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EINSTEIN ZOMBIES CONFUSED ABOUT GRAVITATIONAL REDSHIFT
Relativity zombies are constantly looking for the truth but they are
confused by the fact that half of the hypnotists in Einstein criminal cult offer an interpretation of the gravitational redshift in terms of constant speed of light whereas the other half claims the speed of light is variable: http://www.astronomynotes.com/relativity/s4.htm "Prediction: light escaping from a large mass should lose energy---the wavelength must increase since the speed of light is constant. Stronger surface gravity produces a greater increase in the wavelength. This is a consequence of time dilation. Suppose person A on the massive object decides to send light of a specific frequency f to person B all of the time. So every second, f wave crests leave person A. The same wave crests are received by person B in an interval of time interval of (1+z) seconds. He receives the waves at a frequency of f/(1+z). Remember that the speed of light c = (the frequency f) (the wavelength L). If the frequency is reduced by (1+z) times, the wavelength must INcrease by (1+z) times: L_atB = (1+z) L_atA. In the doppler effect, this lengthening of the wavelength is called a redshift. For gravity, the effect is called a GRAVITATIONAL REDSHIFT." http://www.blazelabs.com/f-g-gcont.asp "The first confirmation of a long range variation in the speed of light travelling in space came in 1964. Irwin Shapiro, it seems, was the first to make use of a previously forgotten facet of general relativity theory -- that the speed of light is reduced when it passes through a gravitational field....Faced with this evidence, Einstein stated:"In the second place our result shows that, according to the general theory of relativity, the law of the constancy of the velocity of light in vacuo, which constitutes one of the two fundamental assumptions in the special theory of relativity and to which we have already frequently referred, cannot claim any unlimited validity. A curvature of rays of light can only take place when the velocity of propagation of light varies with position."......Today we find that since the Special Theory of Relativity unfortunately became part of the so called mainstream science, it is considered a sacrilege to even suggest that the speed of light be anything other than a constant. This is somewhat surprising since even Einstein himself suggested in a paper "On the Influence of Gravitation on the Propagation of Light," Annalen der Physik, 35, 1911, that the speed of light might vary with the gravitational potential. Indeed, the variation of the speed of light in a vacuum or space is explicitly shown in Einstein's calculation for the angle at which light should bend upon the influence of gravity. One can find his calculation in his paper. The result is c'=c(1+V/c^2) where V is the gravitational potential relative to the point where the measurement is taken. 1+V/c^2 is also known as the GRAVITATIONAL REDSHIFT FACTOR." A century of fierce investigation, both theoretical and experimental, has given nothing - the speed of light in a gravitational field continues to be both constant and variable. Zombies just need some more money - a few billions dollars for a start - and by the end of this century they will know whether the speed of light in a gravitational field is constant or variable. Of course, it may turn out hypnotists are right and the speed of light in a gravitational field is both constant and variable. More precisely, the speed of light in a gravitational field was still variable in the years 1911, 1912, 1913, 1914 but in 1915 or 1916 it became constant forever. That is the most reasonable explanation. Zombies just need money to confirm it. Pentcho Valev |
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EINSTEIN ZOMBIES CONFUSED ABOUT GRAVITATIONAL REDSHIFT
On 14 Aug, 09:29, Pentcho Valev wrote:
Relativity zombies are constantly looking for the truth but they are confused by the fact that half of the hypnotists in Einstein criminal cult offer an interpretation of the gravitational redshift in terms of constant speed of light whereas the other half claims the speed of light is variable: http://www.astronomynotes.com/relativity/s4.htm "Prediction: light escaping from a large mass should lose energy---the wavelength must increase since the speed of light is constant. Stronger surface gravity produces a greater increase in the wavelength. This is a consequence of time dilation. Suppose person A on the massive object decides to send light of a specific frequency f to person B all of the time. So every second, f wave crests leave person A. The same wave crests are received by person B in an interval of time interval of (1+z) seconds. He receives the waves at a frequency of f/(1+z). Remember that the speed of light c = (the frequency f) (the wavelength L). If the frequency is reduced by (1+z) times, the wavelength must INcrease by (1+z) times: L_atB = (1+z) L_atA. In the doppler effect, this lengthening of the wavelength is called a redshift. For gravity, the effect is called a GRAVITATIONAL REDSHIFT." http://www.blazelabs.com/f-g-gcont.asp "The first confirmation of a long range variation in the speed of light travelling in space came in 1964. Irwin Shapiro, it seems, was the first to make use of a previously forgotten facet of general relativity theory -- that the speed of light is reduced when it passes through a gravitational field....Faced with this evidence, Einstein stated:"In the second place our result shows that, according to the general theory of relativity, the law of the constancy of the velocity of light in vacuo, which constitutes one of the two fundamental assumptions in the special theory of relativity and to which we have already frequently referred, cannot claim any unlimited validity. A curvature of rays of light can only take place when the velocity of propagation of light varies with position."......Today we find that since the Special Theory of Relativity unfortunately became part of the so called mainstream science, it is considered a sacrilege to even suggest that the speed of light be anything other than a constant. This is somewhat surprising since even Einstein himself suggested in a paper "On the Influence of Gravitation on the Propagation of Light," Annalen der Physik, 35, 1911, that the speed of light might vary with the gravitational potential. Indeed, the variation of the speed of light in a vacuum or space is explicitly shown in Einstein's calculation for the angle at which light should bend upon the influence of gravity. One can find his calculation in his paper. The result is c'=c(1+V/c^2) where V is the gravitational potential relative to the point where the measurement is taken. 1+V/c^2 is also known as the GRAVITATIONAL REDSHIFT FACTOR." A century of fierce investigation, both theoretical and experimental, has given nothing - the speed of light in a gravitational field continues to be both constant and variable. Zombies just need some more money - a few billions dollars for a start - and by the end of this century they will know whether the speed of light in a gravitational field is constant or variable. Of course, it may turn out hypnotists are right and the speed of light in a gravitational field is both constant and variable. More precisely, the speed of light in a gravitational field was still variable in the years 1911, 1912, 1913, 1914 but in 1915 or 1916 it became constant forever. That is the most reasonable explanation. Zombies just need money to confirm it. Hypnotists in Einstein criminal cult know no limits in explaining the constancy/variability of the speed of light in a gravitational field: http://helios.gsfc.nasa.gov/qa_sp_gr.html "Is light affected by gravity? If so, how can the speed of light be constant? Wouldn't the light coming off of the Sun be slower than the light we make here? If not, why doesn't light escape a black hole? Yes, light is affected by gravity, but not in its speed. General Relativity (our best guess as to how the Universe works) gives two effects of gravity on light. It can bend light (which includes effects such as gravitational lensing), and it can change the energy of light. But it changes the energy by shifting the frequency of the light (gravitational redshift) not by changing light speed. Gravity bends light by warping space so that what the light beam sees as "straight" is not straight to an outside observer. The speed of light is still constant." Dr. Eric Christian http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physic..._of_light.html Steve Carlip: "Einstein went on to discover a more general theory of relativity which explained gravity in terms of curved spacetime, and he talked about the speed of light changing in this new theory. In the 1920 book "Relativity: the special and general theory" he wrote: . . . according to the general theory of relativity, the law of the constancy of the velocity of light in vacuo, which constitutes one of the two fundamental assumptions in the special theory of relativity [. . .] cannot claim any unlimited validity. A curvature of rays of light can only take place when the velocity of propagation of light varies with position. Since Einstein talks of velocity (a vector quantity: speed with direction) rather than speed alone, it is not clear that he meant the speed will change, but the reference to special relativity suggests that he did mean so. This interpretation is perfectly valid and makes good physical sense, but a more modern interpretation is that the speed of light is constant in general relativity." Note that Einstein's 1920 interpretation of VARIABLE speed of light is "perfectly valid and makes good physical sense", according to Steve Carlip. The problem is whether the gravitational redshift is consistent with THIS interpretation. Of course, "a more modern interpretation is that the speed of light is constant in general relativity" and the gravitational redshift could also be consistent with this second intepretation. Can the gravitational redshift be consistent with BOTH interpretations? If the formula frequency = (speed of light)/(wavelength) is correct, it CANNOT. But that is not a serious problem for the moment. Some day hypnotists may inform Einstein zombie world about their final solution to the problem. Before this day however new billions of dollars should be utilised by Einstein criminal cult. Pentcho Valev |
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EINSTEIN ZOMBIES CONFUSED ABOUT GRAVITATIONAL REDSHIFT
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EINSTEIN ZOMBIES CONFUSED ABOUT GRAVITATIONAL REDSHIFT
On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 23:29:12 -0700, Pentcho Valev
wrote: The result is c'=c(1+V/c^2) where V is the gravitational potential relative to the point where the measurement is taken. 1+V/c^2 is also known as the GRAVITATIONAL REDSHIFT FACTOR." So what? The proper time for a local observer will also follow t'= t (1+V/c^2) so measured locally inside the gravitational field the speed of light will still be c |
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EINSTEIN ZOMBIES CONFUSED ABOUT GRAVITATIONAL REDSHIFT
"nowhere" wrote in message ... : On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 23:29:12 -0700, Pentcho Valev : wrote: : : The result is c'=c(1+V/c^2) : where V is the gravitational potential relative to the point where the : measurement is taken. 1+V/c^2 is also known as the GRAVITATIONAL : REDSHIFT FACTOR." : : So what? : : The proper time for a local observer will also follow t'= t (1+V/c^2) : so measured locally inside the gravitational field the speed of light : will still be c HAHAHA! "But the ray moves relatively to the initial point of k, when measured in the stationary system, with the velocity c-v" -- Einstein. IDIOT! |
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EINSTEIN ZOMBIES CONFUSED ABOUT GRAVITATIONAL REDSHIFT
On Aug 14, 7:29 am, Pentcho Valev wrote:
Relativity zombies are constantly looking for the truth but they are confused by the fact that half of the hypnotists in Einstein criminal cult offer an interpretation of the gravitational redshift in terms of constant speed of light whereas the other half claims the speed of light is variable: http://www.astronomynotes.com/relativity/s4.htm"Prediction: light escaping from a large mass should lose energy---the wavelength must increase since the speed of light is constant. Stronger surface gravity produces a greater increase in the wavelength. This is a consequence of time dilation. Suppose person A on the massive object decides to send light of a specific frequency f to person B all of the time. So every second, f wave crests leave person A. The same wave crests are received by person B in an interval of time interval of (1+z) seconds. He receives the waves at a frequency of f/(1+z). Remember that the speed of light c = (the frequency f) (the wavelength L). If the frequency is reduced by (1+z) times, the wavelength must INcrease by (1+z) times: L_atB = (1+z) L_atA. In the doppler effect, this lengthening of the wavelength is called a redshift. For gravity, the effect is called a GRAVITATIONAL REDSHIFT." http://www.blazelabs.com/f-g-gcont.asp"The first confirmation of a long range variation in the speed of light travelling in space came in 1964. Irwin Shapiro, it seems, was the first to make use of a previously forgotten facet of general relativity theory -- that the speed of light is reduced when it passes through a gravitational field....Faced with this evidence, Einstein stated:"In the second place our result shows that, according to the general theory of relativity, the law of the constancy of the velocity of light in vacuo, which constitutes one of the two fundamental assumptions in the special theory of relativity and to which we have already frequently referred, cannot claim any unlimited validity. A curvature of rays of light can only take place when the velocity of propagation of light varies with position."......Today we find that since the Special Theory of Relativity unfortunately became part of the so called mainstream science, it is considered a sacrilege to even suggest that the speed of light be anything other than a constant. This is somewhat surprising since even Einstein himself suggested in a paper "On the Influence of Gravitation on the Propagation of Light," Annalen der Physik, 35, 1911, that the speed of light might vary with the gravitational potential. Indeed, the variation of the speed of light in a vacuum or space is explicitly shown in Einstein's calculation for the angle at which light should bend upon the influence of gravity. One can find his calculation in his paper. The result is c'=c(1+V/c^2) where V is the gravitational potential relative to the point where the measurement is taken. 1+V/c^2 is also known as the GRAVITATIONAL REDSHIFT FACTOR." A century of fierce investigation, both theoretical and experimental, has given nothing - the speed of light in a gravitational field continues to be both constant and variable. Zombies just need some more money - a few billions dollars for a start - and by the end of this century they will know whether the speed of light in a gravitational field is constant or variable. Of course, it may turn out hypnotists are right and the speed of light in a gravitational field is both constant and variable. More precisely, the speed of light in a gravitational field was still variable in the years 1911, 1912, 1913, 1914 but in 1915 or 1916 it became constant forever. That is the most reasonable explanation. Zombies just need money to confirm it. Pentcho Valev Yes the red shift of light, not the red shift of gravity. That is where some people get confused. Gravity is caused by the expansion of the universe, and thus the force of gravity has one direction like a ray, outward from the center of mass. Gravity has one pole. Figuratively speaking. You cannot make anti-gravity because you cannot reverse the direction of the universe. If for instance a black hole is created, the only time it would be into negative gravity would be during its creation, just like a supernova will blast the center of mass, back in time, the t axis being again, that direction outward from the center of mass so in the opposite direction, is the other pole of gravity. Except the universe is expanding and won't let anything go back that way. Unless it has sufficient mass to resist that expanding force. But eventually it will be overcome by that force, and even black holes explode. The largest explosion ever seen in space, is a black hole exploding, as a for instance. However, there is another component to gravity. The component that keeps the universe from collapsing. Two balloons expanding in the void, the space between them is shrinking, but waves of dark energy push them apart. Waves that are created as the balloons resist expansion, and so jerk out one Plank Length at a time, instead of a continuous growth, and as it jerks out, it sends a wave outward, through the quantum foam, at c, and that balances out the system like the cosmological constant. Those spherical waves of dark energy, are magnetism and they push against themselves and massive bodies. But since people associate magnetism only with magnetic metals, they tend to ignore all the other forms of magnetism, and they call the effects gravity. Well it is part of the gravitational system, but in truth, is not gravity. In a Newtonian world, gravity is like magnetism, but in the real world, magnetism is just one component of gravity. So when people make lifters, and they use a charge to defy gravity, defying gravity is not anti-gravity. Just like a jet defies gravity, but that isn't ant-gravity either. But you could say it was. And people say that when they use magnetism, to defy gravity, that that is anti-gravity but in truth you cannot defy the expansion of the universe without creating a nuclear explosion, that is what happens, when a mass, is prevented from expanding, it will explode. Even Bose Einstein condensate will do the Bosenova. So magnetism, is dark energy, you can't see it, it is dark, but when you bring two magnets together, you can feel it. Well all materials give off the same waves, but due to the enormous amount of background waves everywhere, you don't notice them, unless it is something like a static charge. Same thing. With magnetic metal objects, they are on their own channel, their own frequency which just happens to have little interference, from the other waves generated by the other elements. But gravity is not magnetism. |
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EINSTEIN ZOMBIES CONFUSED ABOUT GRAVITATIONAL REDSHIFT
On Wed, 15 Aug 2007 17:36:32 GMT, "Androcles"
wrote: "nowhere" wrote in message .. . : On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 23:29:12 -0700, Pentcho Valev : wrote: : : The result is c'=c(1+V/c^2) : where V is the gravitational potential relative to the point where the : measurement is taken. 1+V/c^2 is also known as the GRAVITATIONAL : REDSHIFT FACTOR." : : So what? : : The proper time for a local observer will also follow t'= t (1+V/c^2) : so measured locally inside the gravitational field the speed of light : will still be c The above is physically true. HAHAHA! "But the ray moves relatively to the initial point of k, when measured in the stationary system, with the velocity c-v" -- Einstein. This might only be mathematically true. Not sufficient. IDIOT! Cheers ! |
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EINSTEIN ZOMBIES CONFUSED ABOUT GRAVITATIONAL REDSHIFT
"nowhere" wrote in message ... : On Wed, 15 Aug 2007 17:36:32 GMT, "Androcles" : wrote: : : : "nowhere" wrote in message : .. . : : On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 23:29:12 -0700, Pentcho Valev : : wrote: : : : : The result is c'=c(1+V/c^2) : : where V is the gravitational potential relative to the point where the : : measurement is taken. 1+V/c^2 is also known as the GRAVITATIONAL : : REDSHIFT FACTOR." : : : : So what? : : : : The proper time for a local observer will also follow t'= t (1+V/c^2) : : so measured locally inside the gravitational field the speed of light : : will still be c : : : The above is physically true. : : : HAHAHA! : "But the ray moves relatively to the initial point of k, when measured in : the stationary system, with the velocity c-v" -- Einstein. : : This might only be mathematically true. Not sufficient. : : : IDIOT! : : Cheers ! Your stupidity and blind faith doesn't make you right, this is sufficient: http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonde...nac/Sagnac.htm |
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