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United States Falling Behind EVERYONE In Physics, Science, Rockets, EVERYTHING.
Ian Parker wrote in
oups.com: I think the US is falling behind both Europe and Asia. I think there are a number of reasons. 1) The failure to build a supercollider. Too busy building advanced semiconductor fabs--those are hugely expensive. 2) Creationalism, the view that the World is no older than the Ice Age. Quite a lot of people here, most in fact, don't believe in that. Still, the fundamentalist conservatives are inhibiting progress. 3) Governmenr interference with things like Stem Cell research. Got more specific examples; this seems trivial by itself. 4) The US is now a lot less welcoming to foreigners than it was in the time of Kennedy. You don't live here, do you? Spanish has become the 2nd national language by default. We're not as bilingual as Canada but our economic wealth attracts much immigration. --Damon |
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"Pat Flannery" wrote in message dakotatelephone... jonathan wrote: Super Collider? The ultimate in reductionist goals. This type of science defines the most useless, most irrelevant and least meaningful kind of science possible....ie...it defines 'pure' science. I'm still keen to see CERN crank it up...about the time that Stephen Hawking thinks: "Did I make a slip there? Was that a plus where a minus should have gone in that formula around thirty years ago?" Then, in around a matter of a hour or so, the entire solar system collapses into the black hole where Earth used to be. Many would be appalled to conceive of such a possibility. I'd find that to be absolutely hilariously funny. :-D DOOMSDAY FEARS SPARK LAWSUIT "The builders of the world's biggest particle collider are being sued in federal court over fears that the experiment might create globe-gobbling black holes or never-before-seen strains of matter that would destroy the planet." http://cosmiclog.msnbc.msn.com/archi...27/823924.aspx "One experiment at the LHC, known as ALICE, seeks to re-create the conditions that existed just an instant after the big bang" http://cosmiclog.msnbc.msn.com/archi...5/1290475.aspx Wait just a freakin' minute...didn't the universe suddenly and monstrously .....inflate....just after the big bang? Maybe we'll become that tiny particle inside a huge new universe. Maybe they think shrinking us down to subatomic size will allow them to finally find the long lost "God Particle". Leave it to the Euros to blow up the planet again. s Pat |
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On Sep 6, 9:53*pm, kT wrote:
http://www.newsweek.com/id/157514 One look at NASA's Orion on Ares I (Constellation) and it's easy to see, * up front and personal, the tragic and inevitable decline of science, physics and rocketry in the United States. The rest of the world has already noticed, but Americans are too wrapped up in their vanities to see what is already glaringly obvious to the most casual of observers. I'm going to try to codify this phenomenon in a research proposal. Perhaps it can be reversed, but I doubt it. Thirty years of Reagan Idiocracy. Not thirty years of Idiocracy, thirty years of Kakistocracy!!! No end in sight, H L Mencken must be roaring in his grave! |
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On Sep 6, 7:53*pm, kT wrote:
http://www.newsweek.com/id/157514 One look at NASA's Orion on Ares I (Constellation) and it's easy to see, * up front and personal, the tragic and inevitable decline of science, physics and rocketry in the United States. But we're way ahead in intelligent design, flat earth theory, and alternate logical systems. DB |
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Bill Penrose wrote:
On Sep 6, 7:53 pm, kT wrote: http://www.newsweek.com/id/157514 One look at NASA's Orion on Ares I (Constellation) and it's easy to see, up front and personal, the tragic and inevitable decline of science, physics and rocketry in the United States. But we're way ahead in intelligent design, flat earth theory, and alternate logical systems. In America, one has complete freedom ... to be an idiot. |
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On 8 Sep, 19:46, Damon Hill wrote:
Ian Parker wrote oups.com: I think the US is falling behind both Europe and Asia. I think there are a number of reasons. 1) The failure to build a supercollider. Too busy building advanced semiconductor fabs--those are hugely expensive. The problem is the US isn't. There is a $50billion adverse trade gap in high tech products. OK a lot of that may well be in assembly and also in "old hat" chips. Still automation in this field mitigates the effect of higher US wage levels. The US has allowed itself to fall behind in mobile phone technology, to take one example. Once a country is good it tends to stay good. Scandanavia is good and looks like remaining so. The US got ioff to a poor start because it lacked a standard. This reflects the poor quality of public policy. A Europe consisting of a great many countries managed to agree a standard which the US failed to do. 2) Creationalism, the view that the World is no older than the Ice Age. Quite a lot of people here, most in fact, don't believe in that. Still, the fundamentalist conservatives are inhibiting progress. 3) Governmenr interference with things like Stem Cell research. Got more specific examples; this seems trivial by itself. If you read me carefully you would realise that there is no single factor. The important factor is attracting young people into science. Obama wants to end the ban on stem cell research. That will do no good, you cannot have a research program which proceeds in fits and starts. One other serious consideration is the nature of the Genesis story itself. No one can say CERN will melt the Antarctic ice cap (as in the Garden of Eden). Black holes are (just) semi respectable. Overiding everything is the feeling that there are areas of knowledge we should not be enquiring into. This is to me immensely damaging. Fundamentalism has little effect in Europe and none at all in the Far East. It is as well to remember this. 4) The US is now a lot less welcoming to foreigners than it was in the time of Kennedy. You don't live here, do you? *Spanish has become the 2nd national language by default. *We're not as bilingual as Canada but our economic wealth attracts much immigration. I was talking in the main about the ease of obtaining student visas etc. The "war" on Terror. Al Qaeda say they are religious yet they are overwhemingly supporting Europe and China. That isd what historians of the future will conclude. I think they will be even less happy with what will follow US dominance than they are with the US. If you were taking a history exam in the mid to late 21st century you would be expected to list all these factors in a question about the decline of US science and (ultimately) US political power. - Ian Parker |
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On Sep 9, 3:25 am, Ian Parker wrote:
On 8 Sep, 19:46, Damon Hill wrote: Ian Parker wrote oups.com: I think the US is falling behind both Europe and Asia. I think there are a number of reasons. 1) The failure to build a supercollider. Too busy building advanced semiconductor fabs--those are hugely expensive. The problem is the US isn't. There is a $50billion adverse trade gap in high tech products. OK a lot of that may well be in assembly and also in "old hat" chips. Still automation in this field mitigates the effect of higher US wage levels. The US has allowed itself to fall behind in mobile phone technology, to take one example. Once a country is good it tends to stay good. Scandanavia is good and looks like remaining so. The US got ioff to a poor start because it lacked a standard. This reflects the poor quality of public policy. A Europe consisting of a great many countries managed to agree a standard which the US failed to do. 2) Creationalism, the view that the World is no older than the Ice Age. Quite a lot of people here, most in fact, don't believe in that. Still, the fundamentalist conservatives are inhibiting progress. 3) Governmenr interference with things like Stem Cell research. Got more specific examples; this seems trivial by itself. If you read me carefully you would realise that there is no single factor. The important factor is attracting young people into science. Obama wants to end the ban on stem cell research. That will do no good, you cannot have a research program which proceeds in fits and starts. One other serious consideration is the nature of the Genesis story itself. No one can say CERN will melt the Antarctic ice cap (as in the Garden of Eden). Black holes are (just) semi respectable. Overiding everything is the feeling that there are areas of knowledge we should not be enquiring into. This is to me immensely damaging. Fundamentalism has little effect in Europe and none at all in the Far East. It is as well to remember this. 4) The US is now a lot less welcoming to foreigners than it was in the time of Kennedy. You don't live here, do you? Spanish has become the 2nd national language by default. We're not as bilingual as Canada but our economic wealth attracts much immigration. I was talking in the main about the ease of obtaining student visas etc. The "war" on Terror. Al Qaeda say they are religious yet they are overwhemingly supporting Europe and China. That isd what historians of the future will conclude. I think they will be even less happy with what will follow US dominance than they are with the US. If you were taking a history exam in the mid to late 21st century you would be expected to list all these factors in a question about the decline of US science and (ultimately) US political power. - Ian Parker As you say, many factors are responsible for the ongoing demise and subsequent "decline of US science and (ultimately) US political power". Firstly, our public education of physics and science sucks, not to mention our having to learn and accept lies instead of truths. ~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth |
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On Sep 8, 10:50 pm, kT wrote:
Bill Penrose wrote: On Sep 6, 7:53 pm, kT wrote: http://www.newsweek.com/id/157514 One look at NASA's Orion on Ares I (Constellation) and it's easy to see, up front and personal, the tragic and inevitable decline of science, physics and rocketry in the United States. But we're way ahead in intelligent design, flat earth theory, and alternate logical systems. In America, one has complete freedom ... to be an idiot. Make that a village idiot, because it takes a village of such idiots in order to produce yet another of their own kind. ~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth |
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On Sep 9, 6:25*am, Ian Parker wrote:
On 8 Sep, 19:46, Damon Hill wrote: Ian Parker wrote oups.com: I think the US is falling behind both Europe and Asia. I think there are a number of reasons. 1) The failure to build a supercollider. Too busy building advanced semiconductor fabs--those are hugely expensive. The problem is the US isn't. There is a $50billion adverse trade gap in high tech products. OK a lot of that may well be in assembly and also in "old hat" chips. Still automation in this field mitigates the effect of higher US wage levels. The US has allowed itself to fall behind in mobile phone technology, to take one example. Once a country is good it tends to stay good. Scandanavia is good and looks like remaining so. The US got ioff to a poor start because it lacked a standard. This reflects the poor quality of public policy. A Europe consisting of a great many countries managed to agree a standard which the US failed to do. Why am I compelled to say that the euro will crush the pound before it does the dollar after reading the above? 2) Creationalism, the view that the World is no older than the Ice Age. Quite a lot of people here, most in fact, don't believe in that. Still, the fundamentalist conservatives are inhibiting progress. 3) Governmenr interference with things like Stem Cell research. Got more specific examples; this seems trivial by itself. If you read me carefully you would realise that there is no single factor. The important factor is attracting young people into science. Obama wants to end the ban on stem cell research. That will do no good, you cannot have a research program which proceeds in fits and starts. One other serious consideration is the nature of the Genesis story itself. No one can say CERN will melt the Antarctic ice cap (as in the Garden of Eden). Black holes are (just) semi respectable. Overiding everything is the feeling that there are areas of knowledge we should not be enquiring into. This is to me immensely damaging. Fundamentalism has little effect in Europe and none at all in the Far East. It is as well to remember this. Even the Muslims who are hellbent on destroying infidels? Yes, I know you meant Christianity. 4) The US is now a lot less welcoming to foreigners than it was in the time of Kennedy. You don't live here, do you? *Spanish has become the 2nd national language by default. *We're not as bilingual as Canada but our economic wealth attracts much immigration. I was talking in the main about the ease of obtaining student visas etc. The "war" on Terror. Al Qaeda say they are religious yet they are overwhemingly supporting Europe and China. That isd what historians of the future will conclude. I think they will be even less happy with what will follow US dominance than they are with the US. If you were taking a history exam in the mid to late 21st century you would be expected to list all these factors in a question about the decline of US science and (ultimately) US political power. Assuming that actually happens. Somebody has to lead the world away from fossil fuel, why not the US? Eric |
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On Sep 9, 1:50*am, kT wrote:
Bill Penrose wrote: On Sep 6, 7:53 pm, kT wrote: http://www.newsweek.com/id/157514 One look at NASA's Orion on Ares I (Constellation) and it's easy to see, * up front and personal, the tragic and inevitable decline of science, physics and rocketry in the United States. But we're way ahead in intelligent design, flat earth theory, and alternate logical systems. In America, one has complete freedom ... to be an idiot. Hey all those guides for idiots have to have an audience. |
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