Does Mars need women? Russians say no

Does Mars need women? Russians say no

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COMMENTARY

By James Oberg, NBC News space analyst

Special to MSNBC

Updated: 8:52 p.m. ET Feb. 11, 2005

Are women up to the job of exploring Mars?

This week, the director of Russia's top space medical institute told
students that only men should be allowed on the first mission to the Red
Planet, because women are too weak to endure the flight's rigors. His
comments once again exposed the internal contradictions of a country that
put the first woman into space while having the reputation of being the last
European bastion of male chauvinism.

After addressing students at Moscow International University, Professor
Anatoly Grigoryev elaborated in comments reported by Russia's RIA Novosti
news agency: "After all, women are fragile and delicate creatures; that is
why men should lead the way to distant planets and carry women there n their
strong hands."

Christopher wrote:
Jim Oberg wrote:

Does Mars need women? Russians say no

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/6955149/

COMMENTARY
By James Oberg, NBC News space analyst
Special to MSNBC
Updated: 8:52 p.m. ET Feb. 11, 2005

Are women up to the job of exploring Mars?

snipped

After addressing students at Moscow International
University, Professor Anatoly Grigoryev elaborated
in
comments reported by Russia's RIA Novosti news
agency:
"After all, women are fragile and delicate
creatures;
that is why men should lead the way to distant
planets
and carry women there n their strong hands."

Did he say it with a straight face?

Not according to the original article. But it doesn't
matter that it was put forth in a joking manner,
because he meant it, every single word.

Jim Oberg wrote:

Does Mars need women? Russians say no

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/6955149/

COMMENTARY

By James Oberg, NBC News space analyst

Special to MSNBC

Updated: 8:52 p.m. ET Feb. 11, 2005

Are women up to the job of exploring Mars?

This week, the director of Russia's top space medical institute told
students that only men should be allowed on the first mission to the Red
Planet, because women are too weak to endure the flight's rigors. His
comments once again exposed the internal contradictions of a country that
put the first woman into space while having the reputation of being the last
European bastion of male chauvinism.

After addressing students at Moscow International University, Professor
Anatoly Grigoryev elaborated in comments reported by Russia's RIA Novosti
news agency: "After all, women are fragile and delicate creatures; that is
why men should lead the way to distant planets and carry women there n their
strong hands."


I'm sure all the female factory workers, and military snipers during
WW II, will be quite interested in hearing this.

As would Shannon Lucid, with the second longest time in space of
anyone, doing it on *their* station...

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You know what to remove, to reply....

Working in a factory (like the ones where many Chinese female workers
work), sniping, living in micro-G enviroment and operating things do no
require a strong and resistant creature.

That's why even a computer is able to do those things. Or maybe you
think that women have the same intelligence, fragility, and
delicateness as a computer?


Frankly, I don't why some women wanted to do all of those hard works
when they can instead use men to do those things for them.

Maybe it's the sign of lack intelligence? Or the sign of being able to
be manipulated to rebel against a stable situtation to make into a
chaos situation? Or maybe both?

You decide.


Just remember the incident that took place at the Garden that is
located East of Eden?

Things went quite smoothly, until someone provocate a woman to ruin
things.



Personally, I'm against in putting a woman or two or more in a
spaceship to Mars with a crew of the majority of them are male. Unless
you are talking about a sending a WHOLE city or maybe a village into
Mars, if you want to to do it, do it community style.

There's a reason on why submarines never took women aboard when they
are doing their three months long mission.

One of the reasons of not doing it is not because the women aren't
capable, but because due to social tensions that will probably cause
major conflicts aboard the submarine.


Now... If you want to send as a ship to Mars with women aboard, I
suggest doing it with a father and daughters team. One father with his
daughters.

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Now... If you want to send as a ship to Mars with women aboard, I
suggest doing it with a father and daughters team. One father with his
daughters.



That could also lead to trouble; read up on Lot and his daughters
sometime. ;-)

Pat

On 12 Feb 2005 11:04:27 -0800
wrote:

Working in a factory (like the ones where many Chinese female workers
work), sniping, living in micro-G enviroment and operating things do
no require a strong and resistant creature.

But going to mars actually requires somebody physically small and able to live on smaller quantities of oxygen, food, etc.

More women would satisfy this requirement than men, so using Grigoryev's own argument it should be women going to Mars.

Being strong is handy sometimes, but you have to keep all that muscle tissue alive for the whole trip, and they are not exactly going to have to get out and push.

Even if I had the money to buy a ticket on Soyutz I couldn't go because I am 193 cm tall. I remember seeing an exhibition of Soviet space hardware here about 20 years ago. They had an early pressure suit on display and I wondered if it was a half size mock up. They must have searched the USSR for short, lightweight pilots to put into those early spacecraft.

Incidently I see a connection here with the thread on emergency return from a stranded shuttle at ISS. Do some people fly on shuttle who could never fit into a Soyutz seat?
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Michael Smith wrote in
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Incidently I see a connection here with the thread on emergency return
from a stranded shuttle at ISS. Do some people fly on shuttle who
could never fit into a Soyutz seat?

Yes. Good point!

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"Michael Smith" wrote in message
...

But going to mars actually requires somebody physically small and able to
live on smaller quantities of oxygen, food, etc.

It doesn't require any such thing, although it may make the spacecraft
cheaper.

On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 17:18:37 +0800, "Neil Gerace" wrote:

"Michael Smith" wrote in message
...

But going to mars actually requires somebody physically small and able to
live on smaller quantities of oxygen, food, etc.

It doesn't require any such thing, although it may make the spacecraft
cheaper.

Maybe personality filled monkeys?

Dale

"Dale" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 17:18:37 +0800, "Neil Gerace"
wrote:

"Michael Smith" wrote in message
...

But going to mars actually requires somebody physically small and able
to
live on smaller quantities of oxygen, food, etc.

It doesn't require any such thing, although it may make the spacecraft
cheaper.

Maybe personality filled monkeys?

"You used the M-word. The Librarian does not like the M-word. He likes you,
though."
"H-how do you know?"
"Your head is still on."