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Old January 27th 06, 05:53 PM posted to sci.space.policy,sci.space.history
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Russian Moonbase Art -- Original or Stolen??

Here's a newspaper image from Moscow
about a possible moonbase built by Russia:
http://www.kp.ru/upimg/photo/57527.jpg

Is that art original, or is it copied from an
existing Western illustration? I don't
recognize it right away.


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Old January 27th 06, 07:59 PM posted to sci.space.policy,sci.space.history
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Russian Moonbase Art -- Original or Stolen??

I hope it's not NASA. Those solar panels are attached horizontally by
a single point. Great in space, but they'll snap off in lunar gravity.

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Old January 27th 06, 08:20 PM posted to sci.space.policy,sci.space.history
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"Jim Oberg" wrote:
Russian Moonbase Art -- Original or Stolen??


Why do you think it is stolen?
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"Jim Logajan" wrote
Why do you think it is stolen?


Tradition.

The Soviets routinely stole space art from Western publications,
painted hammer/sickles on the sides, and published them as
great new USSR advanced plans...



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Jim Oberg wrote:

"Jim Logajan" wrote


Why do you think it is stolen?


Tradition.

The Soviets routinely stole space art from Western publications,
painted hammer/sickles on the sides, and published them as
great new USSR advanced plans...


These are 'Russians', Jim.

Our International Space Partners.

The cold war is over. It's dead, Jim.

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Jim Oberg wrote:
Russian Moonbase Art -- Original or Stolen??

Here's a newspaper image from Moscow
about a possible moonbase built by Russia:
http://www.kp.ru/upimg/photo/57527.jpg

Is that art original, or is it copied from an
existing Western illustration? I don't
recognize it right away.


I found the same picture on the Challenger.org
website without the Russian captions:

http://www.challenger.org/pacct/Images/LunarBase-fs.jpg

http://www.challenger.org/pacct/Learning/

The Challenger.org website has this copyright message on the same
webpage as
the picture in question:

"Sojourner®, Mars Rover® and spacecraft design and images copyright
1996-97, California Institute fo Technology. All rights reserved.
Further reproduction is prohibited."

Rusty

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Old January 27th 06, 10:15 PM posted to sci.space.policy,sci.space.history
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Rusty wrote:
Jim Oberg wrote:
Russian Moonbase Art -- Original or Stolen??

Here's a newspaper image from Moscow
about a possible moonbase built by Russia:
http://www.kp.ru/upimg/photo/57527.jpg

Is that art original, or is it copied from an
existing Western illustration? I don't
recognize it right away.


I found the same picture on the Challenger.org
website without the Russian captions:

http://www.challenger.org/pacct/Images/LunarBase-fs.jpg

http://www.challenger.org/pacct/Learning/

The Challenger.org website has this copyright message on the same
webpage as
the picture in question:

"Sojourner®, Mars Rover® and spacecraft design and images copyright
1996-97, California Institute fo Technology. All rights reserved.
Further reproduction is prohibited."

Rusty


In the larger image on the Challenger.org website, you can see the
artists signature on
the picture. It appears to be signed by Roger Arno.

Rusty

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Old January 28th 06, 01:25 AM posted to sci.space.policy,sci.space.history
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On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 17:53:06 +0000, Jim Oberg wrote:

Russian Moonbase Art -- Original or Stolen??


Here's a newspaper image from Moscow
about a possible moonbase built by Russia:
http://www.kp.ru/upimg/photo/57527.jpg


Is that art original, or is it copied from an
existing Western illustration? I don't
recognize it right away.


(The zapkitty saves the image to desktop, zooms
and zooms again in the Gimp, and tries to decipher
the resulting pixelated hash with his fragmentary
vision...)

Certain elements seem to give it a Vincent DiFate
look, especially the helmets, but it's nowhere near
blue enough

Also, I think I'd recognize that semi-2001 lander
in the background if I'd seen it before.

I say original, but very derivative. Or I could
be wrong

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Chuck Stewart
"Anime-style catgirls: Threat? Menace? Or just studying algebra?"
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Old January 28th 06, 01:32 AM posted to sci.space.policy,sci.space.history
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Rusty wrote:
Rusty wrote:
Jim Oberg wrote:
Russian Moonbase Art -- Original or Stolen??

Here's a newspaper image from Moscow
about a possible moonbase built by Russia:
http://www.kp.ru/upimg/photo/57527.jpg

Is that art original, or is it copied from an
existing Western illustration? I don't
recognize it right away.

I found the same picture on the Challenger.org
website without the Russian captions:

http://www.challenger.org/pacct/Images/LunarBase-fs.jpg

http://www.challenger.org/pacct/Learning/

The Challenger.org website has this copyright message on the same
webpage as
the picture in question:

"Sojourner®, Mars Rover® and spacecraft design and images copyright
1996-97, California Institute fo Technology. All rights reserved.
Further reproduction is prohibited."

Rusty


In the larger image on the Challenger.org website, you can see the
artists signature on
the picture. It appears to be signed by Roger Arno.


That's easy enough to check.

Here's a nice one :

http://home.comcast.net/~jeroen-lapr...eLayout675.jpg

The CEV should be able to handle that, right?

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Old January 28th 06, 03:34 AM posted to sci.space.policy,sci.space.history
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Rusty wrote:
Rusty wrote:

Jim Oberg wrote:

Russian Moonbase Art -- Original or Stolen??

Here's a newspaper image from Moscow
about a possible moonbase built by Russia:
http://www.kp.ru/upimg/photo/57527.jpg

Is that art original, or is it copied from an
existing Western illustration? I don't
recognize it right away.


I found the same picture on the Challenger.org
website without the Russian captions:

http://www.challenger.org/pacct/Images/LunarBase-fs.jpg

http://www.challenger.org/pacct/Learning/

The Challenger.org website has this copyright message on the same
webpage as
the picture in question:

"Sojourner®, Mars Rover® and spacecraft design and images copyright
1996-97, California Institute fo Technology. All rights reserved.
Further reproduction is prohibited."

Rusty



In the larger image on the Challenger.org website, you can see the
artists signature on
the picture. It appears to be signed by Roger Arno.

Rusty

The same signature is on the "Russian" version.

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