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  #21  
Old February 21st 10, 03:05 AM posted to sci.logic,alt.philosophy,sci.astro,sci.math
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Pentcho Valev wrote:
Theoretically, the null result of the Michelson-Morley experiment can
be obtained by assuming that:

(A) The speed of light varies with the speed of the light source (c'=c
+v); the principle of relativity is correct; there are no miracles
(length contraction, time dilation).

(B) Einstein's 1905 light postulate (c'=c) is correct; the principle
of relativity is correct; there are miracles (length contraction, time
dilation).

There is no reasonable third alternative. That is, Newton's emission
theory of light with its constitutive equation c'=c+v is the ONLY
alternative to special relativity. Moreover, the emission theory is
TRUE and special relativity FALSE unless one finds natural that a
long train can be trapped inside a short tunnel, an 80m long pole can
be trapped inside a 40m long barn and a bug can be both dead and
alive:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSRIy...related&search

http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physic...barn_pole.html
"These are the props. You own a barn, 40m long, with automatic doors
at either end, that can be opened and closed simultaneously by a
switch. You also have a pole, 80m long, which of course won't fit in
the barn. Now someone takes the pole and tries to run (at nearly the
speed of light) through the barn with the pole horizontal. Special
Relativity (SR) says that a moving object is contracted in the
direction of motion: this is called the Lorentz Contraction. So, if
the pole is set in motion lengthwise, then it will contract in the
reference frame of a stationary observer.....So, as the pole passes
through the barn, there is an instant when it is completely within the
barn. At that instant, you close both doors simultaneously, with your
switch. Of course, you open them again pretty quickly, but at least
momentarily you had the contracted pole shut up in your barn. The
runner emerges from the far door unscathed.....If the doors are kept
shut the rod will obviously smash into the barn door at one end. If
the door withstands this the leading end of the rod will come to rest
in the frame of reference of the stationary observer. There can be no
such thing as a rigid rod in relativity so the trailing end will not
stop immediately and the rod will be compressed beyond the amount it
was Lorentz contracted. If it does not explode under the strain and it
is sufficiently elastic it will come to rest and start to spring back
to its natural shape but since it is too big for the barn the other
end is now going to crash into the back door and the rod will be
trapped in a compressed state inside the barn."

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu.../bugrivet.html
"The bug-rivet paradox is a variation on the twin paradox and is
similar to the pole-barn paradox.....The end of the rivet hits the
bottom of the hole before the head of the rivet hits the wall. So it
looks like the bug is squashed.....All this is nonsense from the bug's
point of view. The rivet head hits the wall when the rivet end is just
0.35 cm down in the hole! The rivet doesn't get close to the
bug....The paradox is not resolved."

Pentcho Valev

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Old February 21st 10, 01:57 PM posted to sci.logic,alt.philosophy,sci.astro,sci.math
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On Feb 20, 5:52 pm, spudnik wrote:
I meant, as in (x,y,z;t). so,
how is it handled with Clifford algebras?

polysigned is a rather fuzzy stretch, considering that
"real" numbers (and scalars) do not actually need negatives,
either (which leads to p-adics .-)

thus:
well, it occurs to me,
that the impossibility -- though I suppose it was solved --
of the "thirteen balls around one" problem was that
it was an odd number; so, maybe trying ten or 14 is better,
given the symmetry of the ellipsoids. qua ellipses,
how about 4 aroound one?

in space, using ellipsoids (and either a)
eleven around one, or b)
13 around one, a la Newton's avoidance of the Harriot/Kepler's problem).


thus:-
rotating your yardstick to be "a lightyear's duration?"

quaternions already takes care of this "problem," because
time is a "0d" -- as you say -- scalar;
*all* of "4d" vector mechanics is in Hamilton's quaternions.


The quaternion is composed of four components. The scalar that you are
talking about is if we take
Real( q )
in the quaternions as we would take
Real( z )
in the complex numbers right? I really don't care for the way that the
word scalar has been confounded by the quaternion people. It used to
be that a scalar was a matter of factor; scaling. Anyway we have to
accept the term as they've chosen to use it, though I will make the
complaint as often as it gets used. There is no 0D interpretation on
the 'scalar' part of a quaternion. The distinction comes more because
of the utility of the remaining parts in performing 3D rotations.

I do appreciate your sticking my nose back into the quaternion and I
will perhaps get to some work with them or nearby to them. What would
be most impressive is to find them cropping up out of the polysign
construction, whereby the 'scalar' part might just take on the
qualities that you claim. Commutativity as a philosophy does not seem
very obvious to me. The noncommutative behavior does pose greater
structural complexity. Ultimately the product itself can be viewed as
a bizarre entity. Its behaviors are close to reality, just not quite
there yet. I agree whole-haeartedly with the spirit of the product as
rotational in nature, but the geometry of these spaces just is not a
direct match to reality.

I have no appreciation for the eggs problem or these ellipsoid
problems. I just don't get what you are after. If you want to discuss
it how about some motivation for it? Is it worth puzzling over that
concept in general dimension?

- Tim


anyway, orthogonality is indeed generalized to Nd in various ways, but
it just does not mean the same thing as in "(x,y,z;t)."

http://bandtechnology.com/PolySigned


thus:
death to the lightcone!

I rather like this term, "funky functional."


thus:
ah, the old exploded planet hypothesis;
even Kepler could have been wrong about *some* thing (although,
he was not, about most things:http://wlym.com.-)

--Another Flower for Einstein:http://www.21stcenturysciencetech.co.../Electrodynami...

--les OEuvres!http://wlym.com

--Stop Cheeny, Ricw & the ICC in Sudan;
no more Anglo-american quagmires!http://larouchepub.com/pr/2010/100204rice


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Old February 22nd 10, 06:30 PM posted to sci.logic,alt.philosophy,sci.astro,sci.math
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the only comment is that "the quaternion people" did
not do ahy thing to the scalar;
Gibbs took quaternions apart into two operations,
using all of the nomenclature.

thus:
well, if the microphone is your ear,
then it is commonplace observation;
two ears, you can even locate the emmitter, immediately.

thus:
so, what is the *same* about the waves & the particles?

thus:
NCLB/Come the Rapture; won't matter about Babel-on!
What's the "No Child Left Behind" *Alphabet*?


thus:
vous etes tres pathetique, monsieur Valev. comme-ca,
quelle es problematique avec dilation doo temps --
faites-vous supposez, cette est le meme chose a journe' een temps?

http://astronomy.ifrance.com/pages/g.../einstein.html
"Le deuxième test classique donne en revanche des inquiétudes.
Historiquement, pourtant, l'explication de l'avance du périhélie de
Mercure, proposé par Einstein lui-même, donna ses lettres de noblesse
à la relativité générale. Il s'agissait de comprendra pourquoi le
périhélie de Mercure ( le point de son orbite le plus proche du
soleil ) se déplaçait de 574 s d'arc par siècle. Certes, sur ces 574
s, 531 s'expliquaient par les perturbations gravitationnels dues aux
autres planètes. Mais restait 43 s, le fameux effet "périhélique "
inexpliqué par les lois de Newton. Le calcul relativiste d'Einstein
donna 42,98 s ! L'accord et si parfait qu'il ne laisse la place à
aucune discussion. Or depuis 1966, le soleil est soupçonné ne pas être
rigoureusement sphérique mais légèrement aplati à l'équateur. Une très
légère dissymétries qui suffirait à faire avancer le périhélie de
quelques secondes d'arc. Du coup, la preuve se transformerait en
réfutation puisque les 42,88 s du calcul d'Einstein ne pourrait pas
expliquer le mouvement réel de Mercure."

http://astronomy.ifrance.com/pages/g.../einstein.html
"Arthur Eddington , le premier en 1924, calculâtes théoriquement un
décalage 0,007% attendu la surface de Sirius mais avec des données
fausses à l'époque sur la masse et le rayon de l'étoile. L'année
suivante, Walter Adams mesurerait exactement ces 0.007%. Il s'avère
aujourd'hui que ces mesures , qui constituèrent pendant quarante ans
une "preuves" de la relativité, étaient largement "arrangée" tant
était grand le désir de vérifier la théorie d'Enstein. La véritable
valeur fut mesurée en 1965. Elle est de 0.03% car Sirius est plus
petite , et sont champ de gravitation est plus fort que ne le pensait
Eddington."


--les OEuvres!
http://wlym.com

--Stop Cheeny and Rice's 3rd British (ICC) Invasion of Sudan!
http://larouchepub.com/pr/2010/10020...sts_sudan.html
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Old February 23rd 10, 06:45 AM posted to sci.logic,alt.philosophy,sci.astro,sci.math
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According to Newton's emission theory of light, light signals
accelerate "as they traverse space and time in the presence of
gravitation" and this variation of the speed of light is the cause of
the gravitational redshift, in accordance with the formula:

(frequency) = (speed of light)/(wavelength)

Newton's emission theory of light implies that "THE GRAVITATIONAL RED
SHIFT DOES NOT ARISE FROM CHANGES IN THE INTRINSIC RATES OF CLOCKS",
that is, there is neither a real nor an apparent gravitational time
dilation:

http://www.amazon.com/Relativity-Its.../dp/0486406768
Banesh Hoffmann: "In an accelerated sky laboratory, and therefore also
in the corresponding earth laboratory, the frequence of arrival of
light pulses is lower than the ticking rate of the upper clocks EVEN
THOUGH ALL THE CLOCKS GO AT THE SAME RATE. (...) As a result the
experimenter at the ceiling of the sky laboratory will see with his
own eyes that the floor clock is going at a slower rate than the
ceiling clock - EVEN THOUGH, AS I HAVE STRESSED, BOTH ARE GOING AT THE
SAME RATE. (...) THE GRAVITATIONAL RED SHIFT DOES NOT ARISE FROM
CHANGES IN THE INTRINSIC RATES OF CLOCKS. It arises from what befalls
light signals as they traverse space and time in the presence of
gravitation."

Einstein's relativity is an inconsistency. Like Newton's emission
theory of light it involves variation of the speed of light in a
gravitational field but it also involves constancy of the speed of
light in a gravitational field with a REAL gravitational time dilation
as a consequence. In the latter case (REAL gravitational time
dilation) the gravitational reshshift can only "ARISE FROM CHANGES IN
THE INTRINSIC RATES OF CLOCKS":

http://www.universetoday.com/2010/02...e-stringently/
"This time it was the gravitational redshift part of General
Relativity; and the stringency? An astonishing better-than-one-part-
in-100-million! How did Steven Chu (US Secretary of Energy, though
this work was done while he was at the University of California
Berkeley), Holger Müler (Berkeley), and Achim Peters (Humboldt
University in Berlin) beat the previous best gravitational redshift
test... (...) Gravitational redshift is an inevitable consequence of
the equivalence principle that underlies general relativity. The
equivalence principle states that the local effects of gravity are the
same as those of being in an accelerated frame of reference. So the
downward force felt by someone in a lift could be equally due to an
upward acceleration of the lift or to gravity. Pulses of light sent
upwards from a clock on the lift floor will be redshifted when the
lift is accelerating upwards, meaning that this clock will appear to
tick more slowly when its flashes are compared at the ceiling of the
lift to another clock. Because there is no way to tell gravity and
acceleration apart, the same will hold true in a gravitational field;
in other words the greater the gravitational pull experienced by a
clock, or the closer it is to a massive body, the more slowly it will
tick."

http://arstechnica.com/science/news/...asurements.ars
"For example, if we synchronize two clocks, take one of them to the
top of a mountain for a while, and then bring it back to where the
other clock is, the clock that sat still will be running behind the
clock that was in the mountains - it was in a more accelerated frame,
and time passed more slowly there."

http://www.people.fas.harvard.edu/~djmorin/book.html
Chapter 14: "The equivalence principle has a striking consequence
concerning the behavior of clocks in a gravitational field. It implies
that higher clocks run faster than lower clocks. If you put a watch on
top of a tower, and then stand on the ground, you will see the watch
on the tower tick faster than an identical watch on your wrist. When
you take the watch down and compare it to the one on your wrist, it
will show more time elapsed."

Pentcho Valev wrote:

Theoretically, the null result of the Michelson-Morley experiment can
be obtained by assuming that:

(A) The speed of light varies with the speed of the light source (c'=c
+v); the principle of relativity is correct; there are no miracles
(length contraction, time dilation).

(B) Einstein's 1905 light postulate (c'=c) is correct; the principle
of relativity is correct; there are miracles (length contraction, time
dilation).

There is no reasonable third alternative. That is, Newton's emission
theory of light with its constitutive equation c'=c+v is the ONLY
alternative to special relativity. Moreover, the emission theory is
TRUE and special relativity FALSE unless one finds natural that a long
train can be trapped inside a short tunnel, an 80m long pole can be
trapped inside a 40m long barn and a bug can be both dead and alive:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSRIy...related&search

http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physic...barn_pole.html
"These are the props. You own a barn, 40m long, with automatic doors
at either end, that can be opened and closed simultaneously by a
switch. You also have a pole, 80m long, which of course won't fit in
the barn. Now someone takes the pole and tries to run (at nearly the
speed of light) through the barn with the pole horizontal. Special
Relativity (SR) says that a moving object is contracted in the
direction of motion: this is called the Lorentz Contraction. So, if
the pole is set in motion lengthwise, then it will contract in the
reference frame of a stationary observer.....So, as the pole passes
through the barn, there is an instant when it is completely within the
barn. At that instant, you close both doors simultaneously, with your
switch. Of course, you open them again pretty quickly, but at least
momentarily you had the contracted pole shut up in your barn. The
runner emerges from the far door unscathed.....If the doors are kept
shut the rod will obviously smash into the barn door at one end. If
the door withstands this the leading end of the rod will come to rest
in the frame of reference of the stationary observer. There can be no
such thing as a rigid rod in relativity so the trailing end will not
stop immediately and the rod will be compressed beyond the amount it
was Lorentz contracted. If it does not explode under the strain and it
is sufficiently elastic it will come to rest and start to spring back
to its natural shape but since it is too big for the barn the other
end is now going to crash into the back door and the rod will be
trapped in a compressed state inside the barn."

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu.../bugrivet.html
"The bug-rivet paradox is a variation on the twin paradox and is
similar to the pole-barn paradox.....The end of the rivet hits the
bottom of the hole before the head of the rivet hits the wall. So it
looks like the bug is squashed.....All this is nonsense from the bug's
point of view. The rivet head hits the wall when the rivet end is just
0.35 cm down in the hole! The rivet doesn't get close to the
bug....The paradox is not resolved."

Pentcho Valev

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Old February 23rd 10, 03:28 PM posted to sci.logic,alt.philosophy,sci.astro,sci.math
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On Feb 22, 1:30 pm, spudnik wrote:
the only comment is that "the quaternion people" did
not do ahy thing to the scalar;
Gibbs took quaternions apart into two operations,
using all of the nomenclature.

thus:
well, if the microphone is your ear,
then it is commonplace observation;
two ears, you can even locate the emmitter, immediately.

thus:
so, what is the *same* about the waves & the particles?

thus:
NCLB/Come the Rapture; won't matter about Babel-on!

What's the "No Child Left Behind" *Alphabet*?


thus:
vous etes tres pathetique, monsieur Valev. comme-ca,
quelle es problematique avec dilation doo temps --
faites-vous supposez, cette est le meme chose a journe' een temps?



http://astronomy.ifrance.com/pages/g.../einstein.html
"Le deuxième test classique donne en revanche des inquiétudes.
Historiquement, pourtant, l'explication de l'avance du périhélie de
Mercure, proposé par Einstein lui-même, donna ses lettres de noblesse
à la relativité générale. Il s'agissait de comprendra pourquoi le
périhélie de Mercure ( le point de son orbite le plus proche du
soleil ) se déplaçait de 574 s d'arc par siècle. Certes, sur ces 574
s, 531 s'expliquaient par les perturbations gravitationnels dues aux
autres planètes. Mais restait 43 s, le fameux effet "périhélique "
inexpliqué par les lois de Newton. Le calcul relativiste d'Einstein
donna 42,98 s ! L'accord et si parfait qu'il ne laisse la place à
aucune discussion. Or depuis 1966, le soleil est soupçonné ne pas être
rigoureusement sphérique mais légèrement aplati à l'équateur. Une très
légère dissymétries qui suffirait à faire avancer le périhélie de
quelques secondes d'arc. Du coup, la preuve se transformerait en
réfutation puisque les 42,88 s du calcul d'Einstein ne pourrait pas
expliquer le mouvement réel de Mercure."


http://astronomy.ifrance.com/pages/g.../einstein.html
"Arthur Eddington , le premier en 1924, calculâtes théoriquement un
décalage 0,007% attendu la surface de Sirius mais avec des données
fausses à l'époque sur la masse et le rayon de l'étoile. L'année
suivante, Walter Adams mesurerait exactement ces 0.007%. Il s'avère
aujourd'hui que ces mesures , qui constituèrent pendant quarante ans
une "preuves" de la relativité, étaient largement "arrangée" tant
était grand le désir de vérifier la théorie d'Enstein. La véritable
valeur fut mesurée en 1965. Elle est de 0.03% car Sirius est plus
petite , et sont champ de gravitation est plus fort que ne le pensait
Eddington."


--les OEuvres!http://wlym.com

--Stop Cheeny and Rice's 3rd British (ICC) Invasion of Sudan!http://larouchepub.com/pr/2010/10020...sts_sudan.html



Perhaps I stand corrected. There is this:

"The word scalar derives from the English word 'scale' for a range
of numbers, which in turn is derived from scala (Latin for 'ladder').
According to a citation in the Oxford English Dictionary the first
recorded usage of the term was by W. R. Hamilton in 1846, to refer to
the real part of a quaternion:
'The algebraically real part may receive, according to the
question in which it occurs, all values contained on the one scale of
progression of numbers from negative to positive infinity; we shall
call it therefore the scalar part.'"
- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scalar_(mathematics)

But the ordinary dictionary definition is
"Mathematics, Physics. a quantity possessing only magnitude."
- http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/scalar
and they list a latin usage of scalaris going back to 1656.

I think of the raw quality scalar as a magnitudinal factor; not
signed. It's just more mathematical word conflict. Still, it looks
like Hamilton coined a nice word, and then others took it away from
him. I have misused the word triality thinking it was a new word, but
see it is already in use within octonions. Can there be such a thing
as misuse on the first use? I think so, and I do prefer the dictionary
version of scalar, and further Hamilton's own distinction quoted above
is not a distinction at all. The quaternion composition is of four
scalars from his own wording. He never did generalize sign, but he was
awfully close. Then triality probably would have had the correct first
usage.

- Tim
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Old February 25th 10, 04:01 AM posted to sci.logic,alt.philosophy,sci.astro,sci.math
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there was no contradiction between the latin and Hamilton,
since the standard scale is just a balance between two weights.

Hamilton created vector mechanics, but
what in Hell is Polysigns good for?

thus:
I vote for putting sonar & radar on the trainlaunched rocket;
what will it cost, and how superpredictable are the results?

thus:
it's just a matter of time before a big one, or
"one's turn" for it; responsible forecasts use big percentages
(from the USGS e.g. .-)

I have to get on the local Rep's case about cap&trade, although
it would certainly slow down any such tectonic fall-out
of carbon dioxide. (we just need a small tax on carbon,
I guess.)

--les OEuvres!
http://wlym.com

--Stop Cheeny, Rice and the ICC's third British invasion of Sudan!
http://larouchepub.com
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Old February 27th 10, 12:17 AM posted to sci.logic,alt.philosophy,sci.astro,sci.math
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Hamilton created vector mechanics, but


thus:
the UNIPCC has been continuously self-culled
of anyone who dysagrees with the thesis of "global" warming,
largely based upon computerized simulacra & selective reporting;
I know of no dataset that actually shows "global" warming, although
I think that there is equatorial warming.

rather, I know of several datasests that show temperate-zone cooling.

're just not entirely clear just how bad the future will look.


thus:
I'm not a Larouchiac, these days, but
their research is good, in showing that Marx
was far too heavily influenced by the so-called capitalism
of Adam Smith, as his "thesis," and
who was himself trained at Hailyborough College; eh?
both were contemporaries of the American Revolution,
which was fought against British Liberal Free Trade (at any rate,
_The Wealth of Nations_ was published in 1776).

read more »


thus:
"all [of] their creeds are an admonition in [JS's] sight"
-- I like it, but waht did he mean in the context
of _The Pearl of [that] Price_??

thus:
so, what is this "diode" supposed to be connected to?

3) Diamond has a negative electron work function into vacuum.
4) Osmium has a 5.92 eV electron work function into vacuum.
US Pat. 5283501
Chem. Mater. 20(21) 6871 (2008)
Diamond and Related Materials, 15(11-12) 2082 (2006)
Electron Comm Jpn Pt 2, 82(8) 42 (1999)


http://www.bloomenergy.com/products/...ide-fuel-cell/


thus:
that is an "H2," you say, with 100mpg using *what* kind of engine?...
the Bradley fughting Vehicles was said to be big peice of ****
by the military, then GM sold it to us as a SUV via the pre-
Governeurateur!
so, what is the sustainable rate of "fossilized (TM)" fuel
production,
anyway?... or, what is the "current" rate of its production?

--les OEUvres!
http://wlym.com

--Stop Cheeny, Rice, Pendergast and the ICC's 3rd British invasion of
Sudan!
http://larouchepub.com
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Old March 1st 10, 01:59 PM posted to sci.logic,alt.philosophy,sci.astro,sci.math
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On Feb 24, 11:01 pm, spudnik wrote:
there was no contradiction between the latin and Hamilton,
since the standard scale is just a balance between two weights.

Hamilton created vector mechanics, but
what in Hell is Polysigns good for?


Polysign develop the complex number(P3) as a natural member of the
same family as the real number(P2). Beneath these lays a very simple
but perplexing P1, which is unidirectional and zero dimensional, just
as time is. Beyond these three low members lay the others
P1 P2 P3 ! P4 P5 ...
all of which are algebraically well behaved, but the familiar behavior
| A B | = | A || B |
does break in P4+. Thus polysign has natural support for spacetime
with unidirectional time. Even if higher dimension enters into the
physics, the support for spacetime can remain, and that support is via
a distance concept, which is very much how we come to believe that we
exist in a 3D space. Polysign suggests that spacetime is
P1 P2 P3 .
Though there are other ways of construing the progression, this is the
simplest form.

Polysign are vector spaces, but they also have an arithmetic product.
Making sense of the product is counterintuitive. I have yet to develop
a clean physics from polysign. It is very promising though.
Electromagnetics is a feature of spacetime itself. Structured
spacetime is the next great paradigm. Here we can land back in the
context of the quaternion, or lend support to the brane theories
through polysigns dimensional progression. I would like to take
physics into polysign, where spacetime is emergent.

As to the LaRouche site: I have spent a little bit of time there,
mostly in their mathematical reviews. In terms of economics I am a
technologist, which is to say that technology is the more fundamental
of the two, and will always have to be the consideration of economics,
beyond the human being, which lays even deeper in the theoretical
structure.

I enjoy cryptics, but your stuff is too far out for me. You should try
to cohere more. I have no hope of getting it. Try to give away a
little more. Even the most coherent information can seem cryptic. Too
bad Pentcho will not speak with me about my claim on the tensor
misuse. I can take that as evidence.

- Tim


thus:
I vote for putting sonar & radar on the trainlaunched rocket;
what will it cost, and how superpredictable are the results?

thus:
it's just a matter of time before a big one, or
"one's turn" for it; responsible forecasts use big percentages
(from the USGS e.g. .-)

I have to get on the local Rep's case about cap&trade, although
it would certainly slow down any such tectonic fall-out
of carbon dioxide. (we just need a small tax on carbon,
I guess.)

--les OEuvres!http://wlym.com

--Stop Cheeny, Rice and the ICC's third British invasion of Sudan!http://larouchepub.com


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Old March 3rd 10, 11:03 PM posted to sci.logic,alt.philosophy,sci.astro,sci.math
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that is the idea; teh scalar is "zero-dee & time-like,"
as in Lanczos use of it for SR; every thing else
abouit polysings is rather "cryptical," but
Pentcho is not going to reply to a God-am word,
in any case; probably just a scheme
for making free money on the net.

Polysign are vector spaces, but they also have an arithmetic product.
Making sense of the product is counterintuitive. I have yet to develop
a clean physics from polysign. It is very promising though.
Electromagnetics is a feature of spacetime itself. Structured
spacetime is the next great paradigm. Here we can land back in the
context of the quaternion, or lend support to the brane theories
through polysigns dimensional progression. I would like to take
physics into polysign, where spacetime is emergent.


thus:
are you imaginng the "pulses of light" to be photons?

thus:
yeah, like the UNIPCC *says* that it includes a fudge-factor
to account for "urban heat islands," but it never seems
to appear to be used in any actual study (in general). also,
this is belied by what happenned to a mere dataset,
the US Reference Climate Network (28 continental stations
that were still rural since their creation, circa '80s .-)

That at least helps, but to avoid one common objection, he should also
avoid stations in areas that have become more urbanized during the
period in question.


thus:
that was a nice essay on bears!... of course,
there are more polar bears, now, then in the past 40 years
-- I think, I read, some recent time -- perhaps because
there are more "eskimos" (Inuit, BP employees etc.) and more gahbage;
do bears really like gahbage?

as for AGW, or just GW, or let me put it as,
as for "global" warming, that is primarily one of three things,
based mainly upon a)
computerized simulacra and b)
very selective reporting. (the three things are a)
misnomer, b)
nonsequiter, c)
oxymoron, although there does appear
to be actual data to support equitorial warming,
possibly even anthropogenic equitorial warming.)

what I prefer is a new nomenclature;
not only do we live in the Holocene interglacial
of the Quaternary period, but
we also live in the Anthropocene.

I'm not actually a fan of most of the positions taken by the Sierra
Club, but AGW happens to be the mainstream consensus of the scientific
community. You know, like relativity or evolution.


thus:
isn't the platypus a nonplacental mammal, as in,
What does her milk taste like?... please, don't bother
with the pro-hominemania of your supposed status
as a practicing and/or trained physicist, or netdoggy!

proabably most of the interpretation of the EPR "paradox" results,
a la Alain Aspect et al, is due to the ideal of a photon, in assinging
all
of the energy of the wave-front as a "mass" (electron-voltage, say)
of a particle, whence the wave-energy was somehow collected
by the photoeletrical device. here are two ways to get over this: a)
just consider the practice of audio quantization, the phonon; b)
show how the photoelectrical device is actually tuned
to absorb a particular frequency of light.

so, is the "phonon" just one cycle of the period of the sound, and
like-wise, is the photon just one cycle of the frequency?

with 'Heat is radiated by photons'. What is physically occurring in
nature to cause 'heat' to exist and to be radiated? None of that is
answered with meaningless statements like 'Absorbed photon'. What does


--Light: A History!
http://wlym.com

--Weber's electron, Moon's nucleus!
http://www.21stcenturysciencetech.com/

--The Ides of March Are Coming:
Pro-Impeachment Democrat
Wins Nomination in Texas!
http://larouchepub.com/pr_lar/2010/l...a_victory.html
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On Mar 3, 3:03*pm, spudnik wrote:
that is the idea; teh scalar is "zero-dee & time-like,"
as in Lanczos use of it for SR; every thing else
abouit polysings is rather "cryptical," but
Pentcho is not going to reply to a God-am word,
in any case; probably just a scheme
for making free money on the net.

Polysign are vector spaces, but they also have an arithmetic product.
Making sense of the product is counterintuitive. I have yet to develop
a clean physics from polysign. It is very promising though.
Electromagnetics is a feature of spacetime itself. Structured
spacetime is the next great paradigm. Here we can land back in the
context of the quaternion, or lend support to the brane theories
through polysigns dimensional progression. I would like to take
physics into polysign, where spacetime is emergent.


thus:
are you imaginng the "pulses of light" *to be photons?

thus:
yeah, like the UNIPCC *says* that it includes a fudge-factor
to account for "urban heat islands," but it never seems
to appear to be used in any actual study (in general). *also,
this is belied by what happenned to a mere dataset,
the US Reference Climate Network (28 continental stations
that were still rural since their creation, circa '80s .-)

That at least helps, but to avoid one common objection, he should also
avoid stations in areas that have become more urbanized during the
period in question.


thus:
that was a nice essay on bears!... *of course,
there are more polar bears, now, then in the past 40 years
-- I think, I read, some recent time -- perhaps because
there are more "eskimos" (Inuit, BP employees etc.) and more gahbage;
do bears really like gahbage?

as for AGW, or just GW, or let me put it as,
as for "global" warming, that is primarily one of three things,
based mainly upon a)
computerized simulacra and b)
very selective reporting. *(the three things are a)
misnomer, b)
nonsequiter, c)
oxymoron, although there does appear
to be actual data to support equitorial warming,
possibly even anthropogenic equitorial warming.)

what I prefer is a new nomenclature;
not only do we live in the Holocene interglacial
of the Quaternary period, but
we also live in the Anthropocene.

I'm not actually a fan of most of the positions taken by the Sierra
Club, but AGW happens to be the mainstream consensus of the scientific
community. You know, like relativity or evolution.


thus:
isn't the platypus a nonplacental mammal, as in,
What does her milk taste like?... *please, don't bother
with the pro-hominemania of your supposed status
as a practicing and/or trained physicist, or netdoggy!

proabably most of the interpretation of the EPR "paradox" results,
a la Alain Aspect et al, is due to the ideal of a photon, in assinging
all
of the energy of the wave-front as a "mass" *(electron-voltage, say)
of a particle, whence the wave-energy was somehow collected
by the photoeletrical device. *here are two ways to get over this: a)
just consider the practice of audio quantization, the phonon; b)
show how the photoelectrical device is actually tuned
to absorb a particular frequency of light.

so, is the "phonon" just one cycle of the period of the sound, and
like-wise, is the photon just one cycle of the frequency?

with 'Heat is radiated by photons'. What is physically occurring in
nature to cause 'heat' to exist and to be radiated? None of that is
answered with meaningless statements like 'Absorbed photon'. What does


--Light: A History!http://wlym.com

--Weber's electron, Moon's nucleus!http://www.21stcenturysciencetech.com/

--The Ides of March Are Coming:
Pro-Impeachment Democrat
Wins Nomination in Texas!http://larouchepub.com/pr_lar/2010/l...a_victory.html


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