Pres. Kerry's NASA

"Gregg Germain" wrote in message
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jeff findley wrote:

Once the economic level of the rest of the world rises to the First
World nations, or even second, then US workers become more
competitive.

There are two ways that could happen:
1. Wait 1000 years.
2. The dollar could lose 90% of its value.

The second may actually happen, but it would be strongly disruptive. Your
salary would be worth less in terms of buying power.

(ed kyle) wrote in message . com...
What will President Kerry do with NASA? My guess is that
he will want to dump the Bush Moon/Mars plans ASAP, but
will he be able to stop CEV and the end of Shuttle?

- Ed Kyle

Anyway, I would suggest that, if the American people had an economic
system which takes care of them instead of oppresses them at the
expense of the few, they might be more willing to spend money on space
and other projects for the long term.

I have no idea whether Kerry will be pressed into instituting any real
reforms (as opposed to Clintonism), perhaps most obviously including a
single payer health system, but at least there is some potential.

With regards to NASA itself I see no difference between Democrats and
Republicans, at least not as a definite rule. It's just the luck of
the draw.

Seems to be a lot of speculation here, but very few facts about what
Kerry may, or may not do.

Here is a fact from Aviation Week and Space Technology---Althought the
Space industry is big business in Texas, as Governor, Bush never once
visited the Houston Space Center. There is also no record of him
visiting it in any capacity.






On 10 Feb 2004 14:11:18 -0800, (vthokie)
wrote:

(ed kyle) wrote in message . com...
What will President Kerry do with NASA? My guess is that
he will want to dump the Bush Moon/Mars plans ASAP, but
will he be able to stop CEV and the end of Shuttle?

- Ed Kyle

Wow, I can't believe how many conservative nutcases there are! You
know, the "all Democrats are evil, tree hugging, socialists who will
kill NASA and undermine national security" crowd. Give me a break!
I, for one, hope that Kerry wins. I think this country needs a
president who will restore our credibility in the international
community, who will show some fiscal responsibility, who will promote
environmentally responsible policies, and who will put the needs of
American citizens above the needs of Halliburton! But I digress...

I agree with others here that the CEV would likely continue, but any
roles beyond ISS support would probably be put on the back burner.
Lunar missions would not be a priority.

Michael Walsh wrote in message ...

You continue with the same nonsense that defines liberal democrats
as extreme left wingers and then tries to tag the leading Democrats
with that label.

It's not too hard. The current leading Democrat is John Kerry. You
know, the same guy who worked wholeheartedly with Jane Fonda, the SDS
and VVAW to end containment of Communism. The same guy that wrote a
book calling for the end of ANY support to the South Vietnamese
government, even as China and the USSR ramped up military support for
Ho Chi Min. Kerry's call was eventually answered, ensuring a communist
victory in South Vietnam that killed more South Vietnamese in
communist purges than died on both sides during the thirteen year
civil war.

In the 1960s, his position was considered extreme. It wasn't until
after the '68 Chicago riots at the Democratic convention that groups
like SDS gained control of the party of Jefferson.

You call that nonsense?


You are more likely to find them at colleges than in politics,
with a few exceptions.

Tom Daschle, Terry McCauliff, Nancy Pelosi, Al Gore, Howard Dean, John
Kerry, sadly, Ted Kennedy as well. . . plus a lot others.

Sort of like the number of extreme conservatives in the
Republican party, except they are more likely to hang out
at country clubs than colleges.

Mike Walsh

Country clubs? You mean the kind that only megamillionaires like John
Kerry, John Edwards, Ted Kennedy hang out at? or do you mean the kind
I play golf at once a week for $40 a round? That's the average
Republican, unfortunately for Democrats. Somebody who doesn't feel bad
about earning $50,000 a year and playing golf once a week. Sounds an
awful lot like the average guy...

Tom Merkle

On 10 Feb 2004 17:48:27 -0800, in a place far, far away,
(Alexander Sheppard) made the phosphor
on my monitor glow in such a way as to indicate that:


If you people would like a relatively mainstream source on this matter
I suggest reading the "Hegemony or Empire" article in Foreign Affairs,
it's on their website. If you're prepared to tolerate looking at it,
"What Uncle Sam Really Wants" by Noam Chomsky is availible on the
internet, which is very interesting. Of course you will probably be
tempted to simply dismiss any relevant facts as anti-American hatred,
or something.

"relevant facts" and "Noam Chomsky" don't belong in the same
paragraph.

On Tue, 10 Feb 2004 18:30:43 +0000 (UTC), in a place far, far away,
Sander Vesik made the phosphor on my
monitor glow in such a way as to indicate that:

But you are making an assumption that Moon+Mars was in fact
anything more than a disguised campaign speech.

To think otherwise is laughable. Where is the big constituency for
going to the moon and Mars whose votes Bush is seeking?

On Tue, 10 Feb 2004 16:13:55 GMT, in a place far, far away, "carym"
made the phosphor on my monitor glow in such a way
as to indicate that:

I think China's long term efforts in space will have a serious effect
on the US government's plans to continue, or discontinue the Bush plan.

No reason to think that, and if they have any affect, it won't be for
many years.

Don't be too sure about that. I do not think Kerry would exert himself too
much to pass regulatory or tax incentives for private space travel. Also, he
is quite capable of forbidding travel to the Moon or Mars out of
environmental reasons.

Bush, on the other hand, would find it completely reasonable to ban private launchers in the name of Homeland Security. And under
Bush II there soon wouldn't be any government launches: with a borrow-and-spend Republican Congress the US would soon be bankrupt.

In article ,
Alexander Sheppard wrote:
Hint: After Japan and Germany were defeated in WWII, who rebuilt their
countries?

My knolwedge of their reconstruction is pretty slight, but primarily
it must have been themselves...

There was massive US aid for the reconstruction of both Europe and Japan.
Read up on, most notably, the Marshall Plan sometime.

It was seen as a farsighted long-term investment that would help produce
stable, prosperous, friendly countries (and, not incidentally, open up new
markets for US goods and help contain Communism)... as opposed to what
happened in Europe after WWI, when instability, poverty, and misery played
into the hands of the Communists, the Fascists, and the Nazis.
--
MOST launched 30 June; science observations running | Henry Spencer
since Oct; first surprises seen; papers pending. |

"Tom Merkle" wrote in message
om...
Michael Walsh wrote in message
...

You continue with the same nonsense that defines liberal democrats
as extreme left wingers and then tries to tag the leading Democrats
with that label.

It's not too hard. The current leading Democrat is John Kerry. You
know, the same guy who worked wholeheartedly with Jane Fonda, the SDS
and VVAW to end containment of Communism.

The Wall Street Journal has dug up some people who still care about that
issue, but I think it's a fairly small number. If the ruler of North Korea
decided to fight SARS, would you turn around and support SARS? So Kerry
agreed with Jane Fonda on some issue. So what?

If I remember correctly, Kerry didn't get out of the military and start
protesting until 1972. By then it was pretty much a done deal. McGovern
opposed the war and Kissinger wanted his Nobel peace prize. At one time, I
was a hawk, but Nixon failed to win the war and we couldn't keep beating our
heads against the wall for no reason. Even though I was a hawk, I voted for
McGovern -- mainly because of the Watergate issue.

Sort of like the number of extreme conservatives in the
Republican party, except they are more likely to hang out
at country clubs than colleges.

I like the country club set. It's mainly the religious right that bugs
me -- especially the people who believe that the Earth is less than 10,000
years old.