tomcat's Nice Little Sub-Orbital Runabout

tomcat,
I'm sorry, but you've got to be absolutely kidding. You mean that all
of this time when you've been spouting off that you're so all knowing
and otherwise such a fat-waverider of a do-everything better than NASA
spaceplane wizard, when in fact you haven't had an actual clue as to
what LL-1 represents?

Obviously you are NOT at all whomever you've pretended yourself to be.
Gee whiz, tomcat (aka MI/NSA spook), why am I not the least bit
surprised.

LL-1 is in fact the gravity well or "Lagrange Lunar one" as being the
nullification zone that's obviously an interactive environment that's
situated at roughly upon average 60,000 km away from the moon, as in
keeping within near direct alignment with mother Earth. You do even
know what the term "mother Earth" represents?

Why are you intentionally going so far off topic with involving those
other Lagrange points?

Haven't you ever heard of the term "lunar space elevator" or even that
of the Arthur C. Clarke "Clarke Station", and otherwise absolute loads
of other moon--space elevator research as having been sufficiently
published as topics for decades, and otherwise as internet/Usenet posted
for more than the past couple of decade?

http://www.heavyhammer.com/clarkestation/orbit.shtml
This indicates an interactive zone of roughly +/- 9 km/s by +/- 25 km,
along with such station-keeping as being up to 97.6% solar illuminated,
as well as unavoidably getting lunar secondary IR toasted, and that of
your frail DNA getting full body gamma and hard-X-ray irradiated.

Lagrange Points Calculator
http://www.merlyn.demon.co.uk/gravity4.htm

Obviously if you're still within the NASA taboo dark as to LL-1, whereas
then you haven't a freaking clue as to what my LSE-CM/ISS has been all
about. How pathetic!

Good Christ almighty on a stick; where the hell have you been all of
these years, if not decades?

It certainly goes to further prove that you've even lied about reading
anything that I've previously constructed and having multiple times
posted for public review over the past several years. Besides your
being such a born-again pagan Republican, why are you such a Skull and
Bones brown-nosed Usenet liar?
-
Brad Guth



For some very odd reason your nifty topic that's perfectly readable
within GOOGLE/Usenet simply isn't getting Mailgate posted or as
otherwise having been moderated into banishment, so as to not being made
available to Mailgate client users. Why is that? Is it because you're
as phony-baloney as it ever gets?

Topic: A Nice Little Sub-Orbital Runabout
From: tomcat
Date: Mon, Jul 31 2006 7:48 pm
Email: "tomcat"
Groups: rec.org.mensa, sci.space.policy, sci.space.shuttle

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.o...11df7e430f3830
Brad Guth wrote:
A good orbital energy efficient and otherwise worthwhile place for the
'tomcat' waverider spaceplane to go to/from is LL-1, from which all
sorts of secondary missions and the best ever Earth and moon science
can be conducted, and obviously without ever being out of sight of
mother Earth or that of our physically dark moon that's so gamma and
hard-X-ray worthy (you could even fish stuff right off the lunar deck).

Excluding everything that's NASA/Apollo; what do you folks otherwise
know about LL-1 (rougly 60,000 km away from the moon) and of the
required energy for station-keeping demands within that gravity
nullification well and tidal interactive zone?

Since the likes of SOHO at Earth L1 hasn't used a sixth of what they'd
expected, and I'd expect ACE being that mush better yet, therefore how
much LL-1 station-keeping reaction fuel per metric tonne of craft per
month (per lunar cycle) or per 12 of those lunar cycles, are we talking
about?

Seems like a perfectly good spot to store those megatonnes of spare
rocket fuel, unless the extra IR and lethal forms of radiation off the
moon is too much to deal with.
-
Brad Guth

:Brad, I hate to ask an 'obvious' question, but what is LL-1? Is it
:Lagrange Lunar one? That would be of some significance, a gravity
:balanced Lagrange point not too far from the Moon.

:One good place for a space station would be an equilateral triangle to
:the sun with the 3rd vertice point 93 million miles behind the Earth.
:This 3rd Vertice point would be a very stable 'observation point' from
:which to watch the Earth. We could call that the 'tomcat 3rd vertice
oint', or 'T-3' for short.

:Every body would have a 'tomcat 3rd vertice point' relative to some
ther body. Maybe 'T-3' points will make me famous. Nothing like
:sinking into the background in a stealthed ship and watching using
owerful telescopes and passive radiation equipment.

:tomcat

I wonder what other GOOGLE/Usenet topics are being systematically
excluded and/or banished from Mailgate.org?
-
Brad Guth


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: "Brad Guth"
: LL-1 is in fact the gravity well or "Lagrange Lunar one" as being the
: nullification zone that's obviously an interactive environment that's
: situated at roughly upon average 60,000 km away from the moon, as in
: keeping within near direct alignment with mother Earth.

Except of course that it isn't a well. It's a hill.


Wayne Throop http://sheol.org/throopw

"Wayne Throop" wrote in message


: "Brad Guth"
: LL-1 is in fact the gravity well or "Lagrange Lunar one" as being the
: nullification zone that's obviously an interactive environment that's
: situated at roughly upon average 60,000 km away from the moon, as in
: keeping within near direct alignment with mother Earth.

Except of course that it isn't a well. It's a hill.

Wayne Throop http://sheol.org/throopw

Wayne Throop,
That's a very good point, and a better way of us common folks perceiving
this zone as a hill top, that which one has to carefully manage with
reaction thrust, and obviously applied at just the right time in order
to stay with such an interactive hill, as a gravity-hill that'll take
some station-keeping energy per tonne ofwhatever science platform that
might easily demand a kg of reaction per tonne per month, although with
better do-everything computers taking the multi-bodies and solar winds
into account, I believe it is conceivable as to eventually getting that
energy for reaction thrusting down to as little as 0.1 kg/tonne/month,
and obviously getting only better yet as tether elements are deployed
towards touching and eventually holding onto the moon and perhaps best
otherwise accomplished by the dipole tether element as eventually
reaching to within 4r of Earth, by which in of itself can be entirely
interactive on behald of sustaining the station-keeping demands of a
science platform in LL-1.

If using a sufficient cash of Radium under pressure for the unavoidable
decay of obtaining LRn--Rn--ion thrust could also become rather
onboard energy efficient and obviously good for offering an ISP of
providing a 1600 year half-life supply of reaction fuel.

Besides moon Radium, How much terrestrial Radium has mother Earth got to
spare?

You seem to have a for real email address and a rather nifty home page
that's chuck full of terrific stuff. Does this mean that you're a real
person, with an actual soul?
-
Brad Guth


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Wayne Throop wrote:
: "Brad Guth"
: LL-1 is in fact the gravity well or "Lagrange Lunar one" as being the
: nullification zone that's obviously an interactive environment that's
: situated at roughly upon average 60,000 km away from the moon, as in
: keeping within near direct alignment with mother Earth.

Except of course that it isn't a well. It's a hill.


Wayne Throop http://sheol.org/throopw




That LL-1 is a 'hill' is a good point. There is no perfect fit.
Therefore, you will gradually have a decaying 'perfect Lagrange' orbit,
which is a little less than perfect.

Better to make an isoceles triangle with the planetary body you wish to
a stable position with and simply swing along behind, or in front.


tomcat

Why are you intentionally going so far off topic with involving those
other Lagrange points?

Whatever happend to the "L-5 Society?

EMWTK

"John Gilmer" wrote in message



Whatever happend to the "L-5 Society?

EMWTK

John Gilmer,
I think someone from that group actually went there for a few minutes,
and soon thereafter died rather badly from the inside out, from having
their DNA irradiated to death, and/or merely impacted clean through and
through from damn near anything that so happened to be moving through
that naked L5 zone at 30+ km/s.
-
Brad Guth


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"tomcat" wrote in message
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That LL-1 is a 'hill' is a good point. There is no perfect fit.
Therefore, you will gradually have a decaying 'perfect Lagrange' orbit,
which is a little less than perfect.

Better to make an isoceles triangle with the planetary body you wish to
a stable position with and simply swing along behind, or in front.


tomcat,
You can't read, can you?

Why are you intentionally avoiding the intent of this topic, and
otherwise intentionally diverting this topic?

What brown-nosed MI/NSA~NASA cloak of damage-control instructions are
you following this time around?
-
Brad Guth


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John Gilmer wrote:

Why are you intentionally going so far off topic with involving those
other Lagrange points?



Whatever happend to the "L-5 Society?



They had a schism between the technologists and the political wing who
looked at the L points as the perfect place to build a utopia.
About the time that Timothy Leary arrived, things started to disintegrate.

Pat

i dun think so

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"Pat Flannery" wrote in message
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John Gilmer wrote:

Why are you intentionally going so far off topic with involving those
other Lagrange points?


Whatever happend to the "L-5 Society?


They had a schism between the technologists and the political wing who
looked at the L points as the perfect place to build a utopia.
About the time that Timothy Leary arrived, things started to disintegrate.


you mean they achieved an unstable quasi-equilibrium?
at LSD-5

ROFL

Pat