Why is the Earth so Homogenized ??

On Thu, 10 Jul 2003 13:20:28 -0400 (EDT),
(G=EMC^2 Glazier) wrote:

Hi beavith not long winded. Very informative I take issue with only the
way we got helium in the 30s It came out of a well in Texas.

yeah. that was the place where modern (for the 1930's) chemical
engineering techniques allowed for the seperation. i'm just working
from memory, but i thought He came from Oklahoma. whatever. the US
heartland natural gas industry was 1930 era cutting edge.

We did
not know helium was mixed in with hydrogen until 45 years later.

in 1970-1975?
Ramsey discovered helium in the sun in the 1890's, spectroscopically.
natural gas, raw in the ground, is basically methane, carbon dioxide
nitrogen, and a witches brew of small percentage gases like He and
hydrogen sulfidedepending on the gas' "sweetness." there isn't much
free hydrogen in natural gas.

Beav



Bert

Hi oc I answered that thought experiment. It just can't happen. In
reality the center of the earth has great pressure.The pressure is so
great that iron in a liquid state becomes a solid. In the sun the
pressure creates fusion. In Jupiter center the heat and pressure create
solid hydrogen. The gravity of a very large mass has a force of gravity
that would not ever let the object have a hollow center,and the reality
is there are none to be found. Small objects like a bucky ball can be
hollow. Bert

Painius wrote,

This once again raises thoughts about
the "flow of space," the VED "flowing into every center of mass."

Then what? The flow just... stops? What
stops it? Does it change into something
that can affect the inside of Earth in a
physical way?

As was asked and answered very succinctly several days ago in the
(earlier of two) 'Descent Thoughts' thread: I had this very discussion
with Lindner a couple of years ago.
The flow is vertical and centerward at the Earth's
surface. Its 'centerward-ness' is most acute at the surface, becoming
less and less center-seeking with depth. Thus 'weight' decreases with
depth. At exact center, the flow has lost all directional preferance;
`weight` is zero and pressure maximum.
All of the Earth's mass is gravitating equally, at all
depths. The flow itself does not diminish or 'stop' at center, but loses
is directional preferance.
It is the directional flow, and matter's resistance to
that flow, that creates 'weight' (under the spatial-flow model of
gravity).

oc

"Bill Sheppard" wrote in message...
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Painius wrote,

This once again raises thoughts about
the "flow of space," the VED "flowing into every center of mass."

Then what? The flow just... stops? What
stops it? Does it change into something
that can affect the inside of Earth in a
physical way?

As was asked and answered very succinctly several days ago in the
(earlier of two) 'Descent Thoughts' thread: I had this very discussion
with Lindner a couple of years ago.
The flow is vertical and centerward at the Earth's
surface. Its 'centerward-ness' is most acute at the surface, becoming
less and less center-seeking with depth. Thus 'weight' decreases with
depth. At exact center, the flow has lost all directional preferance;
`weight` is zero and pressure maximum.
All of the Earth's mass is gravitating equally, at all
depths. The flow itself does not diminish or 'stop' at center, but loses
is directional preferance.
It is the directional flow, and matter's resistance to
that flow, that creates 'weight' (under the spatial-flow model of
gravity).

oc

Sorry if i'm being unnecessarily repetitive... perhaps you should
consider building a FAQ? g

Nahhh, i know how much you like talking about this shi^h^htuff.

More questions are then raised...

(1) Why is the "surface" so special... i.e., does the mass of the
atmosphere above the surface have so little effect? (Note the
special consideration of a gas giant such as Jupiter.)

(2) You appear to favor gravity waves over the concept of a
transfer particle, the graviton... so i'm assuming that you mean
that the flow toward the center is wavelike. Your description
that it loses all directional preference at first sounded orderly,
as when a water wave hits the side of a container and then
bounces off in a reflected wave. But the more i thought about
it, the more it sounded disorderly, even chaotic. If the wave
loses directional preference, then what exactly happens to the
infinite number of continuous gravity waves as they suffer this
loss? Where do they actually go? Do they reflect in some
uniform fashion? or do they pretty much radiate back out of
the Earth in any direction they damn well please?

(3) I read your post about QM giving Wolter some last-
minute relief regarding the CBB model. Without getting too
much out of my depth, could you explain more fully (a) if QM
considerations are what effect the change in directional
preference, and (b) in general, how exactly did the study of
quantum mechanics give Wolter's ideas more clarity?

Thanks, Bill, for your help on these points!

happy days and...
starry starry nights!

--
Eclipse! Eclipse! Oh red and tawny
Moon's mysterious glows,
Watch! soon our Moon again embrace
Earthshadow's ruddy flows.

'Tis Mars who sometimes ventures close
and sparks a bloody war
to end all wars and bring us peace,
that we may kill no more.

Paine Ellsworth

Bert wrote,

I answered that thought experiment. It
just can't happen. In reality the center of
the earth has great pressure.The
pressure is so great that gravity.....
would not ever let the object have a
hollow center, and the reality is there are none to be found.

Bert, it's a 'thought experiment', remember? Thought experiments are
based on a "what if" premise. Uncle Albert used them all the time. Ask
Moby. He'll tell you. 'What if' you were inside a hollow chamber at the
Earth's exact center. Where would you fall to?
Sure, in reality we cannot engineer such a chamber, as
you correctly point out. But the thought experiment still illustrates a
fact- the absence of `weight' at the center of a gravitating mass.

oc