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INCOMPATIBLE ABSURDITIES IN EINSTEIN ZOMBIE WORLD
http://arxivblog.com/?p=460
"Entanglement is the strange and beautiful property of certain quantum particles to become so deeply linked that they share the same existence. According to quantum theory, that link should be maintained whatever the distance between the particles, whether the width of an atom or the diameter of the universe. This led Einstein to claim that the instantaneous effects of entanglement would lead to “spooky action- at-a-distance” in violation of special relativity which prevents faster-than-light signals. Nobody knows how the different predictions of relativity and quantum mechanics can be resolved." http://www.ekkehard-friebe.de/wallace.htm Bryan Wallace: "I expect that the scientists of the future will consider the dominant abstract physics theories of our time in much the same light as we now consider the Medieval theories of how many angels can dance on the head of a pin or that the Earth stands still and the Universe moves around it." Pentcho Valev |
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On Jun 11, 8:29*pm, Pentcho Valev wrote:
http://arxivblog.com/?p=460 "Entanglement is the strange and beautiful property of certain quantum particles to become so deeply linked that they share the same existence. According to quantum theory, that link should be maintained whatever the distance between the particles, whether the width of an atom or the diameter of the universe. This led Einstein to claim that the instantaneous effects of entanglement would lead to “spooky action- at-a-distance” in violation of special relativity which prevents faster-than-light signals. Nobody knows how the different predictions of relativity and quantum mechanics can be resolved." http://www.ekkehard-friebe.de/wallace.htm Bryan Wallace: "I expect that the scientists of the future will consider the dominant abstract physics theories of our time in much the same light as we now consider the Medieval theories of how many angels can dance on the head of a pin or that the Earth stands still and the Universe moves around it." Pentcho Valev Where exactly are the incompatible absurdities? kp |
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On Jun 11, 9:43*pm, kp wrote:
On Jun 11, 8:29*pm, Pentcho Valev wrote: http://arxivblog.com/?p=460 "Entanglement is the strange and beautiful property of certain quantum particles to become so deeply linked that they share the same existence. According to quantum theory, that link should be maintained whatever the distance between the particles, whether the width of an atom or the diameter of the universe. This led Einstein to claim that the instantaneous effects of entanglement would lead to “spooky action- at-a-distance” in violation of special relativity which prevents faster-than-light signals. Nobody knows how the different predictions of relativity and quantum mechanics can be resolved." http://www.ekkehard-friebe.de/wallace.htm Bryan Wallace: "I expect that the scientists of the future will consider the dominant abstract physics theories of our time in much the same light as we now consider the Medieval theories of how many angels can dance on the head of a pin or that the Earth stands still and the Universe moves around it." Pentcho Valev Where exactly are the incompatible absurdities? The theory that predicts that the bug is both squashed and not squashed: http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu.../bugrivet.html and that a 80m long pole can be trapped inside a 40m long barn: http://www.math.ucr.edu/home/baez/ph...barn_pole.html "These are the props. You own a barn, 40m long, with automatic doors at either end, that can be opened and closed simultaneously by a switch. You also have a pole, 80m long, which of course won't fit in the barn....So, as the pole passes through the barn, there is an instant when it is completely within the barn. At that instant, you close both doors simultaneously, with your switch. Of course, you open them again pretty quickly, but at least momentarily you had the contracted pole shut up in your barn." is incompatible with the theory that predicts teleportation: http://discovermagazine.com/2008/mar...tart:int=1&-C= Michio Kaku: "Perhaps the most tangible of the far-out technologies suggested by Einstein’s theories is teleportation. The key lies in a celebrated 1935 paper (doc) by Einstein and his colleagues Boris Podolsky and Nathan Rosen. Ironically, in their paper they proposed an experiment—the so-called EPR experiment, named for the three authors— to kill off, once and for all, quantum theory’s introduction of probability into physics. Quantum theory requires probability because its formulas do not directly describe things like the precise position of particles. Instead, the formulas describe waves, known as Schrödinger waves. The amplitude of the waves at a particular location translates to the probability that a particle will be found at that point. As the EPR experiment pointed out, according to quantum theory, if two particles—electrons, for example—are initially vibrating in unison (a state called coherence), they can remain in wavelike synchronization even if they are separated by a large distance. Two electrons may be trillions of miles apart, but there is still an invisible Schrödinger wave connecting them, like an umbilical cord. If something happens to one electron, some of that information is immediately transmitted to the other, faster than the speed of light. This concept—that particles vibrating in coherence have some kind of deep connection—is called quantum entanglement." Pentcho Valev |
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"Pentcho Valev" wrote in message ... The theory that predicts that the bug is both squashed and not squashed: http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu.../bugrivet.html Stupid asses thinking speed alone (without collisions) changes physical length. (damn rubber rulers!) and that a 80m long pole can be trapped inside a 40m long barn: http://www.math.ucr.edu/home/baez/ph...barn_pole.html Oh look, same thing. rubber ruler worshippers screaming about how there rulers are rubber! LOL is incompatible with the theory that predicts teleportation: http://discovermagazine.com/2008/mar...tart:int=1&-C= LOL Oh, no, the malfunctioning clocks created that too now? Silly time travel rubber ruler worshippers. some day they may come back to science. but not any "time" soon. Can' they see the problem lies in the malfunctioning clocks and having a meter (distance) that is determined by a certain speed (distance per time) Sheesh how scientifically unscientific. LOL -- James M Driscoll Jr Spaceman |
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On Jun 11, 10:17*pm, Pentcho Valev wrote:
On Jun 11, 9:43*pm, kp wrote: On Jun 11, 8:29*pm, Pentcho Valev wrote: http://arxivblog.com/?p=460 "Entanglement is the strange and beautiful property of certain quantum particles to become so deeply linked that they share the same existence. According to quantum theory, that link should be maintained whatever the distance between the particles, whether the width of an atom or the diameter of the universe. This led Einstein to claim that the instantaneous effects of entanglement would lead to “spooky action- at-a-distance” in violation of special relativity which prevents faster-than-light signals. Nobody knows how the different predictions of relativity and quantum mechanics can be resolved." http://www.ekkehard-friebe.de/wallace.htm Bryan Wallace: "I expect that the scientists of the future will consider the dominant abstract physics theories of our time in much the same light as we now consider the Medieval theories of how many angels can dance on the head of a pin or that the Earth stands still and the Universe moves around it." Pentcho Valev Where exactly are the incompatible absurdities? The theory that predicts that the bug is both squashed and not squashed: http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu.../bugrivet.html and that a 80m long pole can be trapped inside a 40m long barn: http://www.math.ucr.edu/home/baez/ph...barn_pole.html "These are the props. You own a barn, 40m long, with automatic doors at either end, that can be opened and closed simultaneously by a switch. You also have a pole, 80m long, which of course won't fit in the barn....So, as the pole passes through the barn, there is an instant when it is completely within the barn. At that instant, you close both doors simultaneously, with your switch. Of course, you open them again pretty quickly, but at least momentarily you had the contracted pole shut up in your barn." is incompatible with the theory that predicts teleportation: http://discovermagazine.com/2008/mar...-possible-next... Michio Kaku: "Perhaps the most tangible of the far-out technologies suggested by Einstein’s theories is teleportation. The key lies in a celebrated 1935 paper (doc) by Einstein and his colleagues Boris Podolsky and Nathan Rosen. Ironically, in their paper they proposed an experiment—the so-called EPR experiment, named for the three authors— to kill off, once and for all, quantum theory’s introduction of probability into physics. Quantum theory requires probability because its formulas do not directly describe things like the precise position of particles. Instead, the formulas describe waves, known as Schrödinger waves. The amplitude of the waves at a particular location translates to the probability that a particle will be found at that point. As the EPR experiment pointed out, according to quantum theory, if two particles—electrons, for example—are initially vibrating in unison (a state called coherence), they can remain in wavelike synchronization even if they are separated by a large distance. Two electrons may be trillions of miles apart, but there is still an invisible Schrödinger wave connecting them, like an umbilical cord. If something happens to one electron, some of that information is immediately transmitted to the other, faster than the speed of light. This concept—that particles vibrating in coherence have some kind of deep connection—is called quantum entanglement." Pentcho Valev As far as SR goes there us nothing incompatible in these examples. They maybe counter intuitive but that doesn't mean they are unphysical. kp |
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"kp" wrote in message ... As far as SR goes there us nothing incompatible in these examples. They maybe counter intuitive but that doesn't mean they are unphysical. unphysical? like the "observational" change of length with speed yet with no physical proof of such ever occuring? or like the observational proof that all clocks that are not in your frame have slowed down according to your clock? PUH LEASE! It is not a matter of unphysical alone. It is a matter of non-scientific at all. rubber rulers and malfunctioning clocks is all they have to keep the "rubber sheet" Universe spinning. The time travel thing has got to be the most stupid of all too. Until you can move the Entire Universe at your will, no time traveling will be occuring because the planets and stars could care less about any clock malfunctions that are being called "time changing rate". And don't forget to make the flowers grow backwards if you are traveling back in time. -- James M Driscoll Jr Spaceman |
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On Jun 11, 3:17*pm, Pentcho Valev wrote:
On Jun 11, 9:43*pm, kp wrote: On Jun 11, 8:29*pm, Pentcho Valev wrote: http://arxivblog.com/?p=460 "Entanglement is the strange and beautiful property of certain quantum particles to become so deeply linked that they share the same existence. According to quantum theory, that link should be maintained whatever the distance between the particles, whether the width of an atom or the diameter of the universe. This led Einstein to claim that the instantaneous effects of entanglement would lead to “spooky action- at-a-distance” in violation of special relativity which prevents faster-than-light signals. Nobody knows how the different predictions of relativity and quantum mechanics can be resolved." http://www.ekkehard-friebe.de/wallace.htm Bryan Wallace: "I expect that the scientists of the future will consider the dominant abstract physics theories of our time in much the same light as we now consider the Medieval theories of how many angels can dance on the head of a pin or that the Earth stands still and the Universe moves around it." Pentcho Valev Where exactly are the incompatible absurdities? The theory that predicts that the bug is both squashed and not squashed: http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu.../bugrivet.html It doesn't. It is definitely squashed, according to the theory, despite your link. and that a 80m long pole can be trapped inside a 40m long barn: That's not an absurdity. You have an additional assumption in your head that's making it absurd that is not a justified assumption. You are assuming that length is something that is frame-independent -- this is what you think "physically real" means. It isn't, and it doesn't. The fact that an 80m long pole (as measured in one frame) can get trapped inside a barn that is 40m long (as measured in another frame) is perfectly consistent with the laws of physics, though your assumption needs to be discarded as unnecessary and inconsistent with the laws of physics. is incompatible with the theory that predicts teleportation: And why is that an incompatible absurdity? Entanglement is not teleportation. Are you having conceptual difficulties? PD |
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"PD" wrote in message ... You are assuming that length is something that is frame-independent -- this is what you think "physically real" means. Physical length is frame independant It is however optical dependant for illusion of length. unless you use rubber rulers. Imagine that! LOL -- James M Driscoll Jr Spaceman |
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On Jun 12, 12:31*am, PD wrote:
On Jun 11, 3:17*pm, Pentcho Valev wrote: On Jun 11, 9:43*pm, kp wrote: On Jun 11, 8:29*pm, Pentcho Valev wrote: http://arxivblog.com/?p=460 "Entanglement is the strange and beautiful property of certain quantum particles to become so deeply linked that they share the same existence. According to quantum theory, that link should be maintained whatever the distance between the particles, whether the width of an atom or the diameter of the universe. This led Einstein to claim that the instantaneous effects of entanglement would lead to “spooky action- at-a-distance” in violation of special relativity which prevents faster-than-light signals. Nobody knows how the different predictions of relativity and quantum mechanics can be resolved." http://www.ekkehard-friebe.de/wallace.htm Bryan Wallace: "I expect that the scientists of the future will consider the dominant abstract physics theories of our time in much the same light as we now consider the Medieval theories of how many angels can dance on the head of a pin or that the Earth stands still and the Universe moves around it." Pentcho Valev Where exactly are the incompatible absurdities? The theory that predicts that the bug is both squashed and not squashed: http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu.../bugrivet.html It doesn't. It is definitely squashed, according to the theory, despite your link. and that a 80m long pole can be trapped inside a 40m long barn: That's not an absurdity. You have an additional assumption in your head that's making it absurd that is not a justified assumption. You are assuming that length is something that is frame-independent -- this is what you think "physically real" means. It isn't, and it doesn't. The fact that an 80m long pole (as measured in one frame) can get trapped inside a barn that is 40m long (as measured in another frame) is perfectly consistent with the laws of physics How long is the pole already trapped inside the barn (the doors have stopped it so it is at rest in the barn's frame now)? 80m? 40m? What do the laws of physics say? Pentcho Valev |
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"Spaceman" wrote in message . .. "kp" wrote in message ... As far as SR goes there us nothing incompatible in these examples. They maybe counter intuitive but that doesn't mean they are unphysical. unphysical? like the "observational" change of length with speed yet with no physical proof of such ever occuring? or like the observational proof that all clocks that are not in your frame have slowed down according to your clock? PUH LEASE! It is not a matter of unphysical alone. It is a matter of non-scientific at all. rubber rulers and malfunctioning clocks is all they have to keep the "rubber sheet" Universe spinning. The time travel thing has got to be the most stupid of all too. Until you can move the Entire Universe at your will, no time traveling will be occuring because the planets and stars could care less about any clock malfunctions that are being called "time changing rate". And don't forget to make the flowers grow backwards if you are traveling back in time. -- James M Driscoll Jr Spaceman If a space traveler travels from Sol to a star ten light years from Sol [in two years], how far away from the star, in light years, is Sol observed to be? How many years is that? In what direction of time, observed? What does the traveler observe of the star to his front -- observe of the ten light years, the nine light years, the eight light years, the four, the two, the one light year, the one light day -- each second, minute, hour, day and year of the voyage? What does the traveler observe concerning Sol (getting to be ten light years away) to his rear, each second, minute, day and year? Observationally, the traveler starts out already backward in time (-10 years ("all history universe")) regarding his destination (0 ("as is universe"))! He has to cross that ten light years in addition to his travel time, within his travel time! Internally he logs two years of travel time. Externally he observes twelve years of travel time inside that logged two years of travel time. At the end of the voyage, one way to the star, Sol is ten light years away (-10 years ("all history universe"), observed. No physicist on Earth will start any traveler out in minus time to the destination (already backward in time vis-a-vis the destination). No physicist on Earth recognizes the existence of an "all history universe" or its relationship to light. Not a single one! Of course no traveler is ever going to travel backward in time because distantly (however distantly) backward in time is the starting gate. The traveler is already there (to as much as 13.7 billion, or 75 billion....whatever, years backward in time). GLB |
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