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The First Step in Creating a Space Age - Treat Earth as a Planet
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHbaOX2UAs0
Jay Leno mentions the Hindenberg in this video and explains the hydrogen did not have anything to do with the explosion - calling it a rumor - and explaining that hydrogen is not dangerous whatever. |
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The First Step in Creating a Space Age - Treat Earth as a Planet
On Nov 8, 9:14*pm, Fred J. McCall wrote:
William Mook wrote: As Jay Leno reported, the Hindenberg ignited not because of hydrogen but because of the material that coated the surface of the balloon. The magnesium struts didn't help either. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHbaOX2UAs0 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXjVxOGCEpQ Jay Leno is out of date and is a paid advertising spokesman. *It does, however, demonstrate the level at which Mr Mook adopts things as 'fact'. shrug The facts are unassailable. "Nevertheless, more recent research conducted at the University of Colorado has contradicted this theory and found the airship's skin could not have been responsible for the fire's rapid spread. cite? This theoretical and experimental research suggests that even if Hindenburg had been coated in actual solid rocket fuel, it would have taken at least 12 hours to burn in the absence of hydrogen. A Hindenberg model was coated with the same material as that found on the Hindenberg and it went up in less than 30 seconds when ignited. Experiments with recreations of the ship's skin have also found it would have taken some 40 hours for the Hindenburg to be consumed if the fabric had caused the fire. Cite? Actual experiments with coated fabrics indicate that 34 seconds it actually took was validated. Also, the film shows clear evidence of thermite reaction. These finding led the researchers to conclude that although the Hindenburg's skin was combustible, it was not flammable." If you would cite a peer reviewed article that actually did these experiments I would be greatly appreciative. "Given the inability of investigators to conclusively determine why the Hindenburg crashed, it is not surprising so many theories to explain its destruction have emerged. Even so, the static spark theory is still considered the most likely since it is the best corroborated by the wreckage, video and photo evidence, and eyewitness reports. This evidence and academic research also supports the belief that the ship's hydrogen gas was ignited by static discharge and not the skin. The hydrogen burned explosively and rapidly spread the flames forward throughout the ship, and the skin only burned as a result of this intense fire." http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question...ns/q0277.shtml Thanks. This is contradicted by actual experimental results burning accurate Hindenberg scale models. 1/50 scale. -- "Ignorance is preferable to error, and he is less remote from the *truth who believes nothing than he who believes what is wrong." * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *-- Thomas Jefferson |
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On Nov 8, 9:17*pm, Fred J. McCall wrote:
Brad Guth wrote: On Nov 8, 9:05*am, William Mook wrote: As Jay Leno reported, the Hindenberg ignited not because of hydrogen but because of the material that coated the surface of the balloon. The magnesium struts didn't help either. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHbaO...utube.com/watc.... Exactly, Exactly wrong, as I pointed out elsewhere. -- "Some people get lost in thought because it's such unfamiliar *territory." * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * --G. Behn Not wrong at all. Look at part three - they burned a 1/50th scale replica and it validated the fact that it was the skin not the hydrogen that was the culprit. |
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On Nov 8, 9:18*pm, Fred J. McCall wrote:
Alan Anderson wrote: On Nov 8, 2:28*am, Fred J. McCall wrote: So I guess the Hindenberg didn't really explode and burn, then? It didn't explode. Really. It did burn, but blaming the hydrogen is almost certainly wrong. Burning hydrogen gas produces a pretty blue smokeless flame. The Hindenberg burned bright yellow, with plenty of smoke. Hydrogen rises. A lot of the burning material fell. Ignition of the aluminum paint on the airship's skin, perhaps from a discharge of static electricity, is a very reasonable explanation for what happened. It may be "very reasonable", but it doesn't explain what happened. See what I posted elsewhere on the study done at CU. -- "Ignorance is preferable to error, and he is less remote from the *truth who believes nothing than he who believes what is wrong." * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *-- Thomas Jefferson CU is wrong the experimental results don't validate the theory. |
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On Nov 8, 9:19*pm, Fred J. McCall wrote:
Brad Guth wrote: On Nov 8, 12:32*pm, Alan Anderson wrote: On Nov 8, 2:28*am, Fred J. McCall wrote: So I guess the Hindenberg didn't really explode and burn, then? It didn't explode. Really. It did burn, but blaming the hydrogen is almost certainly wrong. Burning hydrogen gas produces a pretty blue smokeless flame. The Hindenberg burned bright yellow, with plenty of smoke. Hydrogen rises. A lot of the burning material fell. Ignition of the aluminum paint on the airship's skin, perhaps from a discharge of static electricity, is a very reasonable explanation for what happened. That's 100% correct, Except that it's absolutely wrong. -- "Ordinarily he is insane. But he has lucid moments when he is *only stupid." * * * * * * * * * * * * * * -- Heinrich Heine No its not. The skin caused a thermite reaction - you can see thermite forming and dropping off the Hindenberg in the film, and see it in the model as well. |
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On Nov 8, 9:20*pm, Fred J. McCall wrote:
Jeff Findley wrote: In article 7754a276-58f5-4d5f-85d0-b87317e02f08 , says... As Jay Leno reported, the Hindenberg ignited not because of hydrogen but because of the material that coated the surface of the balloon. The magnesium struts didn't help either. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHbaOX2UAs0 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXjVxOGCEpQ It is true that the likely cuase of the fire was a spark which ignighted the flammable coating on the outside of the Hindenburg. No, it isn't. -- "Ignorance is preferable to error, and he is less remote from the *truth who believes nothing than he who believes what is wrong." * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *-- Thomas Jefferson Yes it is. |
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On Nov 9, 9:39*am, Jeff Findley wrote:
In article , says... Jeff Findley wrote: It is true that the likely cuase of the fire was a spark which ignighted the flammable coating on the outside of the Hindenburg. No, it isn't. Fine, there are several competing theories as to what caused the fire and you don't believe that a static discharge igniting the fabric is the likely culprit. * Perhaps you could agree that once the Hindenburg started burning, there were several flammable materials which would, and did, burn. *These include, but are not limited to, doped fabric skin, hydrogen, and diesel fuel? Jeff -- 42 Absolutely. Hydrogen was a contributing factor. |
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The First Step in Creating a Space Age - Treat Earth as a Planet
The point is hydrogen fueled and hydrogen filled balloons using modern
materials and methods are as safe as kerosene fueled jet liners or gasoline fueled automobiles. Explosions are possible, explosions will likely occur over time. The benefits outweigh the risks. Just as they do with gasoline and jet fuel http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w581BiSBzQA http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7cHoontLwIM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onjW36sxAqU |
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The First Step in Creating a Space Age - Treat Earth as a Planet
On 11/8/2010 6:41 AM, Jim Davis wrote:
William Mook wrote: We are contemplating 16 million airships carrying 40 tons each - 0.64 billion dead weight tons - having a cycle time of 2.25 days delivering delivering 140 billion tons of cargo per year - with far greater flexibility than is possible with sea going ships. How long do you imagine it would take to build 16 million airships? Look on the bright side; that many airships flying around would create a noticeable drop in sunlight hitting the Earth's surface by their shadows and combat global warming. ;-) An idea like that was actually proposed fairly recently - launching millions of chromed long-life balloons to very high altitude so that they would reflect sunlight back into space. Pat |
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On Nov 9, 3:42*pm, William Mook wrote:
On Nov 8, 2:11*pm, Brad Guth wrote: On Nov 8, 10:38*am, William Mook wrote: On Nov 7, 10:24*pm, Brad Guth wrote: On Nov 7, 5:26*pm, William Mook wrote: Earth as a planet means Earth treated as a single entity of production and consumption. *Which stands in marked contrast to treating Earth as a divided and fractious collection of 266 nations each on their own geopolitical position defined by their access or not to resources and defined by their ability to trick, cajole or force others to hand over what they need at the expense of the rest. It is clear that despite well defined limits and options we have not made good decisions related to the development of energy resources on this planet. It is likely we have not made good decisions related to the development of other primary resources as well. So, its worth thinking of a goal and determining if this goal is at all feasible! It turns out that it may be! 8 billion millionaires is one place to start. *Its a well defined target. *We find that to achieve this goal we need vastly more than is currently being produced in terms of food, energy, wood, metals, and so on. When, we look at what the entire planet has to offer we find that we have enough - surprisingly. In the end, we look at the Earth as we might look at a space colony - and we find that we have plenty of everything to go around - if we trouble ourselves to invest in the most productive infrastructure possible and apply it as broadly as possible leaving no one out. When we do this we find that approximately 800,000 sq km of solar collectors, 800,000 sq km of green houses in the desert, a few large water works programs, and careful management of 800,000 sq km of Taiga forest, combined with the development of a yet to be determined number of deep sea trenches - connected together with space based communications, space based navigation, space based sensing, and a network of hydrogen filled hydrogen fueled UAV - creates a system that achieves the initial target of 8 billion millionaires. From the productivity of this asset we can see how our economy might adopt it as a private public partnership - allocating what Ford calls efficiency bonuses to workers, management, investors, government, and buyers alike. This is all well and good, except for the usual part where William Mook does nothing. Motivating poor folks to do whatever they can't possibly afford to accomplish isn't exactly a working plan, and especially dysfunctional if there's no actual leadership by anyone other than yourself. *Do you even have a short list of who would be put in charge of what, and have any of them been contacted by you? *~ BG The 10 million millionaires have $40 trillion. *With the collapse of the US banking system and the imminent unraveling of the US monetary system they're looking for a place to put their money. *A few billion to build a 'production cell' that puts all the pieces together is the first step. *Then, building a factory that makes factories to make the things we need to live. *Like I said; * Five Years to Engineer and Develop * Five Years to build the supply chain * Five Years to build the products We start with 1 cell and grow it 100x over three years by building a production cell per year - of each type needed to support the supply chain. They are looking for a relatively failsafe and untaxable place to put their 40 trillion so that it turns into 80 trillion at the least possible overhead, and Mook hydrogen balloon cells for accomplishing global deforestation or those terrific satellite based energy notions to go along with your terrestrial conversion of solar energy into dirt cheap LH2 and LOx are probably not on any of their short lists, perhaps because they is heavily invested in the existing hydrocarbon and nuclear energy cartels as is. However, if you can manage to brake any of those trillions lose for whatever Mook contrived investments, I'm certainly not going to stand in your way. *I totally agree that we need to get our upper most wealthy loot reinvested into advanced technology, various productions of products, goods and especially energy that insures better long-term growth that's affordably clean and isn't restricted by government or faith-based policies that only get in the way and run up the cost of just about everything. *Any further delay is yet another cost that we can not afford. *~ BG Here is one scenario the board members at Exxon Mobil have on their books; The USA following a limited nuclear war in Asia before 2040 between the Hindus and the Muslims will be in an ideal position to take over ALL the world's nukes to secure world peace. *The USA will also benefit from the flight of capital from a post-nuclear Asia. *The world's population will be reduced to 4 billions by the war, and the demand for resources will be radically reduced. *Following a limited nuclear strike in Asia and a doubling of our background radiation, the USA will then be in a position to introduce high-temperature nuclear reactors using recycled nuclear materials gathered in the security operation immediately following the war. *These will be used to implement the BNL plan for high-temp breeder type nuclear reactors and move from energy at $500 per barrel to too cheap to meter within a half-century. *This will allow the major oil companies to retrieve all the value from their remaining oil and then give them special entree' to spend that money on the next big energy resource - the world's stockpile of nuclear weapons materials. Without pressing geopolitical needs present at the beginning of the nuclear era, a portion of this resource will be cycled into nuclear pulse spaceships which will be used to develop solar system resources and other things I speak of, with a 4 billion, largely white, largely Western, population. Then it's all good. We get our wish and the NWO tells each of us exactly what we can or can not do. It sounds like a perfect Mook and Semite world. ~ BG |
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