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Old December 28th 08, 09:57 PM posted to sci.space.policy
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Jews and the Gaza holocaust


Gaza Holocaust / vidéo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGBl-...eature=related

In June, 1942, in reprisal for the assassination of the Nazi commander
Reinhard Heydrich, the Germans carried out a murderous rampage of
murder and terror throughout Czechoslovakia. The small Czech village
of Lidice bore the brunt of the German revenge, with the SS killing
all the men, deported all women and children and razed the village to
the ground.


Similarly, in March 1944, thirty-three German soldiers were killed
when members of an Italian resistance group set off a bomb close to a
column of German troops who were marching on via Rasella in Rome.
Adolph Hitler got furious and ordered that within 24 hours, ten
Italians were to be shot for each German soldier that had been killed.
Herbert Kappler, the local German commander, quickly compiled a list
of 320 civilians who were to be assassinated as vengeance. On March
24, the victims were transported to the Ardeatine caves where they
were summarily executed by the SS.


Numerous other ‘pacification operations’ were carried out by the Nazi
armies against civilians throughout Nazi-occupied Europe, in which
men, women and children were brutally killed to avenge the death of
German occupation soldiers by local resistance fighters.


Now what is the difference between these Nazi atrocities and what
Israel, the “only democracy in the Middle East” is doing in the Gaza
Strip, where “the most moral army in the world” is slaughtering babies
as young as six-months’ old? I know that many Jews, especially Zionist
Jews, have developed almost instinctive knee- jerk defensive reactions
to any comparisons between Israel and Nazi Germany. However, the truth
must be proclaimed aloud, irrespective of how many Zionists will get
angry.


Israel claims that it doesn’t murder innocent civilians deliberately.
But this is a big, obscene lie, of which even most Israelis are aware.
Mistakes happen a few times, but when the wanton slaughter of children
occurs each day and every day of the year, it means it is policy.

In addition, when the number of victims, especially innocent victims,
as in Gaza, even intent itself becomes irrelevant.


In the final analysis, murdering knowingly is murdering deliberately,
regardless of the prevarication and the verbal juggling.


Hence, Jews around the world, especially those who support Israel,
should be willing to bring themselves to recognizing that what their
wonderful state is doing to these helpless Palestinians is a virtual
holocaust or at least a holocaust in the making.


How else can any honest person relate to these phantasmagoric images
that keep coming from Gaza, haunting the conscience of every human
being?


True, Israel had not introduced gas chambers in Beit Hanun and Khan
Younis or Rafah. But we have F-16s raining down bombs and death on
sleeping children and women and innocent civilians.


If Jews who support this satanic entity are not willing to call the
spade a spade and recognize a holocaust as a holocaust, then they
should be viewed as active accomplices in this wanton rampage of
murder and terror.


This is not a war. Calling the current Israeli onslaught on Gaza a war
is like fornicating with words. Wars occur between armies and states.


What is happening in Gaza is actually a merciless and brutal rampage
of murder and terror waged by a Wehrmacht-like army against a
blockaded, beleaguered and starved people who want to survive and be
free, very much like Jews did under the Nazi occupation of Europe.


Indeed, when Israel murders a hundred Palestinian, mostly innocent
civilians, for every Israeli killed, there is a name for that, it is
massacre.


It is conscionable that honest people around the world, including many
conscientious Jews who can’t bear watching the heinous crimes Israel
is committing in their collective name, must call the spade a spade. A
holocaust, after all, doesn’t become lesser when perpetrated by Jews.
There is no such a thing as a kosher holocaust or kosher massacres.
Vilnai

Now, once again, human decency is being affronted and insulted by this
reptile terrorist Matan Vilnai, Israel’s deputy defense minister, who
has gone as far as threatening the thoroughly tormented Gazans with a
holocaust.

Speaking to the Israeli army radio Friday morning, 29 February, Vilnai
said “the more Qassam rockets fire intensifies and the rockets reach a
longer range, the Palestinians will bring upon themselves a bigger
holocaust because we will use all our power to defend ourselves.”

Well, if Israel thinks that carrying out a holocaust against its
victims in Gaza and Rafah and Khan Younis can be justified, then why
blame Hitler for effecting a holocaust against his own respective
enemies? Is Vilnai vindicating the holocaust?


I think Jews should realize that this criminal state, with its
manifestly intransigence and bellicosity, is forcing them to make a
moral judgment. In the face of evil, and Israel is a clear embodiment
of evil, one can’t be neutral. It is either one stands with evil or
stands against it.

Today, people around the world, including millions of Jews, are
watching the pornographic slaughter in Gaza live on their TV screens.
And no amount of spin, lie, or hasbara will make the images of
mutilated babies look innocuous.

Finally, the people of the world will not be duped by the
propagandistic lies about so-called rocket attacks on Israeli towns,
which are meant first and foremost to create an artificial equation
between the wanton extermination of Gazans and the mainly
psychological discomfort experienced by some Israeli citizens as a
result of the fall of these nearly innocuous fire-crackers, fired by
some desperate Gazans in order to deter Israel from killing more of
their children.

This is because Israel knows very well how calm and peace can be
restored for both the people of Gaza and Israelis across the border:
Lift the criminal siege on Gaza, allow Gazans to access food and to
travel, allow them to export and import, and stop these daily
massacres. And then not a single Qassam will be fired onto Israel.
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Old December 28th 08, 10:38 PM posted to sci.space.policy
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On Sun, 28 Dec 2008 12:57:48 -0800 (PST), in a place far, far away,
mariam made the phosphor on my monitor glow in
such a way as to indicate that:

snip off-topic lunacy

Now what is the difference between these Nazi atrocities and what
Israel, the “only democracy in the Middle East” is doing in the Gaza
Strip, where “the most moral army in the world” is slaughtering babies
as young as six-months’ old? I know that many Jews, especially Zionist
Jews, have developed almost instinctive knee- jerk defensive reactions
to any comparisons between Israel and Nazi Germany. However, the truth
must be proclaimed aloud, irrespective of how many Zionists will get
angry.


Israel claims that it doesn’t murder innocent civilians deliberately.
But this is a big, obscene lie, of which even most Israelis are aware.
Mistakes happen a few times, but when the wanton slaughter of children
occurs each day and every day of the year, it means it is policy.


Hamas is engaging in ongoing war crimes by carrying out military
operations using civilians as human shields. This is in violation of
the Geneva Conventions. Any civilians killed, including children, as
a result of Israel taking out missile bases that have been attacking
them relentlessly from civilian areas in Gaza are on Hamas' head.

snip more off-topic lunacy
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Old December 28th 08, 10:55 PM posted to sci.space.policy
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Default Jews and the Gaza holocaust

mariam wrote:
Jews and the Gaza holocaust


Gaza Holocaust / vid�o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGBl-...eature=related

In June, 1942, in reprisal for the assassination of the Nazi commander
Reinhard Heydrich, the Germans carried out a murderous rampage of
murder and terror throughout Czechoslovakia. The small Czech village
of Lidice bore the brunt of the German revenge, with the SS killing
all the men, deported all women and children and razed the village to
the ground.


Similarly, in March 1944, thirty-three German soldiers were killed
when members of an Italian resistance group set off a bomb close to a
column of German troops who were marching on via Rasella in Rome.
Adolph Hitler got furious and ordered that within 24 hours, ten
Italians were to be shot for each German soldier that had been killed.
Herbert Kappler, the local German commander, quickly compiled a list
of 320 civilians who were to be assassinated as vengeance. On March
24, the victims were transported to the Ardeatine caves where they
were summarily executed by the SS.


Numerous other �pacification operations� were carried out by the Nazi
armies against civilians throughout Nazi-occupied Europe, in which
men, women and children were brutally killed to avenge the death of
German occupation soldiers by local resistance fighters.


Now what is the difference between these Nazi atrocities and what
Israel, the �only democracy in the Middle East� is doing in the Gaza
Strip, where �the most moral army in the world� is slaughtering babies
as young as six-months� old? I know that many Jews, especially Zionist
Jews, have developed almost instinctive knee- jerk defensive reactions
to any comparisons between Israel and Nazi Germany. However, the truth
must be proclaimed aloud, irrespective of how many Zionists will get
angry.


Israel claims that it doesn�t murder innocent civilians deliberately.
But this is a big, obscene lie, of which even most Israelis are aware.
Mistakes happen a few times, but when the wanton slaughter of children
occurs each day and every day of the year, it means it is policy.

In addition, when the number of victims, especially innocent victims,
as in Gaza, even intent itself becomes irrelevant.


In the final analysis, murdering knowingly is murdering deliberately,
regardless of the prevarication and the verbal juggling.


Hence, Jews around the world, especially those who support Israel,
should be willing to bring themselves to recognizing that what their
wonderful state is doing to these helpless Palestinians is a virtual
holocaust or at least a holocaust in the making.


How else can any honest person relate to these phantasmagoric images
that keep coming from Gaza, haunting the conscience of every human
being?


True, Israel had not introduced gas chambers in Beit Hanun and Khan
Younis or Rafah. But we have F-16s raining down bombs and death on
sleeping children and women and innocent civilians.


If Jews who support this satanic entity are not willing to call the
spade a spade and recognize a holocaust as a holocaust, then they
should be viewed as active accomplices in this wanton rampage of
murder and terror.


This is not a war. Calling the current Israeli onslaught on Gaza a war
is like fornicating with words. Wars occur between armies and states.


What is happening in Gaza is actually a merciless and brutal rampage
of murder and terror waged by a Wehrmacht-like army against a
blockaded, beleaguered and starved people who want to survive and be
free, very much like Jews did under the Nazi occupation of Europe.


Indeed, when Israel murders a hundred Palestinian, mostly innocent
civilians, for every Israeli killed, there is a name for that, it is
massacre.


It is conscionable that honest people around the world, including many
conscientious Jews who can�t bear watching the heinous crimes Israel
is committing in their collective name, must call the spade a spade. A
holocaust, after all, doesn�t become lesser when perpetrated by Jews.
There is no such a thing as a kosher holocaust or kosher massacres.
Vilnai

Now, once again, human decency is being affronted and insulted by this
reptile terrorist Matan Vilnai, Israel�s deputy defense minister, who
has gone as far as threatening the thoroughly tormented Gazans with a
holocaust.

Speaking to the Israeli army radio Friday morning, 29 February, Vilnai
said �the more Qassam rockets fire intensifies and the rockets reach a
longer range, the Palestinians will bring upon themselves a bigger
holocaust because we will use all our power to defend ourselves.�

Well, if Israel thinks that carrying out a holocaust against its
victims in Gaza and Rafah and Khan Younis can be justified, then why
blame Hitler for effecting a holocaust against his own respective
enemies? Is Vilnai vindicating the holocaust?


I think Jews should realize that this criminal state, with its
manifestly intransigence and bellicosity, is forcing them to make a
moral judgment. In the face of evil, and Israel is a clear embodiment
of evil, one can�t be neutral. It is either one stands with evil or
stands against it.

Today, people around the world, including millions of Jews, are
watching the pornographic slaughter in Gaza live on their TV screens.
And no amount of spin, lie, or hasbara will make the images of
mutilated babies look innocuous.

Finally, the people of the world will not be duped by the
propagandistic lies about so-called rocket attacks on Israeli towns,
which are meant first and foremost to create an artificial equation
between the wanton extermination of Gazans and the mainly
psychological discomfort experienced by some Israeli citizens as a
result of the fall of these nearly innocuous fire-crackers, fired by
some desperate Gazans in order to deter Israel from killing more of
their children.

This is because Israel knows very well how calm and peace can be
restored for both the people of Gaza and Israelis across the border:
Lift the criminal siege on Gaza, allow Gazans to access food and to
travel, allow them to export and import, and stop these daily
massacres. And then not a single Qassam will be fired onto Israel.


In Usenet/newsgroups it’s common anti-intellectual or infowar practice
to topic/author stalk and bash for all it’s worth. It’s kind of like
arriving in the middle of a food fight, whereas it doesn’t matter how
hungry you or anyone else is, or how much effort or investment you’ve
put into preparing whatever food that’s yours, as you’re supposed to
just start tossing it every which way. The Guth food fighting lose
cannon however isn’t phased by all the incoming flack, perhaps because
I happen to know more truth than most.

It seems pretty damn obviously which groups are not policing their own
kind, including Palestinians that seem to be unable to ever forgive
and forget, along with the false flag of Hamas only making each and
every situation worse than it needs to be.

If this world has to be dominated by a given faith-based group, I hope
it's not any of the top 4 or 10 that seem nearly always at war or
deeply backing some handy warlord that's good at kicking those butts
of some other faith. Perhaps I simply didn't realize the extent of
faith-based hate, bigotry and racism (even within their own kind) as
having such devout favor returning debauchery as their God has
obviously intended.

Apparently, their idea of heaven is war, even if it takes a few false
flag efforts.

~ BG
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Old December 28th 08, 11:01 PM posted to sci.space.policy
BradGuth
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Default Jews and the Gaza holocaust

On Dec 28, 1:38*pm, (Rand Simberg)
wrote:
On Sun, 28 Dec 2008 12:57:48 -0800 (PST), in a place far, far away,
mariam made the phosphor on my monitor glow in
such a way as to indicate that:

snip off-topic lunacy

Now what is the difference between these Nazi atrocities and what
Israel, the “only democracy in the Middle East” is doing in the Gaza
Strip, where “the most moral army in the world” is slaughtering babies
as young as six-months’ old? I know that many Jews, especially Zionist
Jews, have developed almost instinctive knee- jerk defensive reactions
to any comparisons between Israel and Nazi Germany. However, the truth
must be proclaimed aloud, irrespective of how many Zionists will get
angry.


Israel claims that it doesn’t murder innocent civilians deliberately.
But this is a big, obscene lie, of which even most Israelis are aware.
Mistakes happen a few times, but when the wanton slaughter of children
occurs each day and every day of the year, it means it is policy.


Hamas is engaging in ongoing war crimes by carrying out military
operations using civilians as human shields. *This is in violation of
the Geneva Conventions. *Any civilians killed, including children, as
a result of Israel taking out missile bases that have been attacking
them relentlessly from civilian areas in Gaza are on Hamas' head.

snip more off-topic lunacy


Then why is Hamas a false flag?

Shouldn't you be asking those in charge of financing and orchestrating
Hamas, to knock it off?

Are those spendy rockets being secretly bought off eBay, or what?

~ BG
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Old December 29th 08, 07:16 AM posted to sci.space.policy
BradGuth
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Default Jews and the Gaza holocaust

On Dec 28, 12:57*pm, mariam wrote:
Jews and the Gaza holocaust

*Gaza Holocaust / *vidéohttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGBl-mXdKHA&feature=related

In June, 1942, in reprisal for the assassination of the Nazi commander
Reinhard Heydrich, the Germans carried out a murderous rampage of
murder and terror throughout Czechoslovakia. The small Czech village
of Lidice bore the brunt of the German revenge, with the SS killing
all the men, deported all women and children and razed the village to
the ground.

Similarly, in March 1944, thirty-three German soldiers were killed
when members of an Italian resistance group set off a bomb close to a
column of German troops who were marching on via Rasella in Rome.
Adolph Hitler got furious and ordered that within 24 hours, ten
Italians were to be shot for each German soldier that had been killed.
Herbert Kappler, the local German commander, quickly compiled a list
of 320 civilians who were to be assassinated as vengeance. On March
24, the victims were transported to the Ardeatine caves where they
were summarily executed by the SS.

Numerous other ‘pacification operations’ were carried out by the Nazi
armies against civilians throughout Nazi-occupied Europe, in which
men, women and children were brutally killed to avenge the death of
German occupation soldiers by local resistance fighters.

Now what is the difference between these Nazi atrocities and what
Israel, the “only democracy in the Middle East” is doing in the Gaza
Strip, where “the most moral army in the world” is slaughtering babies
as young as six-months’ old? I know that many Jews, especially Zionist
Jews, have developed almost instinctive knee- jerk defensive reactions
to any comparisons between Israel and Nazi Germany. However, the truth
must be proclaimed aloud, irrespective of how many Zionists will get
angry.

Israel claims that it doesn’t murder innocent civilians deliberately.
But this is a big, obscene lie, of which even most Israelis are aware.
Mistakes happen a few times, but when the wanton slaughter of children
occurs each day and every day of the year, it means it is policy.

In addition, when the number of victims, especially innocent victims,
as in Gaza, even intent itself becomes irrelevant.

In the final analysis, murdering knowingly is murdering deliberately,
regardless of the prevarication and the verbal juggling.

Hence, Jews around the world, especially those who support Israel,
should be willing to bring themselves to recognizing that what their
wonderful state is doing to these helpless Palestinians is a virtual
holocaust or at least a holocaust in the making.

How else can any honest person relate to these phantasmagoric images
that keep coming from Gaza, haunting the conscience of every human
being?

True, Israel had not introduced gas chambers in Beit Hanun and Khan
Younis or Rafah. But we have F-16s raining down bombs and death on
sleeping children and women and innocent civilians.

If Jews who support this satanic entity are not willing to call the
spade a spade and recognize a holocaust as a holocaust, then they
should be viewed as active accomplices in this wanton rampage of
murder and terror.

This is not a war. Calling the current Israeli onslaught on Gaza a war
is like fornicating with words. Wars occur between armies and states.

What is happening in Gaza is actually a merciless and brutal rampage
of murder and terror waged by a Wehrmacht-like army against a
blockaded, beleaguered and starved people who want to survive and be
free, very much like Jews did under the Nazi occupation of Europe.

Indeed, when Israel murders a hundred Palestinian, mostly innocent
civilians, for every Israeli killed, there is a name for that, it is
massacre.

It is conscionable that honest people around the world, including many
conscientious Jews who can’t bear watching the heinous crimes Israel
is committing in their collective name, must call the spade a spade. A
holocaust, after all, doesn’t become lesser when perpetrated by Jews.
There is no such a thing as a kosher holocaust or kosher massacres.
Vilnai

Now, once again, human decency is being affronted and insulted by this
reptile terrorist Matan Vilnai, Israel’s deputy defense minister, who
has gone as far as threatening the thoroughly tormented Gazans with a
holocaust.

Speaking to the Israeli army radio Friday morning, 29 February, Vilnai
said “the more Qassam rockets fire intensifies and the rockets reach a
longer range, the Palestinians will bring upon themselves a bigger
holocaust because we will use all our power to defend ourselves.”

Well, if Israel thinks that carrying out a holocaust against its
victims in Gaza and Rafah and Khan Younis can be justified, then why
blame Hitler for effecting a holocaust against his own respective
enemies? Is Vilnai vindicating the holocaust?

I think Jews should realize that this criminal state, with its
manifestly intransigence and bellicosity, is forcing them to make a
moral judgment. In the face of evil, and Israel is a clear embodiment
of evil, one can’t be neutral. It is either one stands with evil or
stands against it.

Today, people around the world, including millions of Jews, are
watching the pornographic slaughter in Gaza live on their TV screens.
And no amount of spin, lie, or hasbara will make the images of
mutilated babies look innocuous.

Finally, the people of the world will not be duped by the
propagandistic lies about so-called rocket attacks on Israeli towns,
which are meant first and foremost to create an artificial equation
between the wanton extermination of Gazans and the mainly
psychological discomfort experienced by some Israeli citizens as a
result of the fall of these nearly innocuous fire-crackers, fired by
some desperate Gazans in order to deter Israel from killing more of
their children.

This is because Israel knows very well how calm and peace can be
restored for both the people of Gaza and Israelis across the border:
Lift the criminal siege on Gaza, allow Gazans to access food and to
travel, allow them to export and import, and stop these daily
massacres. And then not a single Qassam will be fired onto Israel.


What about Jews and the Sephardi holocaust?

~ BG
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Old December 30th 08, 03:21 AM posted to sci.space.policy
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Jews and the Gaza holocaust




vicious cycle (plural vicious cycles)

1.. A situation in which the solution to one problem creates a chain of
problems, each making it more difficult to solve the original one

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/vicious_cycle



When it comes to assuming blame for revenge attacks
or 'reprisals', it crucial to determine which side started
the whole thing. Which side was the first to 'cross the line'
and commit a crime against humanity? Did 'it' happen in the
last year, century or millennia?

I just don't know anymore, and I just don't care either.
I only care about a potential solution.

Such a vicious cycle, once established, has no where
else to go but straight to hell. Only something dramatic
can change that simple fact.

And it's not nukes as Iran thinks, or even slaughtering Hamas
policemen as Israel and Bush thinks. But it's a change of perspective.
As long as The Past is all that matters to them, as in who
did what and when. Then nothing will change. Both sides
need to pretend The Past doesn't matter anymore.

And start thinking only about the future.
As in, what kind of future would be ideal for both sides.

In the end, the solution will always boil down to....democracy.

As a proper democracy best mimics Nature and the process
of evolution. Which is responsible for us and all that exists.

The solution is, and will always be, in fighting the enemies of
democracy and freedom.

And in this case the real enemy is ****ING IRAN, and
everyone knows it. They have been spending big time to
finance car-bombing anything and everything democratic.
From schools to hospitals to UN staff. From Lebanon to
Iraq to Pakistan. Anything that could rebuild a society
so that the people could decide for themselves gets
bombed, to insure the survival of a few self appointed
dictators.

The high moral ground is with those that attack The Few, the dictator.
And the blood is on the hands of those that attack democracy..."The People".
Whether in Iraq, Afghanistan Pakistan, Egypt, Gaza or anywhere else.












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Old December 31st 08, 10:40 PM posted to sci.space.policy
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On Dec 30, 3:33 pm, "Non scrivetemi"
wrote:
In my opinion the Israelis are taking a very soft approach towards the Hamas-led Palestinians. If I were in charge, I'd have started shelling Gaza will artillery day and night, until people started fleeing en-masse towards Egypt and the West Bank. The remaining Hamas hard-core remaining in Gaza would be killed by ground troops.

Hamas is a dictatorial Islamic regime which is even preventing its own citizens from leaving the Gaza strip, including wounded ones, for fear that they will not come back and they lose another potential Soldier for God. There's also no indication that they will ever allow another election to take place, the Hallmark of all Islamic regimes: come to power by democracy, then abolish it. I believe that if this continues, the Palestinian problem will solve itself since people don't want to live under Hamas rule anymore, they will either revolt or flee, leaving Gaza emptied and ripe for annexation by Israel.


When ya consider that the govt of Gaza, elected by the palis just
legalized crucifixation, it's kinda hard to feel sympathy for em, reap
what you sow.
 




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