is that the Chinese are there. They did build on Russian
experience, but clearly the launch vehicle is Chinese, the orbital
module is Chinese, and I'm sure much of the systems inside the descent
and propulsion module are Chinese designs.

The spacesuit may be a Russian suit or a copy, but so what? Who
bitches when ESA astronauts wear US or Russian suits?

Jeff
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On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 04:38:32 -0400, in a place far, far away, John
Penta made the phosphor on my monitor glow in such
a way as to indicate that:

Let's just go back, dammit.

Why?

Cuz we can. Why need a better reason. It's there, we can do it.

So we go and do it, dammit.

Ah, the anthem of the economically and politically ignorant.

What, don't dreams count for anything anymore?

They never did, when it comes to space policy.

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John Penta wrote:
On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 06:09:40 GMT, h (Rand
Simberg) wrote:

On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 01:24:47 -0400, in a place far, far away, John
Penta made the phosphor on my monitor glow in such
a way as to indicate that:

Anyone else think in some ways a space race might be almost the worst thing
that could happen at this point?

Entrenching the $millions/ton lauch crowd even further won't do good things.
snip
What, don't dreams count for anything anymore?

Maybe.
I dream of a future in which it's economical to launch things into space.

There has never been a successfull effort in reducing launch prices
significantly.
Spending $5B on launching 50 tons of stuff to the moon at current prices,
or spending $2B on developing cheaper launchers, and launching 300 tons
of stuff.

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h (Rand Simberg) wrote in message . ..
On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 01:24:47 -0400, in a place far, far away, John
Penta made the phosphor on my monitor glow in such
a way as to indicate that:

Anyone else think in some ways a space race might be almost the worst thing
that could happen at this point?

Entrenching the $millions/ton lauch crowd even further won't do good things.

Only if you're fanatically libertarian re space.

Personally? I could care less if it fits with
commercial/private-sector space dreams of anybody...

Let's just go back, dammit.

Why?

Cuz we can. Why need a better reason. It's there, we can do it.

So we go and do it, dammit.

Ah, the anthem of the economically and politically ignorant.

Just scrolling down and looking at the words, I didn't even have to
see the name of the author to know it was Rand.

On 15 Oct 2003 15:03:24 -0700, in a place far, far away,
(Alex Terrell) made the phosphor on my monitor
glow in such a way as to indicate that:

Personally? I could care less if it fits with
commercial/private-sector space dreams of anybody...

Let's just go back, dammit.

Why?

Cuz we can. Why need a better reason. It's there, we can do it.

So we go and do it, dammit.

Ah, the anthem of the economically and politically ignorant.

Just scrolling down and looking at the words, I didn't even have to
see the name of the author to know it was Rand.

Your point being?

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interglobal space lines * 307 733-1715 (Fax) http://www.interglobal.org

"Extraordinary launch vehicles require extraordinary markets..."
Swap the first . and @ and throw out the ".trash" to email me.
Here's my email address for autospammers:

Now THAT's what i call Chinese takeout!
Problem is, you orbit the earth in a chinese capsule, 90 minutes later, you
wanna orbit again...

Thanks, I'm here all week..;-)