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"New" CO2 molecule on Venus may explain Global warming!
Repeat post due to mysterious internet blockage!
=========== A "new" CO2 molecule has been discovered on Venus which may explain the extremely high temperatures there! http://futurismic.com/2007/10/12/new...at-venus-more/ |
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"New" CO2 molecule on Venus may explain Global warming!
On Sun, 15 Jul 2012 02:33:58 -0400, bjacoby
wrote: A "new" CO2 molecule has been discovered on Venus which may explain the extremely high temperatures there! http://futurismic.com/2007/10/12/new...at-venus-more/ It doesn't factor into global warming on Earth (which is, of course, already well understood with respect to CO2), but only on Venus. What I thought was interesting is that this particular absorption line was not previously known, despite existing in a naturally occurring molecule. I would have thought it would be long characterized and in the spectroscopic catalogs. |
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"New" CO2 molecule on Venus may explain Global warming!
On Jul 14, 11:33*pm, bjacoby wrote:
Repeat post due to mysterious internet blockage! =========== A "new" CO2 molecule has been discovered on Venus which may explain the extremely high temperatures there! http://futurismic.com/2007/10/12/new...ecule-found-to... Actually, the term "New" shouldn't apply to something reported as of 2006 and as having been confirmed by others shortly thereafter. Unlike astronomy and astrophysics that has to apply an educated guess at whatever any given point-source of stellar illumination or that of any minor reflected itsy bitsy speck of an albedo has to offer, whereas "Guth Venus" gets seriously nearby and looking big as hell, offering us a terrific image of actual physical terrain and multiple variations of complex patterns of that physically hot surface environment to look at and interpret, that simply can't be so easily explained away as any perfectly natural formed geology that we know of. So, either those natural laws of geology and the subsequent physics of its surface formations and the subsequent erosions have been functioning differently on Venus, or perhaps we’re looking at an unusually complex surface of what seems as though having been artificially modified to suit. The ongoing science of astronomy is nearly all/100% subjective, and it’s so often socially/politically moderated and/or that of a faith- based biased form of intellectually skewed observationology that gets to apply as much obfuscation and denial as they like, leaving the rest of us as outsiders with only at best our individual deductive interpretations to guide us onto the next step. Funny how any quality radar image of Venus that seems perfectly weird and/or unusual enough doesn't mainstream qualify as anything except that of depicting a naturally formed terrain of hot rocks, even though not one other image of any other planet (including Earth) or moon has anything of remotely similar pixels to offer that’s offering us such a large collective scale of geometric complexity, as well as seemingly offering us such an artificial or rational like infrastructure of an off-world community likeness at the same time. Apparently those natural geology rules for the extremely nearby planet Venus are entirely different than any other planet or moon. Go figure how those continually opposed to anything that isn't insider Oligarch approved, are also required and/or compelled to topic/author stalk and bash at this one and at anything else I might have to offer, for all the Semitic approved hate and disparagement they can muster. “Guth Venus” 1:1, plus 10x resample/enlargement of the area in question: https://picasaweb.google.com/1027362...79402364691314 Other thumbnail images, including mgn_c115s095_1.gif (225 m/pixel) http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/th...humbnails.html Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1 http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/ht...115s095_1.html http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hi...c115s095_1.gif http://groups.google.com/groups/search http://translate.google.com/# Brad Guth,Brad_Guth,Brad.Guth,BradGuth,BG,Guth Usenet/”Guth Venus” |
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"New" CO2 molecule on Venus may explain Global warming!
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Chris L Peterson wrote: On Sun, 15 Jul 2012 02:33:58 -0400, bjacoby wrote: A "new" CO2 molecule has been discovered on Venus which may explain the extremely high temperatures there! http://futurismic.com/2007/10/12/new...at-venus-more/ It doesn't factor into global warming on Earth (which is, of course, already well understood with respect to CO2), but only on Venus. What I thought was interesting is that this particular absorption line was not previously known, despite existing in a naturally occurring molecule. I would have thought it would be long characterized and in the spectroscopic catalogs. Just goes to show that we have a pretty thin knowledge of the attributes of the isotopes not occuring in great numbers on earth. We should have a hunch, considering how much new stuff keeps appearing just for simple stuff like 3He. -- mrr |
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"New" CO2 molecule on Venus may explain Global warming!
On Sun, 15 Jul 2012 02:33:58 -0400, bjacoby
wrote: A "new" CO2 molecule has been discovered on Venus which may explain the extremely high temperatures there! C-O^2 is always carbon dioxide, idiot. -- Melenkurion abatha! Duroc minas mil khabaal! (Translation: "Climate change deniers can kiss my sweaty ass.") |
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"New" CO2 molecule on Venus may explain Global warming!
Desertphile wrote:
On Sun, 15 Jul 2012 02:33:58 -0400, bjacoby wrote: A "new" CO2 molecule has been discovered on Venus which may explain the extremely high temperatures there! C-O^2 is always carbon dioxide, idiot. Actually there are nine different kinds of carbon dioxide by my rusty calculations. 12C, 13C, 14C , 16O, 18O. The different carbon atoms make very little difference to the IR spectrum but the molecule with both 16O and 18O has an extra band in the IR. presumably this is the symmetric stretch which will cause a change in dipole moment of the molecule with mixed oxygen isotopes and hence IR absorption. |
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"New" CO2 molecule on Venus may explain Global warming!
On Jul 16, 7:52*am, Mike Collins wrote:
Actually there are nine different kinds of carbon dioxide by my rusty calculations. 12C, 13C, 14C , 16O, 18O. I would have thought that if there was a strange kind of carbon dioxide on Venus, this would refer to the phase diagram - in the way that there is an ice II and so on under conditions of extreme pressure. But if the anomaly is in the spectrum, more likely would be some multiply-ionized form of the gas. John Savard |
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"New" CO2 molecule on Venus may explain Global warming!
On Jul 16, 6:59*am, Quadibloc wrote:
On Jul 16, 7:52*am, Mike Collins wrote: Actually there are nine different kinds of carbon dioxide by my rusty calculations. 12C, 13C, 14C , 16O, 18O. I would have thought that if there was a strange kind of carbon dioxide on Venus, this would refer to the phase diagram - in the way that there is an ice II and so on under conditions of extreme pressure. But if the anomaly is in the spectrum, more likely would be some multiply-ionized form of the gas. John Savard Carbonated water and/or carbonated sulfuric acid seems quite likely. There's also a great deal of helium to contend with, but such helium doesn't bond or combine with anything. Ionized helium could be causing those other elements to react differently than previously understood. Apparently those natural geology rules for the extremely nearby planet Venus are entirely different than any other planet or moon. Go figure how those continually opposed to anything that isn't insider Oligarch approved, are also required and/or compelled to topic/author stalk and bash at this one and at anything else I might have to offer, for all the Semitic approved hate and disparagement they can muster. “Guth Venus” 1:1, plus 10x resample/enlargement of the area in question: https://picasaweb.google.com/1027362...79402364691314 Other thumbnail images, including mgn_c115s095_1.gif (225 m/pixel) http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/th...humbnails.html Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1 http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/ht...115s095_1.html http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hi...c115s095_1.gif http://groups.google.com/groups/search http://translate.google.com/# Brad Guth,Brad_Guth,Brad.Guth,BradGuth,BG,Guth Usenet/”Guth Venus” |
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"New" CO2 molecule on Venus may explain Global warming!
Quadibloc wrote:
On Jul 16, 7:52 am, Mike Collins wrote: Actually there are nine different kinds of carbon dioxide by my rusty calculations. 12C, 13C, 14C , 16O, 18O. I would have thought that if there was a strange kind of carbon dioxide on Venus, this would refer to the phase diagram - in the way that there is an ice II and so on under conditions of extreme pressure. But if the anomaly is in the spectrum, more likely would be some multiply-ionized form of the gas. John Savard No the "new" carbon dioxide is the mixed 16O 18O form which is only a very small percentage of the total carbon dioxide. IR spectra are associated with molecular vibrations. |
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"New" CO2 molecule on Venus may explain Global warming!
On Mon, 16 Jul 2012 07:00:09 -0600, Desertphile
wrote: On Sun, 15 Jul 2012 02:33:58 -0400, bjacoby wrote: A "new" CO2 molecule has been discovered on Venus which may explain the extremely high temperatures there! C-O^2 is always carbon dioxide, idiot. He didn't say it wasn't, idiot! If you read the article, it would make more sense, even to a simpleton. Here, try it: http://futurismic.com/2007/10/12/new...at-venus-more/ Obviously, you will as per usual, refuse to do so, because you are an abject apologist for global warming and AGW! However, this is not denying or agreeing anything. It is just a report. Oh, and kiss your ass?I don't think so! I would certainly get AIDS! Harry Merrick. |
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