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"American" wrote in message
oups.com As if the trouble with intuition weren't enough, the logis- tics of placing large groups of scientists and engineers with- in a single US private industry shrinks as US bureaucracy cross-weans the technological trough (through validating the war effort, and thereby invalidating the potential transfer of technology to private industry). But the events on 9/11/01 should represent only a part of the paradigm shift of technology to international diplomacy. Such diplomacy provides for eco- nomic growth in terms of multinational energy, technology, trade, and commerce. The other part of the paradigm shift involves being a part of the new industrial revolution, but not at the expense of third world diplomacy or rogue nations. I totally agree, that the rich are seemingly working far less and still getting not only richer, but also becoming more and more powerful. China is most likely of what's going to kick off the most technological bang for our badly failing buck, with Russia not all that far behind. Global energy surplus has been perfectly doable via renewable resources. Only the pagan born-again liars like our resident LLPOF warlord(GW Bush) is standing in the way of such progress, and of global security that's affordable and kept at a dull roar. - Brad Guth -- Posted via Mailgate.ORG Server - http://www.Mailgate.ORG |
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Brad Guth wrote: "American" wrote in message oups.com As if the trouble with intuition weren't enough, the logis- tics of placing large groups of scientists and engineers with- in a single US private industry shrinks as US bureaucracy cross-weans the technological trough (through validating the war effort, and thereby invalidating the potential transfer of technology to private industry). But the events on 9/11/01 should represent only a part of the paradigm shift of technology to international diplomacy. Such diplomacy provides for eco- nomic growth in terms of multinational energy, technology, trade, and commerce. The other part of the paradigm shift involves being a part of the new industrial revolution, but not at the expense of third world diplomacy or rogue nations. I totally agree, that the rich are seemingly working far less and still getting not only richer, but also becoming more and more powerful. China is most likely of what's going to kick off the most technological bang for our badly failing buck, with Russia not all that far behind. Global energy surplus has been perfectly doable via renewable resources. Only the pagan born-again liars like our resident LLPOF warlord(GW Bush) is standing in the way of such progress, and of global security that's affordable and kept at a dull roar. - Brad Guth -- Posted via Mailgate.ORG Server - http://www.Mailgate.ORG Brad Guth wrote: Global energy surplus has been perfectly doable via renewable resources. Only the pagan born-again liars like our resident LLPOF warlord(GW Bush) is standing in the way of such progress, and of global security that's affordable and kept at a dull roar. When you mention GW Bush, you might as well include every single cabinet member, advisor, personal friend, associate, government employee, department, judiciary, etc., that are also under the control of at least 2/3 of the senate, congress, and judiciary. George Bush is no scapegoat for the "blame game" being perpetrated by the left, welfare statist, media spun, upwardly mobile "do-gooder" blood-thirsty, witchunting, minority, humanist, U.S. Arab Muslim cleric actively involved with perpetrating the forgiveness of sin with the shedding of innocent blood who would NEVER KNOW the original "Before Abraham was, I am" blood sacrifice of over 2,000 years ago! The Christ game is still being perpetrated to this day. George Bush is NOT Jesus Christ! Those who would like to play the blame game know nothing about the spirit of forgiveness, yet they continue to create "foaming seas of shame" in which to bury their religious paradigms in a newly created purgatory. George Bush is not dead. George Bush is this country's President. Please leave history's George Bush alone. The decision for freedom comes from within the soul of America - not the pocketbook, not the national news media. It's an awareness thing. It's a communication thing. It's a living spirit, and Almighty God is so much larger than that! The unbeliever can't grasp the concept of the resurrection, or the return, of the same Christ, so they must try to create one, in the name of George W. Bush, to which, although a believer, is not Christ. The last time I checked, I'm not Christ either. But there are many enemies of Christ everywhere, including our own national news media, and yes, our own military. The national news media needs Jesus Christ, first and foremost. Our planet is a created place. Why proclaim that it's the only one of its kind while leaving out the fact that a super-advanced (Godly?) civilization created it? Is it because that mediatricians would love to nurture our well-being into some kind of alternate reality while making us forget that there is actually a spiritual war being perpe- trated on our own turf? Must we be recreating a sea of forgetfulness in society so as to increase darkness, relativity, limitation, and ignorance? - Yet that is exactly what is happening when the truth goes unproclaimed. The "truth" is that there are so many "cornerstones" of applied science today that industry as a whole needs a makeover - not television, not radio, but industry - as in transportation, extraterrestrial resource development, military readiness, applied research and further development (so that those "cornerstone building blocks" of advanced technology can help to preserve the integrity of our species in the universe as we know it). I'm all for advanced propulsion technology and protection against exploring off-planet, i.e., extraterrestrial "envirohazards" both to our immune system and physical well-being. This is where the paradigm shift needs to occur. We're only rediscovering what our "progenitors" may have discovered eons ago, but we're definitely taking the right steps to preserve our species. We must continue to accept a greater responsibility for continued independence from the "fallen angels". Their time is coming, as prophesied long ago. We have the abundant resources to make the tools necessary to conquer ignorance at our disposal. The longer we wait, the greater the conflict, and the more "diluted" our efforts become by spiritual vultures, swine, moles, and - our own forgetfulness. |
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"American" wrote in message
oups.com When you mention GW Bush, you might as well include every single cabinet member, advisor, personal friend, associate, government employee, department, judiciary, etc., that are also under the control of at least 2/3 of the senate, congress, and judiciary. George Bush is no scapegoat for the "blame game" being perpetrated by the left, welfare statist, media spun, upwardly mobile "do- gooder" blood-thirsty, witchunting, minority, I totally agree. The problem is also extremely Jewish via Henry Kissinger and by way of those in support of that *******. Our brown-nosed "tomcat" isn't much better off, whereas his silly words often say one thing while his actions are 100+% going along with the flow of whatever our resident LLPOF warlord(GW Bush) spews from between his butt-cheeks. - Brad Guth -- Posted via Mailgate.ORG Server - http://www.Mailgate.ORG |
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Looks like our warm and fuzzy "tomcat" SSTO waverider spaceplane (in
spite of Usenet ****ology) is getting itself another touch closer to the finish line. Skylon SSTO http://www.reactionengines.co.uk/skylon_vehicle.html However, too bad even team Skylon still can't hardly think outside of their silly Lox/Lh2 box. Skylon is also too damn small, by a factor of being ten fold too small, although just about right for easily accomplishing Venus. - Brad Guth -- Posted via Mailgate.ORG Server - http://www.Mailgate.ORG |
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Brad Guth wrote:
Skylon SSTO http://www.reactionengines.co.uk/skylon_vehicle.html However, too bad even team Skylon still can't hardly think outside of their silly Lox/Lh2 box. For this engine, and for a horizontal takeoff, LH2 is very hard to beat. LH2 is light, and this reduces takeoff weight and permits smaller, lighter wings and undercarriage. Skylon is also too damn small, by a factor of being ten fold too small, It's good for passengers though. Should be relatively safe and the g-loading is low. Also the payload fraction is very high for a launch vehicle, and extremely high for a SSTO. There's no particular reason it can't be made bigger either. - Brad Guth |
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On 23 Dec 2006 08:39:20 -0800, in a place far, far away, "Ian
Woollard" made the phosphor on my monitor glow in such a way as to indicate that: Brad Guth wrote: Skylon SSTO http://www.reactionengines.co.uk/skylon_vehicle.html However, too bad even team Skylon still can't hardly think outside of their silly Lox/Lh2 box. For this engine, and for a horizontal takeoff, LH2 is very hard to beat. LH2 is light, and this reduces takeoff weight and permits smaller, lighter wings and undercarriage. LH2 is also extremely fluffy, requiring larger, heavier wings and tankage. |
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"Ian Woollard" wrote in message
oups.com For this engine, and for a horizontal takeoff, LH2 is very hard to beat. LH2 is light, and this reduces takeoff weight and permits smaller, lighter wings and undercarriage. As I said, lh2/lox is doable as long as the necessary volumes and the added infrastructure of unavoidable inert mass and subsequent aerodynamic drag are not factors. However h2o2/c3h4o or whatever best lights your h2o2 fire is way better energy density then any lh2/lox, at a fraction of the volume and only better yet if it had a laser cannon or possibly Rn ion beam blasting into the hearth and out the tailpipe. Skylon is also too damn small, by a factor of being ten fold too small, It's good for passengers though. Should be relatively safe and the g-loading is low. I agree that keeping the roar well under 2g-loading is important unless you run yourself out of fuel before obtaining LEO. Where's all the raw energy coming from in order to make, store and transport the necessary tonnes upon tonnes of lh2/lox ? Also the payload fraction is very high for a launch vehicle, and extremely high for a SSTO. Whatever's the payload ratio, w/o LRBs it isn't high enough, not even under the most efficient route to LEO. There's no particular reason it can't be made bigger either. I and "tomcat" would agree, that bigger is better. BTW; what's the reaction engine mass (all inclusive per engine) and of it's net usable continuous thrust? - Brad Guth -- Posted via Mailgate.ORG Server - http://www.Mailgate.ORG |
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"Rand Simberg" wrote in message
LH2 is also extremely fluffy, requiring larger, heavier wings and tankage. I totally agree, but try as you may for sharing that basic knowledge to either "tomcat" or team Skylon, in that each seem to have a secret and unlimited cash of LH2, and apparently hardly any cost for obtaining the likes of LO2. Obviously there's no further argument point, is there. - Brad Guth -- Posted via Mailgate.ORG Server - http://www.Mailgate.ORG |
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Brad Guth wrote:
"Rand Simberg" wrote in message LH2 is also extremely fluffy, requiring larger, heavier wings and tankage. I totally agree, but try as you may for sharing that basic knowledge to either "tomcat" or team Skylon, in that each seem to have a secret and unlimited cash of LH2, and apparently hardly any cost for obtaining the likes of LO2. Obviously there's no further argument point, is there. - Brad Guth In the Sabre engine the LH2 is used during the air-breathing part of the ascent to liquify the incoming air, so replacing the LH2 with something else is not a simple matter, and may not even be possible. Cost of fuel is not a major consideration in a project such as this. The main costs are development costs which have to be shared across the craft actually built, and the capital invested in each craft. Sylvia. |
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To Brad and Tomcat, et Al:
Brad Guth wrote: "Ian Woollard" wrote in message oups.com For this engine, and for a horizontal takeoff, LH2 is very hard to beat. LH2 is light, and this reduces takeoff weight and permits smaller, lighter wings and undercarriage. As I said, lh2/lox is doable as long as the necessary volumes and the added infrastructure of unavoidable inert mass and subsequent aerodynamic drag are not factors. However h2o2/c3h4o or whatever best lights your h2o2 fire is way better energy density then any lh2/lox, at a fraction of the volume and only better yet if it had a laser cannon or possibly Rn ion beam blasting into the hearth and out the tailpipe. Skylon is also too damn small, by a factor of being ten fold too small, It's good for passengers though. Should be relatively safe and the g-loading is low. I agree that keeping the roar well under 2g-loading is important unless you run yourself out of fuel before obtaining LEO. Where's all the raw energy coming from in order to make, store and transport the necessary tonnes upon tonnes of lh2/lox ? Also the payload fraction is very high for a launch vehicle, and extremely high for a SSTO. Whatever's the payload ratio, w/o LRBs it isn't high enough, not even under the most efficient route to LEO. There's no particular reason it can't be made bigger either. I and "tomcat" would agree, that bigger is better. BTW; what's the reaction engine mass (all inclusive per engine) and of it's net usable continuous thrust? - Brad Guth Sheriff Rawlings: Jeez, guys, that's what the Deputy would call an empirical question ... . Esteemed rockets, I'd say! Nice that heap of trash got down again! -- 'foolsrushin.' |
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